Conor fighting LWs = Jones fighting HWs

The Natural Born Runner said:
I agree, kind of.

You cannot really compare LW and HW divisions though.

McGregor walks around the 170 mark. So a fair 15lb cut gets him to him optimum weight of LW, he then goes the extra mile and cuts an additional 10lbs which takes him down to 145 for FW, which in total is a 25lb cut - that's pretty sizable for a man that small.

Jones walking around is probably around 225-235 I would say. So if he was to cut 15lbs also he'd be at 210, and still ineligible to fight at LHW, but honestly do you ever seen any HW fight at 210lbs? Also the benefit of fighting at HW is weight cutting is almost needless and to be honest, not actually beneficial. Jones even at 225 would be running the risk of fighting 255lb and 265lb monsters. You cannot honestly say that it's the same as Conor, who cannot fight opponents anywhere near that weight deficit.

Apples and oranges.

Conor should fight at LW, hence why he did in past organisations and why he had a title there. Don't understand why everyone keeps running from that.
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The current HW champ weighs is 6'4, and weighs in the early 230s. Jones isn't the only guy at LHW that shouldn't be there, but he's going to be the guy to cop the shit because he's the most successful.
No one gives a shit about Tibau's size because he loses pretty regularly
 
i agree with TS except I would say Fedor could have probably cut to MW way easier than Conor cuts to FW. Fedor at middle weight probably looks like what Conor looks like at LW. Ideal healthy weight for a 6 foot male with a large frame is 164 - 188lbs (according to many ideal weight tables). And Fedor is a half inch less than 6' !

Alright, everybody needs to just stop and think about that! And then when you consider that Fedor only had 74.5 inch reach. Compared to Fedor's body specs Fedor was fighting absolute monsters his whole career, most of whom were so jacked up on steroids that they are all probably impotent today.

I mean have some f-ing common sense people. Middleweight superfight prime Fedor vs non jacked GSP (both in prime). Fedor would crumple him up like a piece of paper and throw him into the crowd.
 
Conor fighting @ LW = Edgar fighting @ FW

Conor fighting @ WW = Edgar fighting @ LW
 
Cooliox said:
Conor fighting @ LW = Edgar fighting @ FW

Conor fighting @ WW = Edgar fighting @ LW
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agree

Conor's weight cut is actually NOT natural or standard for UFC. Very very rarely does anyone else look that emaciated after weight cut. I am a Conor fan but I have been withholding full fan support until I see how he does at LW
 
Jones cuts 17-19 lbs to make 205.

Conor cuts 20-25 lbs to make 145.



Let that sink in.
 
Jones is afraid of HW's. No question about it. He's not stupid, he knows that his size is one of his biggest assets at LHW, this obviously won't be present at HW, particularly because he'd obviously be partnered up against the HW champ or the number 1/2 contender.
 
Ephendi said:
the difference is 205 to 265... and 145 to 155...
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How many people fight at 265?Very few men can reach 265 without juicing or eliminating any ounce of cardio and explosiveness they could have had at a lower weight.

Although if there were more Polynesian fighters you would probably have more people cutting to make 265.
 
Jones has really the potential to surpass Anderson us the GOAT... Conor is lightyears away... dont compare those two pls.

Best regard

Ata The Crow
 
Repsac said:
haha yea, I'm sure Jones is dying to rematch Gus or a fighter Cormier easily smashed. A lot better than risking getting brutally KO'd by even middling heavyweights.
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How is this even a thread? There are a suspicious number of horrible 2015 accounts going on right now. The greatest fighters of all time did their work in a single division. GSP (WW), Anderson (MW), Jones (LHW), and Fedor (HW). They all became great in a single division, not by moving divisions. Anderson had a couple fights at 205, but his greatness was measured at MW.

Randy moved around and won belts in 2 divisions but he is not considered GOAT status, same for Hendo, same for BJ Penn. So the point here is that Jones does not have to move to HW to cement GOAT status, in fact, quite the opposite. It is his domination at 205 that gives him that status.
 
Lets all agree that LHW Jon Jones fights are comparable in size and reach advantage the way Conor has at FW. Forget about the HW talk 265.... but the advantage is clear as day... especially when you watch jones fights and he makes Elite fighters look like shit and can't do anything because they look like manlets compared to him
 
Fingers & toes. . . .
145 - 155 (10 pounds)
205 - 206 (1 pound)

Nope Connor fighting LW = Jon fighting HW x 10

Just kidding of course, but I can't stand pathetic starving trolls!
 
Doesn't Conor cut the same amount of weight as Jones?
That's insane for a FW.

Though Jones has fought a lot of guys who are probably better suited to MW
 
MusterX said:
How is this even a thread? There are a suspicious number of horrible 2015 accounts going on right now. The greatest fighters of all time did their work in a single division. GSP (WW), Anderson (MW), Jones (LHW), and Fedor (HW). They all became great in a single division, not by moving divisions. Anderson had a couple fights at 205, but his greatness was measured at MW.

Randy moved around and won belts in 2 divisions but he is not considered GOAT status, same for Hendo, same for BJ Penn. So the point here is that Jones does not have to move to HW to cement GOAT status, in fact, quite the opposite. It is his domination at 205 that gives him that status.
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No one's denying that Jones is a "great" so that's not the argument. But when people talk GOAT they mean P4P GOAT (since the GOAT will always be the HW GOAT). Jones cannot be the P4P GOAT as long as there's a smaller guy who did what he did at a higher weight class. In order to surpass Fedor as P4P GOAT, he has to prove himself at HW. Otherwise he will remain #2. Being a natural LHW dominating HW (Fedor) will always trump being a natural HW dominating LHW (Jones). Simple as that.
 
Repsac said:
No one's denying that Jones is a "great" so that's not the argument. But when people talk GOAT they mean P4P GOAT (since the GOAT will always be the HW GOAT). Jones cannot be the P4P GOAT as long as there's a smaller guy who did what he did at a higher weight class. In order to surpass Fedor as P4P GOAT, he has to prove himself at HW. Otherwise he will remain #2. Being a natural LHW dominating HW (Fedor) will always trump being a natural HW dominating LHW (Jones). Simple as that.
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Yea, almost nobody agrees with that view. There is an ongoing argument that the 4 are Fedor, Jones, GSP, and Anderson. Very few try to argue that it can only be Fedor and no one else is even in the conversation.
 
MusterX said:
Yea, almost nobody agrees with that view. There is an ongoing argument that the 4 are Fedor, Jones, GSP, and Anderson. Very few try to argue that it can only be Fedor and no one else is even in the conversation.
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People have forgotten that GOAT means P4P GOAT and that size needs to be taken into account.
 
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