Law Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

[Gutter Chris]

Odd logic since I doubt the GOP is going to let abortion rights carry over state to state.

Ya know dude I wish they would do some horse trading and make it happen. You can carry your gun in all 50 states and in return you may also have an abortion in all 50 states seems reasonable to me.

Let's do the nfa next.

 

[DoctorTaco]

states rights.

 

[avenue94]

Where does it say you can bear arms only if they can be seen in the 2nd amendment.

The courts have allowed restrictions the same as other rights. The courts essentially the Supreme Court could in fact see it the way I stated anytime, who knows.

I'm saying that even under the most faux originalist logic a la the modern Supreme Court, the 2nd Amendment does not include CCW inherently, with the SC leaving large latitude for regulating the 2a, state by state. There is no implicit right to concealed carry anyway you read the 2nd Amendment. You will also find many concealed carry bans throughout early American history, and the court has also let shall issue regimes stand in most cases.

 

[avenue94]

Ya know dude I wish they would do some horse trading and make it happen. You can carry your gun in all 50 states and in return you may also have an abortion in all 50 states seems reasonable to me.

Let's do the nfa next.

It's a little more complicated given that most people who claim to support states rights on the issue of abortion do in fact oppose state rights when it goes against them. Not to mention abortion is semi-standardized by medical authorities. The 2A is not, which would present a lot of hurdles (say one state has a red flag law, but another doesn't, etc.)

 

[Blayt7hh]

Odd logic since I doubt the GOP is going to let abortion rights carry over state to state.

Yeah I don’t disagree with the bill but it’s predicated on exactly the thing that republicans are always citing as being against. Honestly I’m not surprised at all though. They double speak about everything these does and don’t stand on any principles

 

[oldshadow]

I'm saying that even under the most faux originalist logic a la the modern Supreme Court, the 2nd Amendment does not include CCW inherently, with the SC leaving large latitude for regulating the 2a, state by state. There is no implicit right to concealed carry anyway you read the 2nd Amendment. You will also find many concealed carry bans throughout early American history, and the court has also let shall issue regimes stand in most cases.

Yes and things change including rights and limits on those rights.

I'm ok with getting a permit for CC but I agree it should be honored by other states.

I could see the Supreme Court saying CC is protected by the " right to bear arms". Maybe it will get tested and found so when the fight over this goes into effec, if it gets through.

 

[Poon Goon]

I could see the Supreme Court saying CC is protected by the " right to bear arms". Maybe it will get tested and found so when the fight over this goes into effec, if it gets through.

If concealed carry was deemed a constitutional right then it would seem that carrying in courthouses and other government properties would be hard to ban. Don't see politicians on any side being for that.

 

[jefferz]

I took the part that applied to the conversation.

You know "well regulated" means well trained. I agree that the state and federal government have failed at this. Training with non live firearms should should be in schools. Then continue training should be offered for adults. Then ever adult should required to be part of the organized militia for 2 years. Without that even now we are all part of the un organized militia.

So, in your scenario, it would be the state and federal governments training these militias. Correct?

 

[oldshadow]

So, in your scenario, it would be the state and federal governments training these militias. Correct?

It should be the state with federal aid. The training would be free. The basics of Firearms safety and basics would be taught in schools. Basic safety in elementary schools.

Once 18 you should get a military style course. National guard but a state level with no sign requirements for continuing active service. Then free refreshing training.

This was the original idea behind the NRA. We could model it after that.

 

[Belaya Smert]

Criminals have always had constitutional carry. Act accordingly.

 

[cooks1]

Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act.​

This bill is being introduced and there is a good chance it may pass. Trump supporters it so if it gets to him he will sign it.

I like it and support it. The details in some things will still be something to keep track of. Like states that have magazine limits. You will have to get a permit even in states that constitution concealed carry if you travel. A very large number of states already have reciprocity carry but this would affect the anti 2nd states.

Rep. Richard Hudson Leads Colleagues in Introducing Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act​

"WASHINGTON, D.C. – After being sworn into the 119th Congress, U.S. Representative Richard Hudson (R-NC) led over 120 of his colleagues in introducing H.R. 38, the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act. This bipartisan legislation would provide nationwide reciprocity for concealed carry license holders and for residents of Constitutional Carry states"

Rep. Richard Hudson Leads Colleagues in Introducing Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

WASHINGTON, D.C. – After being sworn into the 119th Congress, U.S. Representative Richard Hudson (R-NC) led over 120 of his colleagues in introducing H.R. 38, the Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act.

hudson.house.gov

Bill tracker.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/38

I am fine with states setting up reciprocity arrangements if they like. But this Federal reciprocity act, if I'm understanding it correctly, seems to usurp state laws that those states have a right to make. I'm not sure that's something we want to make a habit of. All of a sudden all sorts of states might suddenly find things legal in their state that they would prefer not to be.

This is the kind of thing Interstate Compacts are ideal for.

I'm wondering if this reciprocity act was for something different than guns, might you feel it was federal overreach? There are some mighty young state age of consent laws out there. How would you feel about forced reciprocity on those kind of things?

 

[jefferz]

It should be the state with federal aid. The training would be free. The basics of Firearms safety and basics would be taught in schools. Basic safety in elementary schools.

Once 18 you should get a military style course. National guard but a state level with no sign requirements for continuing active service. Then free refreshing training.

This was the original idea behind the NRA. We could model it after that.

Hmmm. I wonder where the states will get their instructional material from. I'm willing to bet the training materials will come from the organizations that have 200+ years of experience in training people for combat. The Army, Marines, etc.

So the state will be training you with material from the federal government, that you'll use against the federal government.
The feds will never know what hit them.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

i can get down with that. everybody needs to have a rifle and an RPG tucked under their jackets when they go shopping for groceries. gotta protect themselves from any potential bad guys with rifles and RPG's tucked under their jackets when they are shopping for groceries. murrica fuck yeah!

 

[Islam Imamate]

"right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


So it kind of is but we can debate that.

The individual right to own a gun was legislated from the bench in 2008, if anything abortion rights have a deeper history in this country given it dates back to 1973

 

[avenue94]

The individual right to own a gun was legislated from the bench in 2008, if anything abortion rights gave a deeper history in this country given it dates back to 1973

Nope, the founders definitely wanted slaves and freed slaves to have a right to bear arms, yup yup lol

 

[oldshadow]

The individual right to own a gun was legislated from the bench in 2008, if anything abortion rights have a deeper history in this country given it dates back to 1973

What amendment states you have a right to an abortion?