Conor never should have left 145 pounds

What facts? The Holloway Conor beat barely squeaked by Leonard fucking Garcia. You think Conor beating that version of Holloway actually means something? Michael Johnson beat Tony too. Sure means a lot today by your logic. I like how you keep coming back with more of your one sentence opinions. I'm wasting my time writing paragraphs here.
Yes and....yes, yes it does. Especially since Tony has ducked a rematch with Johnson not too long ago. And Holloway went undefeated for a long time after losing to Conor as well as becoming Champ. Another fact for you, Holloway was Conors SECOND FIGHT in the UFC after Conor ko'd the Bamma Beast Marcus Brimmage.

You are the only one giving opinions, I am stating facts. And I agree that you are waisting time.
 
Yes and....yes, yes it does. Especially since Tony has ducked a rematch with Johnson not too long ago. And Holloway went undefeated for a long time after losing to Conor as well as becoming Champ. Another fact for you, Holloway was Conors SECOND FIGHT in the UFC after Conor ko'd the Bamma Beast Marcus Brimmage.

You are the only one giving opinions, I am stating facts. And I agree that you are waisting time.
Are 0 title defense and 4 ranked wins opinions? You are stating facts that don't really help your argument. Conor had 14 fights with championship experience in Cage Warriors. That's more impressive than whatever Holloway did before fighting Conor. It's amazing that Conor is the first fighter in history to clear out a division by just becoming the champ with 4 ranked wins.
 
Are 0 title defense and 4 ranked wins opinions? You are stating facts that don't really help your argument. Conor had 14 fights with championship experience in Cage Rage. That's more impressive than whatever Holloway did before fighting Conor. It's amazing that Conor is the first fighter in history to clear out a division by just becoming the champ with 4 ranked wins.
You do realize Conor wasn't ranked number one when he first came to the UFC? Heck, everyone thought Brimmage was going to ko him because Conor hadn't faced any UFC competition.Conor-McGregor-Marcus-Brimage-1200x900.png that contest was glorious. It was hilarious watching all the Brimmage fans silenced.
 
You do realize Conor wasn't ranked number one when he first came to the UFC? Heck, everyone thought Brimmage was going to ko him because Conor hadn't faced any UFC competition.View attachment 765917 that contest was glorious. It was hilarious watching all the Brimmage fans silenced.
Yeah I think a guy making his debut is ranked number one. You really think that little of me? Everyone thought Brimmage was going to win? You sure about that opinion of yours? Because Conor was the favorite going into that fight. And yes that was an amazing performance. This is getting off topic.

I'll just leave this here for everyone: Conor is the first fighter in history to clear out a division by just becoming the champ with 4 ranked wins.
Going to sleep.
 
For Integrity’s sake.

I know that going up to 170 and 155 made him rich as fuck.

the two Diaz fights and the Alvarez fight got him the Mayweather fight and all that made him a rich, rich man.

but if he stayed at 145 he had a shot of being the GOAT in all of MMA. Jose Aldo rematch I think he would have won. Dustin Poirier and Max Holloway rematches I say he wins. Mendes rematch he wins. Anyone other scraps at 145 pounds I say he is favored. He would have been the 145 pound Anderson Silva, and maybe still gotten the Mayweather fight. With the judges and the ref on his side, i bet he could have gotten 4-5 title defences.

with his height, size advantage, KO power. I think staying and defending at 145 pounds would have been best for his long term legacy.
Lol. He had 3 top 10 wins at FW.

There's a reason he didn't give Aldo the rematch he promised in the cage. Poirer was leaving so that rematch wouldn't have happened anyway. Mendez was winning the fight handedly and doesn't make the same mistake again.

Holloway the top 5 fighter was nothing like Holloway the 18th ranked fighter Conor fought and if he couldn't KO that version he certainly isn't KOing top 5 Holloway and also isn't taking him down.

Then we have Frankie Edgar, KZ, Lentz, Lamas and the 3 other top 10 FWs he avoided on his way to the belt.

The odds really aren't in his favor even on the off chance he wins the rematch against an Aldo coming in with nothing to lose.
 
Yeah I think a guy making his debut is ranked number one. You really think that little of me? Everyone thought Brimmage was going to win? You sure about that opinion of yours? Because Conor was the favorite going into that fight. And yes that was an amazing performance. This is getting off topic.

I'll just leave this here for everyone: Conor is the first fighter in history to clear out a division by just becoming the champ with 4 ranked wins.
Going to sleep.
I don't think little of you. Just stating facts and joking around a little. But yes, most fighters and fans favored Brimmage. Marcus was on multiple pod casts and the narrative was that Conor had never fought any UFC competition so he would most likely lose.

Ok. Holler back at me when you wake up.
 
He was a great featherweight but that weight cut was legitimately frightening.

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Looks like a different human being lol.
McGregor is a reptilian.
 
He would be dead if he tried to continue that horrific weight cut.
 
Are we still comparing the striking of someone who KOed Aldo in 13 seconds to a guy who got dropped and almost finished by Lando Vannata? And almost every other fighter he ever faced dropped him as well.
I wouldn’t call Poirier, Eddie and Cowboy smaller guys. Cowboy outstriked Tony in the first round, Conor needed 40 seconds to humiliate him. Only guy who Conor didn’t put away with ease was Nate. And Conor was still landing bombs on him and dropping him all the time. And Tony’s boxing and chin doesn’t come close to Nate’s. Michael Johnson outboxed Tony with ease and Nate did the same to him.
I don’t mind revisiting my thinking. I checked out stats, and they’re pretty even.
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Ferguson throws a bit more, but slightly less accurate. It’s really not accurate to categorize Tony as someone who gets hit and dropped constantly. Ferg’s striking defense is better than Conor’s by a good clip.
Aside from these stats, I watched some fights and highlights by both guys. I think it would be more accurate of me to say that striking is even in terms of ability. It really wasn’t correct of me to say Ferguson is the better striker; what I mean is that I believe that in a fight between Conor and Tony, Tony will get the better of the striking. Yes, Tony has gotten caught occasionally, but so has Conor—as soon as he fought a good striker that was taller than him. Against Siver, or Mendes, or Alvarez he did well. I don’t think Conor will be able to implement his striking game as well against Tony as he has some others. But obviously that’s conjecture on my part.
I don’t mean to disrespect Conor’s striking, he’s very good. The other elements of his game, are not so good.
 
I don't think little of you. Just stating facts and joking around a little. But yes, most fighters and fans favored Brimmage. Marcus was on multiple pod casts and the narrative was that Conor had never fought any UFC competition so he would most likely lose.

Ok. Holler back at me when you wake up.
Bestfightodds, fightmetric, and mmadecisions are your friends for numbers/stats/facts. Conor was the odds on favorite despite whatever narrative you heard. Simply stating facts doesn't automatically make you right. It depends on how you use them to support your argument.
 
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I don’t mind revisiting my thinking. I checked out stats, and they’re pretty even.
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Ferguson throws a bit more, but slightly less accurate. It’s really not accurate to categorize Tony as someone who gets hit and dropped constantly. Ferg’s striking defense is better than Conor’s by a good clip.
Aside from these stats, I watched some fights and highlights by both guys. I think it would be more accurate of me to say that striking is even in terms of ability. It really wasn’t correct of me to say Ferguson is the better striker; what I mean is that I believe that in a fight between Conor and Tony, Tony will get the better of the striking. Yes, Tony has gotten caught occasionally, but so has Conor—as soon as he fought a good striker that was taller than him. Against Siver, or Mendes, or Alvarez he did well. I don’t think Conor will be able to implement his striking game as well against Tony as he has some others. But obviously that’s conjecture on my part.
I don’t mean to disrespect Conor’s striking, he’s very good. The other elements of his game, are not so good.
I appreciate you looking at stats and actually trying to give a tactical breakdown instead of just using mmamath like the guy who you responded to did. I point out the flaws of his statements with numbers already and he hasn't replied back.
 
155 is the ideal weightclass for him. When he could make 145 he was a monster there but as he has aged I just don't think it's possible anymore. And if it is it would effect his performance too much.
 
I appreciate you looking at stats and actually trying to give a tactical breakdown instead of just using mmamath like the guy who you responded to did. I point out the flaws of his statements with numbers already and he hasn't replied back.
Haha, he’s a good dude though. He’s usually pretty good about replying too. As for me, I don’t mind re-looking at my own points of view if I didn’t express something the best way, or trying to support my POV with data.
 
Bestfightodds, fightmetric, and mmadecisions are your friends for numbers/stats/facts. Conor was the odds on favorite despite whatever narrative you heard. Simply stating facts doesn't automatically make you right. It depends on how you use them to support your argument.
Ok?
Conor was the betting favorite, that's cool. Alot of cats will bet on the underdog because it pays more if they win.

What were the odds then?
 
Ok?
Conor was the betting favorite, that's cool. Alot of cats will bet on the underdog because it pays more if they win.

What were the odds then?
Betting odds are reflective of public perception. You can see how the odds shift based on the money coming in. If a lot of people bet on Brimmage as the underdog then the odds should have shifted to him becoming the favorite or at least a smaller underdog. Conor started off as the favorite and ended up as the favorite so not much changed. Bro I gave you bestfightodds. Look at it yourself. It was close. Maybe 1.5:1 favorite for Conor.
 
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I don’t mind revisiting my thinking. I checked out stats, and they’re pretty even.
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Ferguson throws a bit more, but slightly less accurate. It’s really not accurate to categorize Tony as someone who gets hit and dropped constantly. Ferg’s striking defense is better than Conor’s by a good clip.
Aside from these stats, I watched some fights and highlights by both guys. I think it would be more accurate of me to say that striking is even in terms of ability. It really wasn’t correct of me to say Ferguson is the better striker; what I mean is that I believe that in a fight between Conor and Tony, Tony will get the better of the striking. Yes, Tony has gotten caught occasionally, but so has Conor—as soon as he fought a good striker that was taller than him. Against Siver, or Mendes, or Alvarez he did well. I don’t think Conor will be able to implement his striking game as well against Tony as he has some others. But obviously that’s conjecture on my part.
I don’t mean to disrespect Conor’s striking, he’s very good. The other elements of his game, are not so good.
Okay. Let’s go:

1- you’re stats also show that Conor is a better wrestler than Tony.

2- GnP count as significant strikes, also the time spent on the back changes the landed strike proportion. Can you image how much spending 3-4 rounds on his back changes Conor’s striking stats, when he KO’s some of his opponents in few seconds?

3- you can’t use height and reach in this, trying to discredit Conor. Tony is a natural WW, who cuts down to skin and bone to gain advantage. He had reach advantage over every opponent he faced in UFC. Cowboy was 4 inches taller than Conor and got whooped in 40 sec. Lando is a midget next to Tony and still almost knocked him out.

4- Tony has 4 TKO/KO wins in 16 UFC fights. That’s 25%. In his only UFC loss Tony got outboxed by MJ.
Conor has 9 TKO/KO wins in 13 UFC fights. That’s 69%. Conor’s 2 losses came by submission.

5- Conor is widely considered one of the all time best MMA strikers with the likes of Anderson, Machida and Wonderboy. I’ve never heard Tony being mentioned in that discussion.

Of course I’m not saying Tony couldn’t win, but it would have to be by endurance and willpower, not by striking technique.FCAA08F8-D877-46A0-B198-03C679F06B3E.pngB7064AED-5FC9-4F7A-B2DA-C575820F57F4.jpeg
 
I appreciate you looking at stats and actually trying to give a tactical breakdown instead of just using mmamath like the guy who you responded to did. I point out the flaws of his statements with numbers already and he hasn't replied back.
Look up
 
I'm glad you actually took the time to do some research after my response. But what you posted has nothing to do with how I responded to you. Read my previous post where I quoted you. I told you it's subjective and I'm not going to argue with you who is the better striker. I just pointed out the flaws in your post that I quoted. You should have done the research before posting but at least you corrected that mistake.
 
He absolutely does not.
He is 1-1 at 155, and he’s only ever fought other 155ers at 170. His record there is 2-1, and arguably should be 1-2. He has an argument of being one of the best ever at featherweight. That’s it.
Why should his 170 record be 1-2? He clearly won 3 rounds against Diaz. The only question marks are whether round 3 was a 10-8 or not, so it’s either a McGregor victory or a draw, I’ve watched it several times as fan of both men and there’s no way Diaz won that fight.
 
So much of what you said is just plain wrong if you look at the stats. And you used so much MMAmath logic that I don't know where to start. I'm not going to argue with you whose striking is better because it's subjective. I'll just point out the flaws in some of your statements. "Cowboy outstriked Tony in the first round." You got the numbers to back that up? Because I do and you're wrong. The Cerrone Tony beat had a 4 fight win streak vs Conor had 2 fight losing streak by finish. "And almost every other fighter he ever faced dropped him as well." Let me see. When did Cerrone, Lee, RDA, Barboza, Thomson, Tibau, Castillo, Kikuno, and Rio do it?
I agree I wasn’t very accurate, because I was replying to in my mind very outlandish statement. I still think Donald won the first round by landing cleaner punches. Tony just ate them like a mad man. I’m a huge Tony fan and believe he could defeat Conor, but in no way he is a better striker than Conor. It’s basically common knowledge.
 
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