Social Confederate Robert E Lee statue of Charlottesville Melted Down to create new 'art'.

[Sinister]

You're putting the cart before the horse. Just because the south ceceeded over the fear of the end of slavery doesn't mean that the north fought to abolish it.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a war tactic and ending slavery was never really considered before then.

But to hear you tell it, the northern slave states were fighting to end slavery in their own states. A feat they could have accomplished without fighting.

In fact one might think that those northern slave states would have ended slavery in their own states before fighting to end it in the South. Just an obvious observation from anyone that realizes that 4 slave states fought for the north.

You have been given 2 referenced to Historical works that dismiss the notion that there was no regard for abolishing slavery among the Union Army before the Emancipation proclamation. In retort all you did was argue that SOME didnt have the same sentiment and go right back to repeating the claim. But let's entertain your notion for half a second:

If the North didnt give a f*ck about abolishing slavery then WHY would Lincoln use the Emancipation Proclamation as a "War Tactic?" That makes even less sense. Lincoln was under tremendous geopolitical pressure to end slavery, bot only did Union Soldiers want it abolished, and racists in the North, but the World did under threat of economic sanction against the US.

Again you're attempting to use the small fires approach. Yes some slave States remained in the Union, are you going to say why? You going to detail that each of those States was struggling between Union loyalists and Confederates who had drafted articles of secession, but were unable to fully take control of the States? Or are you going to misrepresent the positions of the States to bolster an argument you already weren't making very well.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

You've never really been to south and no one really cares what color dudes their daughter dates as long as he's a good kid. The majority of people that fly that flag in the south do so for Southern Pride and Southern Tradition. White Supremacy had nothing to do with owning Black slaves as they just happened to be the cheapest labor to buy at the time. The farms down south would've been just as happy with Whites or Purple folks picking their cotton. But again we can all agree that the Slavery and the ships hitting our shores was Americas biggest mistake and we'd be so much better off if it never happened.

That is dishonest and factually inaccurate.
The Jim Crow, Civil Rights, & Affirmative Action eras that followed your white washed Confederacy prove you to be a liar.

Your last sentence is simply you going full mask off. Zip your fly your racism is showing.

Of course human rights violations seem insignificant when compared to nonsensical southern traditions to people who want to minimize them. Rewrite your own history not mine.

 

[Lucas1980]

That is dishonest and factually inaccurate.
The Jim Crow, Civil Rights, & Affirmative Action eras that followed your white washed Confederacy prove you to be a liar.

Your last sentence is simply you going fullmask off. Zip your fly your racism is showing.

Of course human rights violations seem insignificant when compared to nonsensical southern traditions to people who want to minimize them. Rewrite your own history not mine.

I stated a fact that we can all agree on that Slavery is bad and America would be better off in every aspect if Slavery never existed here in the first place and I don't know how you can construe that as being "Wacist".

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Is English a 2nd language for you? A moral "crime" isn't an actual crime.

It's like saying that grounding your child for dating someone you don't approve of is a moral crime --- you can't actually be charged with a crime.

It is. Crimes against humanity are a thing.
You walked right into a trap and want to play semantics to save face. It's a crime according to your own words. Is your memory poor?
How low is your I.Q.?

Care to move the goalpost back to the topic you are getting ragdolled on?

 

[Sinister]

I stated a fact that we can all agree on that Slavery is bad and America would be better off in every aspect if Slavery never existed here in the first place and I don't know how you can construe that as being "Wacist".

Pay attention to the rest of the thread. You dont need to agree with the institution of slavery to be a racist.

 

[Lucas1980]

Pay attention to the rest of the thread. You dont need to agree with the institution of slavery to be a racist.

It's hard to pay attention to this thread when its been all over the place so far and will most likely reach 50 more pages and could continue for 50 more. I could care less about accusations by anyone about being "Wacist" when the word itself basically has no more meaning anymore. But taking down Historical Statues is just childish and is a way for grown adults to throw a tantrum.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

I stated a fact that we can all agree on that Slavery is bad and America would be better off in every aspect if Slavery never existed here in the first place and I don't know how you can construe that as being "Wacist".

You stated no facts. Just a coward's shit take on racist hate symbols being used to represent insignificant non flag worthy stereotypes.
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A coward's way of saying you wish Blacks would go back to Africa.
Please.....
African Americans help make this country some of the great things it is today. So no, your xenophobia & racism isn't a fact.

 

[Sinister]

It's hard to pay attention to this thread when its been all over the place so far and will most likely reach 50 more pages and could continue for 50 more. I could care less about accusations by anyone about being "Wacist" when the word itself basically has no more meaning anymore. But taking down Historical Statues is just childish and is a way for grown adults to throw a tantrum.

The word "racist" absolutely has a meaning. The statues were not "Historical"...they were erected by racists to convey racism.

 

[Lucas1980]

You stated no facts. Just a coward's shit take on racist hate symbols being used to represent insignificant non flag worthy stereotypes.
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A coward's way of saying you wish Blacks would go back to Africa.
Please.....
African Americans help make this country some of the great things it is today. So no, your xenophobia isn't a fact.

If you view the statues of Historical men in America as "Racist Hate Symbols".....then you my friend are the actual coward. If the ships never hit our shores that doesn't mean Blacks wouldn't be in America by any means. 2nd generation Blacks from Africa and the West indies are some of the most prosperous American Immigrants and pillars of our society...so blacks would still be in America and welcomed as all legal immigrants are.

 

[Lucas1980]

The word "racist" absolutely has a meaning. The statues were not "Historical"...they were erected by racists to convey racism.

The statues are and were indeed "Historical" and the word racist has no meaning anymore as its been so diluted by liberals. But I say the true racists in America are indeed the Liberals.

 

[Sinister]

The statues are and were indeed "Historical" and the word racist has no meaning anymore as its been so diluted by liberals. But I say the true racists in America are indeed the Liberals.

They are not Historical, they were erected by raciststs to perpetuate the "lost cause"...the exemplify white supremacy and keep alive separatist sentiment.

No, racist absolutely has a meaning, but IRS interesting that you say it has NO meaning and then turn around and use it against Liberals. Not that I expect ideological consistency out of people like you

 

[Lucas1980]

They are not Historical, they were erected by raciststs to perpetuate the "lost cause"...the exemplify white supremacy and keep alive separatist sentiment.

No, racist absolutely has a meaning, but IRS interesting that you say it has NO meaning and then turn around and use it against Liberals. Not that I expect ideological consistency out of people like you

If Liberals want to throw the word racist at people they find to be conservative and disagree with then I'll throw the useless word right back at them. In fact no one even knows what "White Supremacy" even means anymore as its been diluted. Pretty soon these same Muppets that want statues of Lee to be taken down will be calling to have sports mascots changed or taking the faces of Mt Rushmore...

 

[WklySportsMemes]

If you view the statues of Historical men in America as "Racist Hate Symbols".....then you my friend are the actual coward. If the ships never hit our shores that doesn't mean Blacks wouldn't be in America by any means. 2nd generation Blacks from Africa and the West indies are some of the most prosperous American Immigrants and pillars of our society...so blacks would still be in America and welcomed as all legal immigrants are.

We are talking about ADOS in America that are citizens by birth. The vast majority of the Black population in America. Lol
You keep parroting the same debunked tropes. As you and the other apologist move the goalpost.
Historical doesn't mean they weren't racist. Adolf Hitler is historical, any Nazi propaganda is historical, the German appropriation of the Swastika is historical. Guess what? All still racist. LOL What a terrible argument.

Would you defend and D-ride for a statue of Hitler like you are for America's terrorists?
Would you defend a red flag with an appropriated black & white circled Swastika like you do a Confederate flag?

News flash the Confederate flag was created exclusively for the succession. In contrast, the Nazi's stole their symbol & imagery from other cultures and meanings that pre-date it. Yet in modern America nobody who isn't a certified nut-job bigot would defend it. Yet you use that same weak argument for a Confederate symbol that doesn't even have an alternative meaning or history.

 

[Sinister]

If Liberals want to throw the word racist at people they find to be conservative and disagree with then I'll throw the useless word right back at them. In fact no one even knows what "White Supremacy" even means anymore as its been diluted. Pretty soon these same Muppets that want statues of Lee to be taken down will be calling to have sports mascots changed or taking the faces of Mt Rushmore...

A racist is a person who upholds the idea that some people are born better than others dependent on a combination of their skin tone + "culture" and engages actively in the systemic oppression of people that aren't their own via denial of rights and/or access, establishing lower classes of citizenship based on those things. A white supremacist is a racist who either is part of the "white" in-group established in various Countries who believe that white people are inherently superior and that society should be structured accordingly, or a non-white person who supports and perpetuates that same notion.

Lol@equating a statue of a racist,separatist, traitor, erected specifically to keep those sentiments alive with a monument that contains a President he declared War on.

Sorry if someone's "whiteness" is threatened if statues of the worst kinds of white people are taken down, or if there arent enough men who look like them carved into the sides of f*ckin mountains. Scratch that, not sorry at all.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Lol really that os your answer AND. It just shows this so called south is racist came to be when people start to adopt it rebellious items as their own

Yeah, when shitty people adopt symbols, be they the KKK or the Nazis, then those symbols project a different meaning and are eschewed.

 

[Loiosh]

In fact no one even knows what "White Supremacy" even means anymore as its been diluted. Pretty soon these same Muppets that want statues of Lee to be taken down will be calling to have sports mascots changed or taking the faces of Mt Rushmore...

The only people saying they don't understand white supremacy are morons or people pretending to be morons.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

The only people saying they don't understand white supremacy are morons or people pretending to be morons.

Its like when skinheads get caught by themselves & they use the deflection of the Swastika having different meanings to different cultures, so they don’t get their ass beat. Then when they are safely driving away they yell out a racial slur & speed off....

 

[Super_Nintendo]

He did not die of a drug overdose. You are lying so bolster your personal narrative. The autopsy clearly states the cause of death as homicide.

homicide just means someone caused it. if someone runs into you by accident on the sidewalk and you fall and crack your head on the pavement and die, they label it a homicide, but it's not necessarily illegal.

also floyd OD'd. he himself, open borders, and china killed him.

"if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death"

 

[Sinister]

homicide just means someone caused it. if someone runs into you by accident on the sidewalk and you fall and crack your head on the pavement and die, they label it a homicide, but it's not necessarily illegal.

also floyd OD'd. he himself, open borders, and china killed him.

"if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death"

You described manslaughter, genius. If Chauvin had committed manslaughter, the charge would have been manslaughter. He was charged with murder because of the clear intent of remaining on Floyd who was in clear distress. No premeditation mean 2nd degree murder. He did NOT die of an overdose:

"The medical examiner found that Floyd's heart stopped while he was being restrained and that his death was a homicide,[64][65] caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression",[2] though fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use may have increased the likelihood of death.[66][67] A second autopsy, commissioned by Floyd's family,[68][69] also found his death to be a homicide, specifically citing asphyxia due to neck and back compression;[70][68][71] it ruled out that any underlying medical problems had contributed to Floyd's death,[72] and said that Floyd being able to speak while under Chauvin's knee does not mean he could breathe."

He was motionless with no pulse under Chauvin, who stayed on top of him for 2 more minutes. Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd, no viable conspiracies or controversies about it.

 

[Andy Capp]

homicide just means someone caused it. if someone runs into you by accident on the sidewalk and you fall and crack your head on the pavement and die, they label it a homicide, but it's not necessarily illegal.

also floyd OD'd. he himself, open borders, and china killed him.

"if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death"

LMAO @ "and if there were no other contributing factors" well duhhh
If you take away the circumstances that actually killed him and then found him dead anyway you'd never suspect he was killed by those particular circumstance. Genius.


What a pathetic loser you are to trot out this nonsense.