<<Console Wars>> PS5 vs. XSX

[Madmick]

Does Series X not have the sync feature that PS5 has for transferring all your files over from an older console to a new one? It took my like ten minutes to transfer like a dozen games from my PS4 to my ps5 using that feature but it doesn’t seem that Xbox works the same way? I have like 600gb of games on my One S I want to move over to my Series X but I don’t seem to see any way to do this other than redownload them all onto the new machine which will take hours.

https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help...ystem > Settings,consoles on the same network.

When Game Pass is as affordable as Playstation Plus (under $35 for a year's worth subscription every single year) you let us know too okay? lol

PS Plus is $60/yr.

 

[SaiWa]

PS Plus is $60/yr.

Yes but there are multiple opportunities throughout the year to buy a year's worth of PS Plus for less than $35 (PS Store, Amazon, etc...). I haven't payed for more than that in eons (at least 9 years I think). I missed one year once when I didn't realize it was up, had to pay full price and never made that mistake again. You can buy as many of these deals as you want and load it up on your account. I have a buffer of 2-3 years of subscription and I buy another deal every year whenever the deal comes up.

I have a 153 games on my PS Plus account (20-28 games that I purchased separately) that will never go away as long as I own my account and I can play download and play them any time. If I had been diligently claiming monthly games i'd be easily northward of 200 games.

153 games at my disposal and slowly adding up every month for less than $35 a year. Easily the best console subscription for the money out there.

No one should be paying $60/year for a PS Plus account if they do their due diligence. Hell you can buy PS Plus yearly sub for less than $35 right now online. No excuse at all.

 

[HereticBD]

Yes but there are multiple opportunities throughout the year to buy a year's worth of PS Plus for less than $35 (PS Store, Amazon, etc...). I haven't payed for more than that in eons (at least 9 years I think). I missed one year once when I didn't realize it was up, had to pay full price and never made that mistake again. You can buy as many of these deals as you want and load it up on your account. I have a buffer of 2-3 years of subscription and I buy another deal every year whenever the deal comes up.

I have a 153 games on my PS Plus account (20-28 games that I purchased separately) that will never go away as long as I own my account and I can play download and play them any time. If I had been diligently claiming monthly games i'd be easily northward of 200 games.

153 games at my disposal and slowly adding up every month for less than $35 a year. Easily the best console subscription for the money out there.

Game Pass gives you over a hundred games off the bat. There is no comparison. Game Pass is easily the best bang for your buck. It's not even remotely close. That's like arguing that Xbox Live Gold is better than Game Pass, which it most certainly is not.

 

[SaiWa]

Game Pass gives you over a hundred games off the bat. There is no comparison. Game Pass is easily the best bang for your buck. It's not even remotely close. That's like arguing that Xbox Live Gold is better than Game Pass, which it most certainly is not.

Agreed if you are talking about a gamer that's starting out and is getting into console gaming but for a seasoned gamer like me who's been gaming and has own a PS Plus account (or XBox Live account) for more than a decade there is no reason to switch to something like Gamepass.

I have a growing library of games that's only going to get larger and larger (assuming Sony ensures my games will work in later console versions and that is their plan). By the end of the PS5 lifecycle I'll probably own 300+ PS4/PS5 games which would be what GamePass will be rotating in and out of their overall library (assuming they don't increase it later on). You'll be paying extra year and year out while I'll be paying less than $35 every year. And my library will continue to grow while you'll have to settle for a rotating list of games capped at 300...

It is the same with Xbox Live Gold. It is better than Game Pass if a gamer has owned an account for more than a decade and has accumulated a large library of games. Why pay extra when you already have this large library of games and pick and choose the games you really want?

It also depends on the type of gamer you are. As I've stated I've bought about 20-28 games since I got my PS4 (launch). That's an average of 3-4 games a year (and half of those are indie games or games I waited till there was a deal). I also game on Switch and PC so I simply do not need a more expensive subscription since a console doesn't keep my attention year in and year out. Hell I've had a year or two where I didn't even touch my PS4 aside from logging in and maybe claiming the monthly games. When Diablo IV releases for PC you won't see me on PS for at least 6 months if not more than a year. So I'll happily pay my $35 yearly PS+ subscription instead of a Gamepass I won't be using at all during that time.

 

[Madmick]

Yes but there are multiple opportunities throughout the year to buy a year's worth of PS Plus for less than $35 (PS Store, Amazon, etc...). I haven't payed for more than that in eons (at least 9 years I think). I missed one year once when I didn't realize it was up, had to pay full price and never made that mistake again. You can buy as many of these deals as you want and load it up on your account. I have a buffer of 2-3 years of subscription and I buy another deal every year whenever the deal comes up.

I have a 153 games on my PS Plus account (20-28 games that I purchased separately) that will never go away as long as I own my account and I can play download and play them any time. If I had been diligently claiming monthly games i'd be easily northward of 200 games.

153 games at my disposal and slowly adding up every month for less than $35 a year. Easily the best console subscription for the money out there.

No one should be paying $60/year for a PS Plus account if they do their due diligence. Hell you can buy PS Plus yearly sub for less than $35 right now online. No excuse at all.

$60/yr is the rate. No, there are not frequent sub-$35 sales for a 12-month PS Plus subscription card through officially licensed retailers like Amazon. In fact, there was only a single example of a sub-$35 sale for a 12-month PSN card in history on Amazon (for $25 on November 18, 2019). This goes back a decade. If we talk special authorized deals or grey market reduced rates you can say the same for Microsoft subscriptions (Xbox Live Gold or Game Pass). One could reasonably cite the $1 exploit to upconvert 3 years of Game Pass Ultimate. This wasn't an opportunity that lasted for a day in 2019. It endured for months-- maybe over a year, I'd have to check.

Game Pass Ultimate is easily the best value in gaming subscriptions on the market-- by miles.

Sony offers no means of easily obtaining PS Plus subscriptions (or software, games, hardware, and other swag on their store) for free. Microsoft does. It's really that simple.

 

[SaiWa]

$60/yr is the rate. No, there are not frequent sub-$35 sales for a 12-month PS Plus subscription card through officially licensed retailers like Amazon. In fact, there was only a single example of a sub-$35 sale for a 12-month PSN card in history on Amazon (for $25 on November 18, 2019). This goes back a decade. If we talk special authorized deals or grey market reduced rates you can say the same for Microsoft subscriptions (Xbox Live Gold or Game Pass). One could reasonably cite the $1 exploit to upconvert 3 years of Game Pass Ultimate. This wasn't an opportunity that lasted for a day in 2019. It endured for months-- maybe over a year, I'd have to check.

Game Pass Ultimate is easily the best value in gaming subscriptions on the market-- by miles.

Sony offers no means of easily obtaining PS Plus subscriptions (or software, games, hardware, and other swag on their store) for free. Microsoft does. It's really that simple.

Ah minor error.

Yes the frequent sales for PS Plus from licensed retailers were around $39.99 to $45 depending on the retailer. My mistake as I've been buying them from CD key and other retailers these last few years so the cost was much lower ranging from $29.99-$35. An incredible deal when all is said and done.

It doesn't change the fact that it's a much better deal for veteran gamers such as myself who already own 150+ games on their PS account. It's the same for anyone who owns an Xbox Live Gold account (assuming they get a good yearly deal like I do) as well. Those deals are there every year and are hard to miss if one is even remotely reading about gaming news.

In the long run my PS+ game library will be much larger than what Gamepass is currently offering and I'll be paying a lot less as well - with the added bonus of keeping what I claimed - gampass will rotate any given game out regardless of whether you want it or not. This is why PS Plus is easily the best value for gaming subscription compared to GamePass. It's actually not even close in my opinion.

 

[Madmick]

It doesn't change the fact that it's a much better deal for veteran gamers such as myself who already own 150+ games on their PS account. It's the same for anyone who owns an Xbox Live Gold account (assuming they get a good yearly deal like I do) as well. Those deals are there every year and are hard to miss if one is even remotely reading about gaming news.

In the long run my PS+ game library will be much larger than what Gamepass is currently offering and I'll be paying a lot less as well - with the added bonus of keeping what I claimed - gampass will rotate any given game out regardless of whether you want it or not. This is why PS Plus is easily the best value for gaming subscription compared to GamePass. It's actually not even close in my opinion.

PS Plus isn't the only service that gives away games for free. Xbox Live (and Game Pass Ultimate) include the Free Games with Gold giveaways. The XSX and XSS can actually play games that were given away on the Xbox 360 platform, too, due to superior backwards compatibility.

Ah minor error.

Yes the frequent sales for PS Plus from licensed retailers were around $39.99 to $45 depending on the retailer. My mistake as I've been buying them from CD key and other retailers these last few years so the cost was much lower ranging from $29.99-$35. An incredible deal when all is said and done.

Concession accepted.

 

[SaiWa]

PS Plus isn't the only service that gives away games for free. Xbox Live (and Game Pass Ultimate) include the Free Games with Gold giveaways. The XSX and XSS can actually play games that were given away on the Xbox 360 platform, too, due to superior backwards compatibility.

Hence why I mentioned that anyone with an old Xbox Live account with tons of games is preferable to switching to Game Pass because you already have a large library of games. Why switch to Game Pass and pay that much extra?

Any seasoned PS4/Xbox One gamer with either PS Plus of Xbox Live Gold account should have around 100-200+ games in their account.

Why pay $180 a year when I can pay the yearly $32-45 (PS+ discount) or $50 (XBox Live Gold best discount I saw for online) and slowly accumulate my library?

Assuming a 7 year console life for next gen:

Game Pass Ultimate: $2160
Saiwa pays for 7 years of PS+: $224-315
Xbox Gold players: $350

Let's pretend I do buy 28 games over the next 7 years at the full price $70 (which I do not do for half of them but whatever). Let's also pretend I get Gamepass Ultimate and end up buying half of those games (because Gamepass will not include them - Resident Evil Village for example).

Saiwa pays for 7 years of PS+ and 28 games at full price: $2184-2275.
Saiwa pays Ultimate GamePass + 14 games at full price: $3140.

Total # of games on PS+ 7 years from now: 153 + (3 x 12 x 7) = 405 (around)
Total # of games on Ultimate GamePass: 300 + Gold games = 348-500+

This is a rough estimate (and I was overly generous with how much many games I pay full price) but anyone looking at the numbers will tell you that anybody who has a seasoned console subscription with lots of gamse should keep it instead of switching to GamePass. Our gaming library will keep on building for a lot cheaper.

Concession accepted.

It's an honest mistake and we all make it. Didn't you make one recently with how much WOW cost per month? Same shit. I shall accept that concession for the others then. lol

 

[HereticBD]

Hence why I mentioned that anyone with an old Xbox Live account with tons of games is preferable to switching to Game Pass because you already have a large library of games. Why switch to Game Pass and pay that much extra?

Dude, what? You pay a little extra for a an upgrade to GPU, and keep all the games on XBL. It would not be preferable to anyone to keep XBL over GPU. You would have two huge libraries for a small increase.

Any seasoned PS4/Xbox One gamer with either PS Plus of Xbox Live Gold account should have around 100-200+ games in their account.

Not if 80% of the free games are shit or just not personally interesting, which they are. Who downloads and plays every single game offered? It's not like they're offering quality games every single month.

This is a rough estimate (and I was overly generous with how much many games I pay full price) but anyone looking at the numbers will tell you that anybody who has a seasoned console subscription with lots of gamse should keep it instead of switching to GamePass.

I'm a day one XBL subscriber. You are wrong.

 

[SaiWa]

Dude, what? You pay a little extra for a an upgrade to GPU, and keep all the games on XBL. It would not be preferable to anyone to keep XBL over GPU. You would have two huge libraries for a small increase.

Not if 80% of the free games are shit or just not personally interesting, which they are. Who downloads and plays every single game offered? It's not like they're offering quality games every single month.

I'm a day one XBL subscriber. You are wrong.

A little extra to upgrade to GPU? If you are referring to the introduction price to convert you then yeah... sweet.. eventually you will be paying $15/month. Going from what you'd have been paying for Xbox Live Gold to what you will be paying for GPU is not a little extra. In the long run you will be paying a lot more for a rotating list of games that you will be partially already owning (through XBG) instead of paying a measly $50 a year (if you look for deals).

Sorry I thought XBox Gold subscribers were getting decent free quality games. Apparently not. Sucks to be XBox players then. No wonder you have to pay extra for GPU.

I got no complaints over here as a PS+ owner. Hell I just got an extra 10+ games I didn't own that I might have bought on a discount through that PS Plus Collection for simply buying a PS5. We just got Maneater this past month (a game I was musing about getting but decided against because i simply didn't have time for it). Next month we're getting a brand new PS5 game Destruction AllStars. All for the low low price of $32 a year...

 

[HereticBD]

A little extra to upgrade to GPU? If you are referring to the introduction price to convert you then yeah... sweet.. eventually you will be paying $15/month. Going from what you'd have been paying for Xbox Live Gold to what you will be paying for GPU is not a little extra.

LOL, it's like a whole $5 a month extra at worst.

Sorry I thought XBox Gold subscribers were getting decent free quality games. Apparently not. Sucks to be XBox players then. No wonder you have to pay extra for GPU.

And there it is. That is the whole basis for your ridiculous complaints. You're a fanboy. I get the console war thing when discussing certain exclusives and whatnot, but it's absolutely silly to carry that over to what is undeniably the best gaming service on the market. It's like you feel threatened or something, and it's so dumb. It's just video games. Game Pass is far and away the best service out there and you won't find many disputing that. No, your years long library built up through PS+ does not compare to the immediate access to over 100 games(some brand new) that Game Pass offers. It's not up for debate. If it came to Playstation tomorrow, you'd sign up for up for it in a heartbeat. You'd be dumb not to.

Let's look up the "amazing" games for PS+ this month:

"Shadow of the Tomb Raider" - Old mediocre game that was already on GP
"Greedfall" - Indie game. Cult hit. Currently on GP
"Maneater" - Some shitty indie game nobody cares about

That's essentially a similar lineup you get on XBL. I've had PS+. It's not special. It's the equivalent to XBL. Game Pass is far superior to both.

 

[SaiWa]

LOL, it's like a whole $5 a month extra at worst.



And there it is. That is the whole basis for your ridiculous complaints. You're a fanboy. I get the console war thing when discussing certain exclusives and whatnot, but it's absolutely silly to carry that over to what is undeniably the best gaming service on the market. It's like you feel threatened or something, and it's so dumb. It's just video games. Game Pass is far and away the best service out there and you won't find many disputing that. No, your years long library built up through PS+ does not compare to the immediate access to over 100 games(some brand new) that Game Pass offers. It's not up for debate. If it came to Playstation tomorrow, you'd sign up for up for it in a heartbeat. You'd be dumb not to.

Let's look up the "amazing" games for PS+ this month:

"Shadow of the Tomb Raider" - Old mediocre game that was already on GP
"Greedfall" - Indie game. Cult hit. Currently on GP
"Maneater" - Some shitty indie game nobody cares about

That's essentially a similar lineup you get on XBL. I've had PS+. It's not special. It's the equivalent to XBL. Game Pass is far superior to both.

You can get a yearly Xbox Gold account for $50 a year roughly when actively looking for deals. That's about $4.16 a month compared to $15 a month (total 180) that means you are paying more than $10 a month. Granted I don't know what deals you may end up getting on GPU but it's not a little extra. Unless you are so lazy you can't bother yourself to actively look for discounts and choose to pay full price then yeah you're talking $80 a year which still comes out to an extra $100 ($8.33 a month). Go ahead and pay that "little" extra for a little more games. All this tells me that Xbox Live Gold is comparatively more expensive than PS+.


and LOL you're the one that tells me 80% of your free games are trash. I am quite happy with my free PS+ games for $32/year. If I was paying full price $80 retail for XBG like you were then yeah I might be quite upset and pay more for the better games. The problem I see is that you were overpaying for a subscription whereas I was paying the bare minimum to enjoy the same benefits.

In the end I'll be paying less and playing better quality games because i get to pick and choose the games I buy on PS. It makes a lot of sense considering I play in other platforms as well (Switch and PC). It's great to have choices instead of being stuck to one.

 

[HereticBD]

You can get a yearly Xbox Gold account for $50 a year roughly when actively looking for deals. That's about $4.16 a month compared to $15 a month (total 180) that means you are paying more than $10 a month. Granted I don't know what deals you may end up getting on GPU but it's not a little extra. Unless you are so lazy you can't bother yourself to actively look for discounts and choose to pay full price then yeah you're talking $80 a year which still comes out to an extra $100 ($8.33 a month). Go ahead and pay that "little" extra for a little more games. All this tells me that Xbox Live Gold is comparatively more expensive than PS+.

GPU pays for itself. So much so that I get to mess around with games like "DOOM: Eternal" for a larf.

and LOL you're the one that tells me 80% of your free games are trash.

You're the one pretending to be hyped for "Maneater".

In the end I'll be paying less and playing better quality games because i get to pick and choose the games I buy on PS.

Huh?

 

[SaiWa]

GPU pays for itself. So much so that I get to mess around with games like "DOOM: Eternal" for a larf.

You're the one pretending to be hyped for "Maneater".

Huh?

For some it is and for others it isn't. Again I have a tons of games I haven't played (200+ great games) on Steam and a slew of other games on PS4/5 I haven't even started yet (RDR2, Persona 5, Days Gone, Detroit: Become Human, Fallout 4, The Last Guardian, etc..). I haven't even touched Spider Man (both of them) and dropped Demon Souls because I got sucked back into Destiny 2 on PC. The lack of playing time and a general need to play with my gaming buddies at times limits my options.

What's the point of having 300+ games at a higher monthly price when I won't be playing most of them? For some big name games such as RE Village you still have to pay if you want to play at launch and as I've stated I'll completely be MIA when Zelda or Diablo IV comes out. Paying $32/year makes all the sense because of my gaming habits and hence the superior option by a long fucking mile.

LOL. Me musing about buying a game is being hyped?.. I wasn't even remotely hyped for the game at all. But I was surprised that it was already free on PS+ considering it was released not too long ago (May 2020).

 

[Dizzy]

You can talk about the merit of Game Pass all you want (great value but as with Netflix, you don’t end up using a fraction of it) but Game with Gold has been absolute dogshit lol.

PS+ usually has a decent to good offerings.

 

[HereticBD]

For some it is and for others it isn't. Again I have a tons of games I haven't played (200+ great games) on Steam and a slew of other games on PS4/5 I haven't even started yet (RDR2, Persona 5, Days Gone, Detroit: Become Human, Fallout 4, The Last Guardian, etc..). I haven't even touched Spider Man (both of them) and dropped Demon Souls because I got sucked back into Destiny 2 on PC. The lack of playing time and a general need to play with my gaming buddies at times limits my options.

And that's fine. None of that takes away from the fact the GP is far and away the best gaming service out there, though.

For some big name games such as RE Village you still have to pay if you want to play at launch

And? If you want to play ALL PS+ games at launch, you have to pay for that too. GP on the other hand does actually have Day 1 exclusives on launch, which is only gonna get better once the Zenimax deal really starts kicking in.

LOL. Me musing about buying a game is being hyped?.. I wasn't even remotely hyped for the game at all. But I was surprised that it was already free on PS+ considering it was released not too long ago (May 2020).

My point was that it's a shitty indie game. One of a billion forgettable pieces of shit they give away on PS+/XBL regularly. Your point was that PS+ has so many amazing games, when the reality is that 80% of them are shit like "Maneater". It's on PS+ so early, because it's garbage.

 

[Madmick]

Okay, @SaiWa, you incorrigible fanboy, time for you to taste the back of my hand.

Hence why I mentioned that anyone with an old Xbox Live account with tons of games is preferable to switching to Game Pass because you already have a large library of games. Why switch to Game Pass and pay that much extra?

Any seasoned PS4/Xbox One gamer with either PS Plus of Xbox Live Gold account should have around 100-200+ games in their account.

Why pay $180 a year when I can pay the yearly $32-45 (PS+ discount) or $50 (XBox Live Gold best discount I saw for online) and slowly accumulate my library?

Assuming a 7 year console life for next gen:

Game Pass Ultimate: $2160
Saiwa pays for 7 years of PS+: $224-315
Xbox Gold players: $350

We'll start with arithmetic since I can see you're not too bright.

Even at a retail $15/mo...
7 years x 12 months = 84 months x $15/mo = $1260

Let's pretend I do buy 28 games over the next 7 years at the full price $70 (which I do not do for half of them but whatever). Let's also pretend I get Gamepass Ultimate and end up buying half of those games (because Gamepass will not include them - Resident Evil Village for example).

Saiwa pays for 7 years of PS+ and 28 games at full price: $2184-2275.
Saiwa pays Ultimate GamePass + 14 games at full price: $3140.

Total # of games on PS+ 7 years from now: 153 + (3 x 12 x 7) = 405 (around)
Total # of games on Ultimate GamePass: 300 + Gold games = 348-500+

This is a rough estimate (and I was overly generous with how much many games I pay full price) but anyone looking at the numbers will tell you that anybody who has a seasoned console subscription with lots of gamse should keep it instead of switching to GamePass. Our gaming library will keep on building for a lot cheaper.

LMAO, you did it again.

3 freebies per month x 12 months x 7 years = 252 games + 28 (you purchased) = 280 + "50-100 games any seasoned gamer would own" = 380 games, max.

How in the fuck did that become 405...mmmhmmm?

Because you wanted to introduce an assumed number of games for a "seasoned" gamer, and you couldn't even keep that honest. No, how about we compare services, not purchase histories. That makes more sense since you're...comparing services.

It's an honest mistake and we all make it. Didn't you make one recently with how much WOW cost per month? Same shit. I shall accept that concession for the others then. lol

LMAO, "Why pay $180/yr for Game Pass Ultimate" asks the guy who just bragged about buying his PS Plus on the gray key market. Funny how the gray key market doesn't exist suddenly when you're pretending to own an Xbox. You could have gotten 3 years of Game Pass Ultimate for ~$100 using that gray key market in conjunction with the upconversion promotion back on the November 18, 2019 date you wanted to talk about. Xbox Live Gold (and Game Pass plan) prices have shot through the roof even on the gray market. Know why PS Plus prices haven't? Because that service is a heaping pile of shit compared to Game Pass.

Of course you aren't aware of a currently running EA Play conversion strategy that nets Game Pass Ultimate at $6/mo for new members considering jumping aboard. You can stack up to three years at that rate. This isn't a gray key that might get canceled, either. It's legit.

Your misrepresentation of PS Plus prices wasn't an honest mistake. It was fanboy bullshit, and you got caught slinging it. (1) You're still doing it by counting "300 games" for Game Pass when you can see damn well at their website it's 357 Xbox games, currently. (2) You're doing it with your autistic arithmetic which doubles the price of retail Game Pass or the total number of PS Plus giveaways. (3) You're doing it by quoting retail prices for Game Pass, but not for PS Plus.


A more honest price comparison: gray key prices & readily available conversion "exploits" available if buying today

• 3 years Playstation Plus, Saiwa = $96 ($2.67/mo)
• 3 years Game Pass Ultimate, new members = $216 ($6.00/mo)
• 3 years Game Pass Ultimate, existing members = $363 ($10.08/mo)
• 3 years Game Pass Ultimate, Madmick = Free ($free/mo)

PS Plus supplied $7,983 MSRP of titles from 2014-2020. Xbox Live Gold supplied $6,572 MSRP of titles during this time.

The first Microsoft advantage is XSX users on Xbox Live Gold (or Game Pass Ultimate today) can play nearly every title constituting this giveaway value because it included Xbox 360 titles while PS5 owners on PS Plus can't play PS3 giveaway titles due to a lack of backwards compatibility. Ergo, looking backward, the total MSRP value is almost certainly greater for Xbox Users. Moreover, there is no compelling advantage to "owning" games with PS Plus because PS Plus users must maintain a subscription in order to play their titles-- same as Game Pass. In fact, all 360 games given away via Games with Gold are Xbox owners to keep even if they stop subscribing. So Microsoft has a head start.

Moving forward, PS Plus offers nothing but those 3 monthly giveaways (2 x PS4 + 1 x PS5 title), which you don't choose, and the 20 PS Plus Collection games (all PS4 titles). That's a joke compared to Game Pass Ultimate.

Meanwhile, Game Pass Ultimate, which subsumes Xbox Live Gold, offers 4 titles for Free via Games with Gold each month (2 x XSX optimized or Xbox One + 2 x Xbox backwards compatible library). That means there will be +84 total freebie games to play after 7 years.

With Game Pass Ultimate, you have access to 357 Xbox titles today, and 505 titles if you count your PC privileges. These titles are rotating. The biggest and most popular titles remain, but they rotate the rest after they've been on the service around a year. In fact, since the service launched in June 2017, 766 total Xbox titles have appeared on the service. So the total library accessible to a brand new Game Pass user subscribing today after 7 years will be vastly greater than the pitiful 405-game projection for Saiwa after 7 years. In fact, if we offer a projection using this timeline sample, we would project 1,170 titles Game Pass over that 7 years.

More importantly, on Game Pass, you can download and play whichever titles you please at any time throughout the cycle. Meanwhile, Saiwa on his 7-year plan is limited to a choice of 3 games this month, 6 games next month, 9 games in his third month, and so on. Go ahead, add the 20 PS Plus collection games. Doesn't change that your choice throughout the early years is utterly pitiful.

Furthermore, PS Plus almost always gives away old games. They're typically 18+ months old, and often older. Additionally, they're more often indies or throwaways that aren't in demand. Meanwhile, every Microsoft-published title is a Day 1 release on Game Pass. These are all their biggest franchise games. It also includes all the games on EA Play (which is itself either $5/mo or $30/yr a la carte). These include their biggest games like Star Wars: Fallen Order, Star Wars: Battlefront 2, Battlefield V, Anthem, FIFA 20, Madden NFL 20, Need for Speed: Heat, The Sims 4, Command & Conquer Remastered, etc.

On top of this, with Game Pass, you'll never pay full price for a game you want. That's because you get a 20% discount in the Xbox store for any Game Pass games if you want to own them forever.

Additionally, Game Pass includes Project xCloud by default. So you can actually access and play your Xbox library on a phone or tablet on the go wherever you take them. Finally, if you also game on PC, many Game Pass games are synced between both platforms. You can step away from the keyboard, and pick up the controller to play right where you left off. No such interoperability exists between the Playstation and PC. Some Game Pass games even offer multiplayer cross-platform play if your friends are not on the same platform as you.

So let's add that up for your hypothetical 7-year window:

• PS Plus = 272 games, mostly less popular giveaways, selection choice starts at 23 games and builds at 3 games per month from there
• Game Pass = 1,506 games, mostly AAA, latest and greatest games, selection choice never less than 361 games (if counting only Xbox games; greater if PC titles also counted)

Sony fanboy: "I got the better deal because my gaming service is slightly cheaper on the gray market"
Microsoft master racer:

Spoiler

 

[SaiWa]

And that's fine. None of that takes away from the fact the GP is far and away the best gaming service out there, though.

And? If you want to play ALL PS+ games at launch, you have to pay for that too. GP on the other hand does actually have Day 1 exclusives on launch, which is only gonna get better once the Zenimax deal really starts kicking in.

My point was that it's a shitty indie game. One of a billion forgettable pieces of shit they give away on PS+/XBL regularly. Your point was that PS+ has so many amazing games, when the reality is that 80% of them are shit like "Maneater". It's on PS+ so early, because it's garbage.

That is your opinion. It isn't mine. I have 153 games at my disposal for $32/year. You're paying $180/year for another 150 or so. And that gap will shrink as I accumulate games (because the games you would have gotten on XBG are the most likely the same games on GP/GPU.

When did I say PS+ has so many amazing games? 80% are garbage? Maybe to you they are garbage but to me I am getting a sweet ass deal for $32/year. And are all 300 games on GP all top notches games? I don't think so. Hell when was the last time Xbox exclusive game was nominated for Game of the Year? Last one was probably the original Gears of War...

In 2020 PS+ owners got:
Uncharted: Nathan Drake Collection (already owned)
Goat Simulator (ashamed to say I am interested in this game)
Bioshock: The collection
The Sims 4
Shadow of Collossus
Unchartered 4: A Thief's End (already owned)
Call of Duty: WW II
NBA 2K20
Rise of Tomb Raider (already owned on PC)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Remastered
Fall Guys: Ultimate Knockdown
PlayersUnknown's Battleground
Street Fighter V (already owned)
Need for Speed: Payback
Vampyr
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War
Hollow Knight: Voidheart Edition (already owned on Switch)
Bugsnax
Just Cause4

These games are the ones I cared enough to list and may play that came with PS+ in 2020. Dirt Rally 2.0 is also on this list but I don't care much for racing games usually unless it's Mario Kart. Out of the 28 PS4 games I got in 2020, I see 20 solid to great games (3 that I had already bought on PS, 2 more on other platforms). That's damn near 70% of games that I had been interested at one point/played (the 5 games already owned) that I would go back and download and play if I ever found the time or desire.

And Maneater may be a shitty indie game by your standards but it's free for me and another game I would have never bought but now will get the chance to try out. It was interesting enough to get a thread in this forums.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/maneater-05-22-2020.4108982/#post-160293186

Based on fellow posters it might be fun enough depending on the person. Already downloaded it on my PS5 and will give it a shot - purely based on the strength of the posters who commented in the thread.

As for the Day 1 exclusive, PS+ is getting one next month - Destruction All Stars. An anomaly yes but we are getting one soon.

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Again you are paying $180 a year whereas I am paying a measly $32.

 

[SaiWa]

Okay, @SaiWa, you incorrigible fanboy, time for you to taste the back of my hand.

We'll start with arithmetic since I can see you're not too bright.

Even at a retail $15/mo...
7 years x 12 months = 84 months x $15/mo = $1260

LMAO, you did it again.

3 freebies per month x 12 months x 7 years = 252 games + 28 (you purchased) = 280 + "50-100 games any seasoned gamer would own" = 380 games, max.

How in the fuck did that become 405...mmmhmmm?

Because you wanted to introduce an assumed number of games for a "seasoned" gamer, and you couldn't even keep that honest. No, how about we compare services, not purchase histories. That makes more sense since you're...comparing services.

LMAO, "Why pay $180/yr for Game Pass Ultimate" asks the guy who just bragged about buying his PS Plus on the gray key market. Funny how the gray key market doesn't exist suddenly when you're pretending to own an Xbox. You could have gotten 3 years of Game Pass Ultimate for ~$100 using that gray key market in conjunction with the upconversion promotion back on the November 18, 2019 date you wanted to talk about. Xbox Live Gold (and Game Pass plan) prices have shot through the roof even on the gray market. Know why PS Plus prices haven't? Because that service is a heaping pile of shit compared to Game Pass.

Of course you aren't aware of a currently running EA Play conversion strategy that nets Game Pass Ultimate at $6/mo for new members considering jumping aboard. You can stack up to three years at that rate. This isn't a gray key that might get canceled, either, if you opt for the $30/yr rate. It's legit.

Your misrepresentation of PS Plus prices wasn't an honest mistake. It was fanboy bullshit, and you got caught slinging it. You're still doing it by counting "300 games" for Game Pass when you can see damn well at their website it's 357 Xbox games, currently. You're doing it with your autistic arithmetic which doubles the price of retail Game Pass or the total number of PS Plus giveaways. You're doing it by quoting retail prices for Game Pass, but not for PS Plus.


A more honest price comparison: gray key prices & readily available conversion "exploits" available if buying today

• 3 years Playstation Plus, Saiwa = $96 ($2.67/mo)
• 3 years Game Pass Ultimate, new members = $216 ($6.00/mo)
• 3 years Game Pass Ultimate, existing members = $363 ($10.08/mo)
• 3 years Game Pass Ultimate, Madmick = Free ($free/mo)

PS Plus supplied $7,983 MSRP of titles from 2014-2020. Xbox Live Gold supplied $6,572 MSRP of titles during this time. The first Microsoft advantage is XSX users on Xbox Live Gold (or Game Pass Ultimate today) can play every (or nearly every) title constituting this giveaway value because it included Xbox 360 titles while PS5 owners on PS Plus can't play PS3 giveaway titles due to a lack of backwards compatibility. Ergo, looking backward, the total MSRP value is almost certainly greater for Xbox Users. Moreover, the key difference with these giveaways is that PS Plus users must maintain a subscription in order to play their titles. They don't truly own them. Meanwhile, Microsoft users keep their giveaways regardless of whether they continue a subscription. So Microsoft already has a clear head start.

Moving forward, PS Plus offers nothing but those 3 monthly giveaways (2 x PS4 + 1 x PS5 title), which you don't choose, and the 20 PS Plus Collection games (all PS4 titles). That's a joke compared to Game Pass Ultimate.

Meanwhile, Game Pass Ultimate, which subsumes Xbox Live Gold, offers 4 titles Free Games with Gold each month (2 x XSX optimized or Xbox One + 2 x Xbox backwards compatible library). All you have to do is claim them and you own them forever. That means there will be +84 total freebie games to play after 7 years.

With Game Pass Ultimate, you have access to 357 Xbox titles today, and 505 titles if you count your PC privileges. These titles are rotating. The biggest and most popular titles remain, but they rotate the rest after they've been on the service around a year. In fact, since the service launched in June 2017, 766 total Xbox titles have appeared on the service. So the total library accessible to a brand new Game Pass user subscribing today after 7 years will be vastly greater than the pitiful 405-game projection for Saiwa after 7 years. In fact, if we offer a projection using this timeline sample, we would project 1,170 titles over that 7 years.

More importantly, on Game Pass, you can download and play whichever titles you please at any time throughout the cycle. Meanwhile, Saiwa on his 7-year plan is limited to a choice of 3 games this month, 6 games next month, 9 games in his third month, and so on. Go ahead, add the 20 PS Plus collection games. Doesn't change that your choice throughout the early years is utterly pitiful.

Furthermore, PS Plus almost always gives away old games. They're almost always 18+ months old, and often older. Additionally, they're more often indies or throwaways that aren't in demand. Meanwhile, every Microsoft-published title is a Day 1 release on Game Pass. These are all their biggest franchise games. Meanwhile, it also includes all the games on EA Play (which is itself either $5/mo or $30/yr a la carte). These include their biggest games like Star Wars: Fallen Order, Star Wars: Battlefront 2, Battlefield V, Anthem, FIFA 20, Madden NFL 20, Need for Speed: Heat, The Sims 4, Command & Conquer Remastered, etc.

On top of this, with Game Pass, you'll never pay full price for a game you want. That's because you get a 20% discount in the Xbox store for any Game Pass games if you want to own them forever.

Additionally, Game Pass includes Project xCloud by default. So you can actually access and play your Xbox library on a phone or tablet on the go wherever you take them. Finally, if you also game on PC, many Game Pass games are synced between both platforms. You can step away from the keyboard, and pick up the controller to play right where you left off. No such interoperability exists between the Playstation and PC. Some games even offer multiplayer cross-platform play if your friends are not on the same platform as you.

So let's add that up for your hypothetical 7-year window:

• PS Plus = 272 games, mostly less popular giveaways, selection choice starts at 23 games and builds at 3 games per month from there
• Game Pass = 1,506 games, mostly AAA, latest and greatest games, selection choice never less than 361 games (counting only Xbox)

Sony fanboy: "I got the better deal because my gaming service is slightly cheaper on the gray market"
Microsoft master racer:

Spoiler

It's a clerical error as I flipped the 2 and 1 when I calculated for the 7 year GPU. I shall correct it.

Yes the gray market does exist for any console and I was not aware of it. But now that you've found one that I shall recalculate yes?

Your exploit is only good for 3 years of EA account transfer (1 EA year = 4 months) which equals to only one year of GPU. Hell I even found a gray market for the EA Play so it totaled to $50 for all 3 EA year subscription. This EA deal doesn't apply to existing GP members apparently. I'll ignore your 2019 deal conversion since it's not available anymore.​

7 year of PS+ = 32*7 = $224
7 years of GPU (first year at EA transfer discount for new accounts only) = 50 + 6 (180) = $1130 (or $1086 once you include the first 3 months discount for $1)

So let me clean this up for you since you didn't read the finer prints of your own exploits. First 3 months for $1 + $50 for a year (EA conversion) + 1 year and 9 months ($15/mo) for new members only.

• 3 years Playstation Plus, Saiwa = $96 ($2.67/mo)
• 3 years Game Pass Ultimate, new members = $216 ($6.00/mo) $366 ($10.1/mo)
• 3 years Game Pass Ultimate, existing members = $363 ($10.08/mo) $540 ($15/mo)
• 3 years Game Pass Ultimate, Madmick = Free ($free/mo) $100 ($2.77/mo)

*Didn't you technically pay $100 for the upconversion as stated in your post?

Yes it sounds like a great deal for the first year or so but then the real cost kicks in (just like any cable tv subscription) and the real cost emerges. You'll be paying $15/mo after those first 3 years. In your 4th year you'll have payed more than my first 4 years combined already (even your first 3 years are free as you claimed).

If my only platform is PC and/or Xbox then GP/GPU makes sense. But unlike you I game on other platforms (PS5 and Switch) so there is zero reason to get GP/GPU. I am not going to get to play Zelda or Diablo IV or God of War on Game Pass. The best approach for gamers like me who do not have time to play a shit ton of games is to buy the games I care about on each platform as needed.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Okay, @SaiWa, you incorrigible fanboy, time for you to taste the back of my hand.

We'll start with arithmetic since I can see you're not too bright.

Even at a retail $15/mo...
7 years x 12 months = 84 months x $15/mo = $1260

LMAO, you did it again.

3 freebies per month x 12 months x 7 years = 252 games + 28 (you purchased) = 280 + "50-100 games any seasoned gamer would own" = 380 games, max.

How in the fuck did that become 405...mmmhmmm?

Because you wanted to introduce an assumed number of games for a "seasoned" gamer, and you couldn't even keep that honest. No, how about we compare services, not purchase histories. That makes more sense since you're...comparing services.

LMAO, "Why pay $180/yr for Game Pass Ultimate" asks the guy who just bragged about buying his PS Plus on the gray key market. Funny how the gray key market doesn't exist suddenly when you're pretending to own an Xbox. You could have gotten 3 years of Game Pass Ultimate for ~$100 using that gray key market in conjunction with the upconversion promotion back on the November 18, 2019 date you wanted to talk about. Xbox Live Gold (and Game Pass plan) prices have shot through the roof even on the gray market. Know why PS Plus prices haven't? Because that service is a heaping pile of shit compared to Game Pass.

Of course you aren't aware of a currently running EA Play conversion strategy that nets Game Pass Ultimate at $6/mo for new members considering jumping aboard. You can stack up to three years at that rate. This isn't a gray key that might get canceled, either, if you opt for the $30/yr rate. It's legit.

Your misrepresentation of PS Plus prices wasn't an honest mistake. It was fanboy bullshit, and you got caught slinging it. You're still doing it by counting "300 games" for Game Pass when you can see damn well at their website it's 357 Xbox games, currently. You're doing it with your autistic arithmetic which doubles the price of retail Game Pass or the total number of PS Plus giveaways. You're doing it by quoting retail prices for Game Pass, but not for PS Plus.


A more honest price comparison: gray key prices & readily available conversion "exploits" available if buying today

• 3 years Playstation Plus, Saiwa = $96 ($2.67/mo)
• 3 years Game Pass Ultimate, new members = $216 ($6.00/mo)
• 3 years Game Pass Ultimate, existing members = $363 ($10.08/mo)
• 3 years Game Pass Ultimate, Madmick = Free ($free/mo)

PS Plus supplied $7,983 MSRP of titles from 2014-2020. Xbox Live Gold supplied $6,572 MSRP of titles during this time. The first Microsoft advantage is XSX users on Xbox Live Gold (or Game Pass Ultimate today) can play every (or nearly every) title constituting this giveaway value because it included Xbox 360 titles while PS5 owners on PS Plus can't play PS3 giveaway titles due to a lack of backwards compatibility. Ergo, looking backward, the total MSRP value is almost certainly greater for Xbox Users. Moreover, the key difference with these giveaways is that PS Plus users must maintain a subscription in order to play their titles. They don't truly own them. Meanwhile, Microsoft users keep their giveaways regardless of whether they continue a subscription. So Microsoft already has a clear head start.

Moving forward, PS Plus offers nothing but those 3 monthly giveaways (2 x PS4 + 1 x PS5 title), which you don't choose, and the 20 PS Plus Collection games (all PS4 titles). That's a joke compared to Game Pass Ultimate.

Meanwhile, Game Pass Ultimate, which subsumes Xbox Live Gold, offers 4 titles Free Games with Gold each month (2 x XSX optimized or Xbox One + 2 x Xbox backwards compatible library). All you have to do is claim them and you own them forever. That means there will be +84 total freebie games to play after 7 years.

With Game Pass Ultimate, you have access to 357 Xbox titles today, and 505 titles if you count your PC privileges. These titles are rotating. The biggest and most popular titles remain, but they rotate the rest after they've been on the service around a year. In fact, since the service launched in June 2017, 766 total Xbox titles have appeared on the service. So the total library accessible to a brand new Game Pass user subscribing today after 7 years will be vastly greater than the pitiful 405-game projection for Saiwa after 7 years. In fact, if we offer a projection using this timeline sample, we would project 1,170 titles over that 7 years.

More importantly, on Game Pass, you can download and play whichever titles you please at any time throughout the cycle. Meanwhile, Saiwa on his 7-year plan is limited to a choice of 3 games this month, 6 games next month, 9 games in his third month, and so on. Go ahead, add the 20 PS Plus collection games. Doesn't change that your choice throughout the early years is utterly pitiful.

Furthermore, PS Plus almost always gives away old games. They're almost always 18+ months old, and often older. Additionally, they're more often indies or throwaways that aren't in demand. Meanwhile, every Microsoft-published title is a Day 1 release on Game Pass. These are all their biggest franchise games. Meanwhile, it also includes all the games on EA Play (which is itself either $5/mo or $30/yr a la carte). These include their biggest games like Star Wars: Fallen Order, Star Wars: Battlefront 2, Battlefield V, Anthem, FIFA 20, Madden NFL 20, Need for Speed: Heat, The Sims 4, Command & Conquer Remastered, etc.

On top of this, with Game Pass, you'll never pay full price for a game you want. That's because you get a 20% discount in the Xbox store for any Game Pass games if you want to own them forever.

Additionally, Game Pass includes Project xCloud by default. So you can actually access and play your Xbox library on a phone or tablet on the go wherever you take them. Finally, if you also game on PC, many Game Pass games are synced between both platforms. You can step away from the keyboard, and pick up the controller to play right where you left off. No such interoperability exists between the Playstation and PC. Some games even offer multiplayer cross-platform play if your friends are not on the same platform as you.

So let's add that up for your hypothetical 7-year window:

• PS Plus = 272 games, mostly less popular giveaways, selection choice starts at 23 games and builds at 3 games per month from there
• Game Pass = 1,506 games, mostly AAA, latest and greatest games, selection choice never less than 361 games (counting only Xbox)

Sony fanboy: "I got the better deal because my gaming service is slightly cheaper on the gray market"
Microsoft master racer:

Spoiler

yeah it’s kind of impossible to argue that Gamepass is a bad value without sounding silly. I get it that at the time of writing it may be a little less appealing if you e games through out all these generations and there isn’t a lot of older games you want to play I guess. The only real argument for Sony though is that for now they do still have the superior exclusives, which is a legit argument.

It will be interesting to see how game pass developes. How quickly games get added to the catalog and what not. Right now I’m not really interested in it, but I have a ludicrously enormous steam library of games I’ve yet to play