Conor strikes vs. Cowboy in super slo-mo (awesome)

[kflo]

His time was also limited, (a common occurrence in Mcgregor fights for some reason), but I'm pretty sure Donald went snowmobiling when normal fighters would have been training. Another difference is that Diaz has pride. He doesn't go into the Octagon to lose, at least he always believes he is going to win. Conor made a miscalculation in hand picking Nate, even on short notice, because Nate came in to win and was a bad matchup for him. Cerrone, on paper, could have been a bad matchup for Conor but declared before the fight that he would not even try to take him down and wanted to give the fans a "fun fight" instead. And indeed, he was true to his word, he attempted no takedowns although the opportunities were many and he threw no strikes before he was "rocked" by jumping shoulder strikes and TKO'd by a big toe to the cheek. Even Smith, who had little to no MMA knowledge whatsoever was highly skeptical of Donald's performance. It was so bad that it almost looked rehearsed. I don't think it was but I do know that Donald did not go in there to win, he went in there to lose and grab a big paycheck for minimum effort. He may well have lost anyway but the fans who bought that shitshow deserved a whole lot better and that's why they were the ones who lost, not Donald.

lol. you're so full of shit. WHY did he go in to lose???

and again, you're trying to make believe cerrone wasn't training. it's disrespectful and embarrassing to try to pretend you know.

All the fun and the extra activities I do just give my brain a break from thinking about the fight all day, all night. We get on those bikes and you're just cruising. We get on the lake and we just play. We get on the snowmobiles and we just, like, reset. Because it's constant grind and training and thinking. You have to -- I have to, anyways -- get my mind a break. But, yeah, I don't overlook Conor. I don't look past Conor. I don't not think about it. Like, no, this is just something I do.

So, I'm 100% all-in for this camp. Training and playing.

Just good energy on my camp. Like, good morale. Joking around, playing around. Like there wasn't any bad times.
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he wasn't tko'd by a big toe to the cheek. you feel the need to embellish everything. it's not a good faith discussion. and you pull all your punches. just come out and say it already.

even on the first missed strike, donald was immediately driven back by the momentum and force of conor's leg. he didn't have leverage for a takedown.

but of course, it's pointless, because in your mind donald had a big check waiting for him but only if he lost.........

 

[Jeandoozz]

You think Conor one of the best strikers of all time, threw a left hand from the next state thinking it would land? And on the first punch..

Yeah sorry man.. Nah..

that's Qanon level shit right here

 

[Captain Herb]

lol. you're so full of shit. WHY did he go in to lose???

and again, you're trying to make believe cerrone wasn't training. it's disrespectful and embarrassing to try to pretend you know.

All the fun and the extra activities I do just give my brain a break from thinking about the fight all day, all night. We get on those bikes and you're just cruising. We get on the lake and we just play. We get on the snowmobiles and we just, like, reset. Because it's constant grind and training and thinking. You have to -- I have to, anyways -- get my mind a break. But, yeah, I don't overlook Conor. I don't look past Conor. I don't not think about it. Like, no, this is just something I do.

So, I'm 100% all-in for this camp. Training and playing.

Just good energy on my camp. Like, good morale. Joking around, playing around. Like there wasn't any bad times.
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he wasn't tko'd by a big toe to the cheek. you feel the need to embellish everything. it's not a good faith discussion. and you pull all your punches. just come out and say it already.

even on the first missed strike, donald was immediately driven back by the momentum and force of conor's leg. he didn't have leverage for a takedown.

but of course, it's pointless, because in your mind donald had a big check waiting for him but only if he lost.........

Who do you think Dana White was rooting for? Donald? And don't say he's impartial about fights and his favorite fighters because he never has been. Therein lies your answer because Donald is the ultimate company man. He puts the Company above himself. He does what is best for the Company even if it means taking short notice fights, unfavorable fights, and fighting every month or so. He also got paid many times over what he normally makes for this one fight, and was also signed to a very lucrative contract extension at the same time.

This was a must-win for Conor and Dana White in the most urgent sense of the term. Losing to Donald would have been a virtual career-ender for Conor and an absolute disaster for UFC, resulting in the subsequent loss of untold millions. The stakes for both could not be understated.

The big grin on Donald's face after mailing it in said it all, while the UFC spin machine tried to talk up how broken his face was--none of which turned out to be true. You're a smart guy managing a F500 company, I'm sure you can put the pieces together if you were being honest about it.

 

[kflo]

Who do you think Dana White was rooting for? Donald? And don't say he's impartial about fights and his favorite fighters because he never has been. Therein lies your answer because Donald is the ultimate company man. He puts the Company above himself. He does what is best for the Company even if it means taking short notice fights, unfavorable fights, and fighting every month or so. He also got paid many times over what he normally makes for this one fight, and was also signed to a very lucrative contract extension at the same time.

funny, nowhere in that list of "company man" things did he need to lose to get paid. do you think the leap from taking short notice fights (and getting paid for them win or lose) or taking tough matchups (and getting paid for them win or lose) to fucking throwing fights because you think that's what boss wants is just a small little leap??? it's comical. masvidal got a big contract extension. did he throw the fight? jose aldo signed a big contract extension after losing to volk. i'm sure it was to be paid off to lose future fights, including the yan beatdown.

This was a must-win for Conor and Dana White in the most urgent sense of the term. Losing to Donald would have been a virtual career-ender for Conor and an absolute disaster for UFC, resulting in the subsequent loss of untold millions. The stakes for both could not be understated.

the ufc is worth billions. do you understand that? fight fixing from within the org doesn't just cost you millions. it costs you billions. anyone involved could go public at any time.

but the funny thing is you are trying to suggest donald did it on his own, just to be a good guy. lol........comical

The big grin on Donald's face after mailing it in said it all, while the UFC spin machine tried to talk up how broken his face was--none of which turned out to be true. You're a smart guy managing a F500 company, I'm sure you can put the pieces together if you were being honest about it.

this is donald after the ferguson fight.

after gaethje

btw, the fuckin athletic commission reported broken bones. not the ufc.

 

[Captain Herb]

funny, nowhere in that list of "company man" things did he need to lose to get paid. do you think the leap from taking short notice fights (and getting paid for them win or lose) or taking tough matchups (and getting paid for them win or lose) to fucking throwing fights because you think that's what boss wants is just a small little leap??? it's comical. masvidal got a big contract extension. did he throw the fight? jose aldo signed a big contract extension after losing to volk. i'm sure it was to be paid off to lose future fights, including the yan beatdown.


the ufc is worth billions. do you understand that? fight fixing from within the org doesn't just cost you millions. it costs you billions. anyone involved could go public at any time.

but the funny thing is you are trying to suggest donald did it on his own, just to be a good guy. lol........comical

this is donald after the ferguson fight.

after gaethje

btw, the fuckin athletic commission reported broken bones. not the ufc.

That's a black eye dude, not a broken face. It can happen if you hover over your opponent's shoulder in the clinch and allow him to jump and hit you with it repeatedly without going for the easy takedown. Lol.

 

[The Schmoop]

Why the hate for Cerrone?

I can’t really explain. Just never liked his personality. Always came off as a fake tool since WEC days. Paycheck fighter as of late. Nothing screams douchebag more than a Cowboy hat and an affliction shirt.

I don’t expect it to make sense hes just always came off as a douchebag in my opinion.

 

[kflo]

That's a black eye dude, not a broken face. It can happen if you hover over your opponent's shoulder in the clinch and allow him to jump and hit you with it repeatedly without going for the easy takedown. Lol.

i have no idea what you are talking about. those are pictures of donald smiling in the cage after losing fights to tony ferguson and justin gaethje. you get it now?

lol at going for an easy takedown.....yeah, cerrone is an expert at takedowns from a clinch in the middle of the cage......

 

[Captain Herb]

i have no idea what you are talking about. those are pictures of donald smiling in the cage after losing fights to tony ferguson and justin gaethje. you get it now?

lol at going for an easy takedown.....yeah, cerrone is an expert at takedowns from a clinch in the middle of the cage......

OK, well this is what he looked like after Conor. Quite similar, not even as bad.

 

[CerebralKnievel]

Conveniently let out Conors horrible first punch that he misses by 10 miles and cowboy dont bother to take him down. Cowboy would make a good career in WWE.

Yeah, because Cowboy has been strongly defined by a career of executing takedowns and top control.

 

[kflo]

OK, well this is what he looked like after Conor. Quite similar, not even as bad.

yeah, he looked like he got beat up.......

you're all over the place herb.

he was smiling in the cage after both ferg and gaethje. did he try to lose those fights? you seem to be losing sight of what your arguments are.......

 

[Superzorro]

The same commentators that say "OHHHH THAT'S IN DEEP!" At any and every submission attempt that happens before them where the fighters always break out of? Or the commentators that scream "OHHHHH HE ROCKED HIM!" At every significant strike? During the fight the commentators seemed perplexed at the shoulder strikes and after the fight they say the shoulders broke Cowboys nose when in fact, his nose was not broken. Are you one of those guys that only watches UFC PPV Main cards lmao? Maybe go to a gym and ask whether or not it's a good idea to use shoulder strikes in a clinch.

Maybe because at the time of the broadcast, it appeared to be broken to everyone, including the fighters who were actually in the cage. As McGregor referred to it as 'broken with the shoulder strikes' when he consoled Cerrone, and Cerrone himself agreed at the time. That said, I'm not only referring to those commentators, no- I'm also referring to the actual fighters who fight in the UFC and the former fighters, and the coaches, who referred to them as 'crafty.'
Here's a video of Coach Firas Zahabi praising McGregor's utilization of them as opposed to downplaying Cerrone's skill (x).

But again, I have to remind myself that I'm debating with someone who genuinely believes that Cerrone threw the fight. You can have this debate, dude. There's literally no point.

 

[Arcticman]

Cowboy himself said the day before he didnt want to even get in the cage and just wanted to take the money and go home its clear he gave up and didnt try a leg in the match and exact reason conor hand picked that chocker for the fight and ducked justin who was calling him out for a year. Conor tards in denial about this pathetic hand picked fight.

 

[Captain Herb]

yeah, he looked like he got beat up.......

you're all over the place herb.

he was smiling in the cage after both ferg and gaethje. did he try to lose those fights? you seem to be losing sight of what your arguments are.......

One of those was also when his heart was questioned. When his nose was broken and he blew it--some say to get out of the fight--maybe that's why he was smiling there too. In any case, that's far from my main argument. I suggest you go back and re-read my posts where I lay it all out clearly instead of trying to nitpick around the edges.

 

[kflo]

One of those was also when his heart was questioned. When his nose was broken and he blew it--some say to get out of the fight--maybe that's why he was smiling there too. In any case, that's far from my main argument. I suggest you go back and re-read my posts where I lay it all out clearly instead of trying to nitpick around the edges.

yes, your position is that cowboy lost on purpose because he knew the ufc wanted him to lose........but there was no real tangible financial reward to losing instead of winning............he's just that much of a team guy..........derp.......

 

[Captain Herb]

yes, your position is that cowboy lost on purpose because he knew the ufc wanted him to lose........but there was no real tangible financial reward to losing instead of winning............he's just that much of a team guy..........derp.......

You're forgetting that he made "multiples" more than his usual base pay for that particular fight and was also given a lucrative 6 fight extension at his new rate at the same time he signed for the Mcgreggor fight.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Cowboy got hit by Conor's knee/upper thigh

I don't think the thigh(which is a meaty part of the body, not bone) hitting Cerrone prevented him from attempting a takedown while Conor was in the air, Cerrone just didn't go for the takedown at all. I'm not claiming that Cerrone threw the fight though like the person you are replying to, just that Cerrone didn't react smartly to Conor launching himself into the air which should have resulted in an easy takedown.

 

[kflo]

You're forgetting that he made "multiples" more than his usual base pay for that particular fight and was also given a lucrative 6 fight extension at his new rate at the same time he signed for the Mcgreggor fight.

Yeah, strange. Nate made multiples more too. So did Eddie. Khabib. Chad. Jose.

again, you seem to be dancing still. None of that was conditional on him losing. They couldn’t just tear up the contract if he won. You get that right?

 

[kflo]

Your argument that fights could never be influenced or, God forbid, fixed to some degree, when there are millions on the line always boils down to "they didn't sign a contract to fix the fight". Well no shit Sherlock. Lol.

your argument is that these things are done based on a wink or an unspoken acknowledgement is ridiculous. again, see nate diaz and khabib for the difference between losing to conor and beating him. the idea that cerrone was personally better served by acting in what he simply thought the ufc wanted is ludicrous and tinfoil hat absurd.

millions < billions.........brock lost 2x in a row with millions on the line. ronda lost 2x in a row with millions on the line. it's part of the game......

 

[kflo]

Nate, Cain, Alistair, Holly, and Amanda are not known to be company men. Cowboy does whatever the UFC wants and they obviously wanted Conor to win. His effort was so pathetic that it actually looked like a work. Cowboy probably just wanted the easy money but he also knew there would be no tears shed, no repercussions from the company if he lost. In fact he was given more money than ever and signed to a ridiculous contract in his waning days as a fighter. I'm not going to continue to spell it out to you because you, as usual, like to keep your head in the sand.

lol. nate, cain, alistair, holly and amanda all JUMPED in profile and earning power after their wins. it literally made them all millionaires by winning. but cowboy deduced that it was in his personal best interest to lose.

cerrone made 200k in his fight after conor. that's the "ridiculous" contract he got........

you're dancing around your accusations and left with arguments that make no sense as a result. all evidence says it was in cerrone's financial best interest to win. but you think he just wanted to make others happy instead.....that's your argument. it's absurd.

 

[ocfightfan]

that's fair enough I guess

It's a success mindset I tell you.