<<Console Wars>> PS5 vs. XSX

[Dizzy]

Yeah, got a better deal than the $30 for Deluxe, it’s most definitely out there to be found. Much better, actually. Plus you aren’t beholden to the god awful Microsoft Store (lol).

Best part is, you aren’t reliant on a $10/month sub to be able to play it.

Really sad how badly M$ has to try to take advantage of their consumer base.

Choice is clear.

 

[Madmick]

Just not at Sony (or in this thread). You know, the company that is supposedly not taking advantage of its customers despite offering higher prices on inferior game versions.

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[empsim]

Only managed to get through 4 of 15 pages! I was hoping to read this thread and be a little clearer on which console to pick. I'm not on either side of the war. Am I able to use either console without going online, ie. can I still buy game discs and play that way? My last console was the original xbox and my daughters are interested in a console, mainly for minecraft and I really don't want them online. I'd also like to play the occasional adventure game/RPG like skyrim. So we aren't hardcore gamers so can't justify the $40 per month (local rates) for gamepass.

Honestly there isn't that much of a difference, especially if you don't want GamePass. Both are fine.

If you don't play that much and the stuff is so expensive in your region, why not Xbox Series S?

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Even that isn't apples-to-apples. Fallout 4 isn't downloadable on PSNow. It can only be streamed. So it isn't equal to Fallout 4 which can be played locally on Game Pass. The DLC isn't listed as a playable at all on PSNow.

Yeah, that rant has me scratching my head. The normal price for the "Bundle Edition" he mentioned on PSN is $80:
https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP1003-CUSA02557_00-FO4SEASONPASS000

• $30 = Standard
• $50 = Season Pass (standalone DLC)
• $60 = GOTY Edition
• $80 = Bundle Edition

Meanwhile, if you're on Game Pass, both the Bundle Edition & the GOTY edition sell for a normal price of $32, and that's a non-sale price:

• $20 Included = Standard (with Game Pass subscription)
• $35 $31.5 = Season Pass (with Game Pass subscriber discount)
• $40 $32 = GOTY Edition (with Game Pass subscriber discount)
• $40 $32 = Bundle Edition (with Game Pass subscriber discount)

Third Party Pricing

• $16 = Fallout 4 GOTY Edition via Amazon [Xbox One#]

# = The GOTY edition includes all six DLC packs, and purchasers receive a free upgrade to the Xbox Series X/S optimized version for free.

I never brought up PSNow.

Anyway, my point was that I was able to pick up the bundle for a sweet deal of like 75-80% off, and such sales are quite common on the PS Store. If the Xbox Marketplace has comparable sales then I’ll shut up, but I haven’t come across any since I got my Series X in late January and I’m suggesting maybe that’s the trade off from the savings of game pass.

 

[GergreG]

@Madmick @SaiWa

Thanks for all of that info I'll have a deeper dive of all the links when I get a chance.

Looking back at price I've totally got it wrong. It's $46 per month over 24 months but that includes the console. Consoles here are retailing for $750 so it's pretty good value, in hindsight. So about $15 per month for gamepass.

 

[Madmick]

I never brought up PSNow.

Anyway, my point was that I was able to pick up the bundle for a sweet deal of like 75-80% off, and such sales are quite common on the PS Store. If the Xbox Marketplace has comparable sales then I’ll shut up, but I haven’t come across any since I got my Series X in late January and I’m suggesting maybe that’s the trade off from the savings of game pass.

It isn't-- not in the USA, anyway.

I know you didn't bring up PSNow. I was responding to Schoolboy who mentioned PSNow as a more fair comparison to Game Pass by noting that you obviously obtained the game for your Playstation at a huge discount. However, he wasn't aware that Fallout 4 cannot be downloaded on PSNow, nor that the DLC is unavailable on PSNow, so I pointed out that it isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, because cloud streaming doesn't offer the same performance as local gaming, and the DLC content simply doesn't exist there.

Yes, it looks like you got it on a big sale, but as I pointed out, the sale price at which you bought the game doesn't even match the everyday normal price for the game with the discount available to Game Pass users. Furthermore, as I highlighted, a more obscure strategy some might not know is that you can buy the DLC without buying the base game. This is particularly resourceful for Microsoft first party studio titles since the games are permanent fixtures on the service.

Also, as I further detailed, all of the best third-party sales are still available on the platform. Fallout 4 GOTY Edition is $16 at both Amazon and Gamestop. If you wish to play this on Xbox I don't see the issue because even if you buy from a third party store, once you own it, that is registered in the cloud. There aren't the concerns with the store of ownership that exist with PC (assuming one has an affinity for Microsoft, or any other particular store). DOOM Eternal Deluxe Edition also went on sale for $30 seven months ago on Black Friday, and again a month after that on the Microsoft store.

This hidden tax doesn't exist.

 

[rikwebb]

The only times you'd need the Series X to be online is the initial setup (can't do it offline) and installs of games apart from Native Series X game discs , and of course system updates/patches of course.

Post by a Xbox Dev on installs:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so...red-at-threadmark.395149/page-2#post-60932641

Xbox dev here.

Some very precise clarifications when installing various types of content from discs
- OG Xbox/Xbox 360. Need to be online to install as the disc is just a key that allows you to download the game and emulator (same as on Xbox One).
- Xbox One games. Need to be online one-time during install to download specific config files (separate from actual game patches).
- Smart Delivery games. Depends on how much is actually on the disc; if the X|S version is on the disc, then can install offline, but if it is a stub only, then the Smart Delivery portion is delivered as an upgrade patch. This does a hybrid install using bits from the disc and bits from Xbox Live.


- Native X|S games. Can install offline.

-Oscar

Gamepass games need a connection also as they check periodically if your subs still up which is understandable.

As long as you set up the console as the "home console" in personalisation settings on the console you should be good for offline play after installs.

 

[HereticBD]

I never brought up PSNow.

Anyway, my point was that I was able to pick up the bundle for a sweet deal of like 75-80% off, and such sales are quite common on the PS Store. If the Xbox Marketplace has comparable sales then I’ll shut up

They do. That same bundle is on sale quite regularly on Xbox. It's usually when they have a big 100+ game theme sale(which they have almost monthly), and you'll see it up there for like $29.99. MS runs basic and XBLG sales every week. You just gotta keep checking in to see what games they're offering. That "Skyrim/F4" bundle is one that gets put up a lot. Same with "Dark Souls 3: Ultimate Edition", which is on sale like every other month for $25.

 

[Madmick]

PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S vs Switch Sales Comparison Charts Through July 3 - Sales

Long story short: the Nintendo Switch is slaughtering its opposition, and defying all previous models of projection for sales. Its sales are accelerating in its fourth year after launch. That's just not supposed to happen. That never happens. At the pace it is on, in fact, it could conceivably overtake the PS4 in total sales before 2023 arrives, and unless Nintendo releases a new console to disrupt its inertia, there is little doubt it will overtake the PS4 that year if it hasn't already before the year's arrival.

All hail Nintendo, I guess.

In the meantime, there is also a silver lining for Microsoft. I was curious if their overpowering showing at E3, in concert with Sony's absence, had produced any effect on sales. Globally, things haven't changed much, and for the past three months, during the summer downturn in overall sales, the PS5 has been closer to a 2:1 advantage than a 3:2 advantage. However, in the USA, within the Xbox's historic stronghold of North America, the Xbox Series X/S have actually overtaken the PS5 in total sales. I have seen nothing in the press to indicate this is driven by supply constraints. The holiday season will really tell the tale, but it appears that Microsoft's strategies are starting to produce inroads with the desired effect.
https://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_date.php?reg=USA&ending=Weekly

 

[Dizzy]

Trailing by 40% already. Yikes.

 

[method115]

In the meantime, there is also a silver lining for Microsoft. I was curious if their overpowering showing at E3, in concert with Sony's absence, had produced any effect on sales. Globally, things haven't changed much, and for the past three months, during the summer downturn in overall sales, the PS5 has been closer to a 2:1 advantage than a 3:2 advantage. However, in the USA, within the Xbox's historic stronghold of North America, the Xbox Series X/S have actually overtaken the PS5 in total sales. I have seen nothing in the press to indicate this is driven by supply constraints. The holiday season will really tell the tale, but it appears that Microsoft's strategies are starting to produce inroads with the desired effect.
https://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_date.php?reg=USA&ending=Weekly

Do you have the numbers for how much each has sold in the US so far? This just appears to be a graph of how much each console is selling weekly.

 

[Dizzy]

Do you have the numbers for how much each has sold in the US so far? This just appears to be a graph of how much each console is selling weekly.

Sony can actually sell beyond the US so in global shortage they’re going to be spread thinner. Hence the 4 million unit lead they’ve already established.

 

[Madmick]

Do you have the numbers for how much each has sold in the US so far? This just appears to be a graph of how much each console is selling weekly.

Yes, and it doesn't show the earliest period in the US. Sony has outsold the XSX/XSS in the USA, too, albeit by a thinner margin than globally-- by about 29%.

The point of looking at the weekly sales was to see if there was a change in more recent months, and there has been. Game Pass, the cornerstone of Microsoft's strategy, is being marketed most aggressively here in North America where they have done the best in the past. For the first time in any major market the XSX/XSS have overtaken the PS5 in sales.

That's the biggest headline at this otherwise relatively insignificant season during the annual cycle in terms of console sales.

 

[My Spot]

Trailing by 40% already. Yikes.

But backwards compatibility!

 

[Dizzy]

But backwards compatibility!

 

[Satur9]

Wonder how many stocks people have in these companies? Otherwise, intense arguing and shit talk, seems useless.

Finally saw the PS5 up close(handled it). Thing is monstrous. Pics don’t do it justice.

 

[method115]

Wonder how many stocks people have in these companies? Otherwise, intense arguing and shit talk, seems useless.

Finally saw the PS5 up close(handled it). Thing is monstrous. Pics don’t do it justice.

Its massive.

 

[Valhoven]

Its massive.

 

[Strychnine]

PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S vs Switch Sales Comparison Charts Through July 3 - Sales

Long story short: the Nintendo Switch is slaughtering its opposition, and defying all previous models of projection for sales. Its sales are accelerating in its fourth year after launch. That's just not supposed to happen. That never happens. At the pace it is on, in fact, it could conceivably overtake the PS4 in total sales before 2023 arrives, and unless Nintendo releases a new console to disrupt its inertia, there is little doubt it will overtake the PS4 that year if it hasn't already before the year's arrival.

All hail Nintendo, I guess.

In the meantime, there is also a silver lining for Microsoft. I was curious if their overpowering showing at E3, in concert with Sony's absence, had produced any effect on sales. Globally, things haven't changed much, and for the past three months, during the summer downturn in overall sales, the PS5 has been closer to a 2:1 advantage than a 3:2 advantage. However, in the USA, within the Xbox's historic stronghold of North America, the Xbox Series X/S have actually overtaken the PS5 in total sales. I have seen nothing in the press to indicate this is driven by supply constraints. The holiday season will really tell the tale, but it appears that Microsoft's strategies are starting to produce inroads with the desired effect.
https://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_date.php?reg=USA&ending=Weekly

Microsoft's Ace-In-The-Hole is Gamepass.

More and more people are cutting the cord as you can get any of your video via the internet. You have more and more people getting unlimited internet also. With Gamepass you don't even need an Xbox, just a Windows PC. Using it with an Xbox X/S is just gravy.

Gamepass IS the game-changer.

 

[Satur9]

Spent a little time with both, and small takeaway being that the PS5 UI and controller(despite the sticks being parallel which I don’t enjoy) is far better, all things considered. Took a minute or two, but the PS5 UI is pretty cool. Still getting the hang of it, and remembering how to work it, but it beats the pins and shit of the XB, though it isn’t horrible either. Just needs some tweaking. Quick resume is awesome though. Especially with all the games on gamepass I switch between. Didn’t think it would be such a boon to my gaming, but it really is.

Went back to playing with my Xbox One controller. The clicking is quite annoying, and too textured. AND the Dpad… just don’t like it. Don’t really care for some of the new haptic feedback stuff of the PS5, since I turn off vibration anyway, but I like the size. Prefer the XBO controller still, but that’s just preference. I can understand the love the PS5’s is getting though.

Game Pass is the ticket for me though. Don’t want to stream since internet isn’t the greatest, and GP has a ton of things I still play. If MS doesn’t really ramp things up though, the PS5 will probably get more of my time in about a year, when the games I really want to play drops.

I enjoy them both, and don’t regret purchasing them.