Comic book fans are A-Holes

[RetiredSlave]

Fan is short for fanatic. True story.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Bud?

Bud Fox from Wall Street?

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

title: comic book fans are assholes
content: OP comes out as a comic fan but says he is not a comic fan.

Lol, ahhaahhaa. Seriously though a good portion of the fan base are near impossible to make happy.

They don't even like comics but collect them. I don't understand that at all.

I like comics and don't really complain much about them at all

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

To be fair kong alot of complaints are over shlock like to killing off popular characters to replace them with random minorities, or reversing 80 years of continuity so they can have a random plot twist. A lot of comic fans are whiny bitches, but the big two do suck really bad right now. I think comics right now are laregly unreadable and the worst they've been in about 50 years.

Mike the problem is after 50 plus years the creators have to mix things up or it's the same old story lines over and over.


To be fair there was no internet during the Image wave of the 90s and hardcore comic fans crapped all over that as well.

Comic fans are tough to make happy. Very tough

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

People need to read the forums over at

Comicbookresources.

Almost every thread is filled with people who hate the comic books.

If you hate something why continue to collect the title. The only reason is to bitch and feel relevant on some wack ass website

 

[DIABOLUS]

Well, what do you want me to say? I was blessed to have been 10 years old in 1992, so I got to experience the golden age of comics firsthand. It's only natural that I would want the comics to not betray those great storylines, and for the movies to pattern themselves after some of the best publications in the industry's history.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Well, what do you want me to say? I was blessed to have been 10 years old in 1992, so I got to experience the golden age of comics firsthand. It's only natural that I would want the comics to not betray those great storylines, and for the movies to pattern themselves after some of the best publications in the industry's history.

Problem is a lot of that stuff might night translate wel to the Silver screen.

I like that marvel kinda mixed the ultimate universe and the regular 616 and made some quasi movie universe.

 

[DIABOLUS]

Problem is a lot of that stuff might night translate wel to the Silver screen.

I like that marvel kinda mixed the ultimate universe and the regular 616 and made some quasi movie universe.

Marvel has done a pretty good job of staying true to the original bright, colorful costumes, and balancing humor with more serious thematic elements. They've done it so well that they've been able to introduce non-comic book fans to B-level heroes ("B-level" as in "not famous") like Ant-Man and GotG and actually turn a profit. And pretty soon, Dr. Strange and Black Panther will follow suit.

I just wish Fox would trust in the source material more and give it a chance as Marvel has with their properties. This isn't 1989 anymore. Comic book movies are a proven, profitable venture.

 

[Mike]

Mike the problem is after 50 plus years the creators have to mix things up or it's the same old story lines over and over.


To be fair there was no internet during the Image wave of the 90s and hardcore comic fans crapped all over that as well.

Comic fans are tough to make happy. Very tough

I get that they need new ideas. The problem is stuff like replacing spiderman, hulk, captain america, iron man etc.

Fans don't want to see iconic characters just tossed aside. Create new compelling characters while keeping the old characters around.


All the recent changes reek of cash grab, and old school fans are justifiably pissed about it.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

I get that they need new ideas. The problem is stuff like replacing spiderman, hulk, captain america, iron man etc.

Fans don't want to see iconic characters just tossed aside. Create new compelling characters while keeping the old characters around.


All the recent changes reek of cash grab, and old school fans are justifiably pissed about it.

I don't disagree with this notion but the comic book fanboys were complaining Waaaaaaaay before this even happened. I will admit I do love the legacy characters but I have no problem making room for new "legacy" characters either. But I do think they could coexist at the same time.


If you wanna see a shit storm you should've been on a comic book forum during Bendis original Run on New Avengers starting with Avengers Disassembeled.

Holy shit was this the icing on the cake for old school fans. If you went on a forum almost EVERYONE was talking about this like it was the biggest slap in the face they ever received. They HATED IT. Sure there were members who liked the new direction but the hardcore fanboys Fn loathed it.

Guess what Mike, the comic sales during Bendis run were through the roof for marvel. Also Bendis was the comic book worlds top #1 writer for almost 10 years. So obviously people LOVED IT but you would never know thst talking to salty old comic book fans.

Ive been a comic book fan almost all my life and there is one thing I know, "comic book fans are the hardest to please, they micro-scrutinize everything."

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Marvel has done a pretty good job of staying true to the original bright, colorful costumes, and balancing humor with more serious thematic elements. They've done it so well that they've been able to introduce non-comic book fans to B-level heroes ("B-level" as in "not famous") like Ant-Man and GotG and actually turn a profit. And pretty soon, Dr. Strange and Black Panther will follow suit.

I just wish Fox would trust in the source material more and give it a chance as Marvel has with their properties. This isn't 1989 anymore. Comic book movies are a proven, profitable venture.

We're both similar in age Diablous, give or take a few years. You must remember the Image wave of the 90s. Young people thought it was awesome!!!!!!! But guess who hated it, old salty ass "real comic fans." The ones who won't budge, or give an inch regarding what THEY want to see in their books. You heard shit about the artists, they draw "far to different," from what the hardcore Fans were used too. "It's not George Perez or John Byrne," when the kids wanted, Liefield. Silvestri, Lee, McFarlane.

Then years later you had different style of artists come up that stressed Manga, and the hardcores didn't like it. Jump in time some more and we get the British Invasion, most importantly Warren Ellis. He basically popularized the de-compression style of writing comics that is now the "norm." It's basically writing a comic book like its a movie. Very rarely do you see a one and done story, or something that takes 2 issues to start and finish a storyline. What you see is de-compression. Guess what, the hardcores still find a away to complain about wanting to go back to a better time in comics.


It's a weird contradiction of sorts, sales go up but hardcores can't say enough negativity about it.

 

[A Pennysworth]

As a fan of comics TS all I have to say is

Also Fuck You!

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Comic Book idiots, are idiots, because they pay $4 an issue.

When Disney bought out Marvel and comics went up to $3, I still bought a few here and there. But when they bumped up to $4, no way.

 

[DIABOLUS]

We're both similar in age Diablous, give or take a few years. You must remember the Image wave of the 90s. Young people thought it was awesome!!!!!!! But guess who hated it, old salty ass "real comic fans." The ones who won't budge, or give an inch regarding what THEY want to see in their books. You heard shit about the artists, they draw "far to different," from what the hardcore Fans were used too. "It's not George Perez or John Byrne," when the kids wanted, Liefield. Silvestri, Lee, McFarlane.

Then years later you had different style of artists come up that stressed Manga, and the hardcores didn't like it. Jump in time some more and we get the British Invasion, most importantly Warren Ellis. He basically popularized the de-compression style of writing comics that is now the "norm." It's basically writing a comic book like its a movie. Very rarely do you see a one and done story, or something that takes 2 issues to start and finish a storyline. What you see is de-compression. Guess what, the hardcores still find a away to complain about wanting to go back to a better time in comics.


It's a weird contradiction of sorts, sales go up but hardcores can't say enough negativity about it.

It's funny you mention Image Comics. I actually didn't like them back then, as a kid, mostly because it felt like they were ripping off a lot of Marvel characters. Spawn was the only high-profile title that felt original and fresh. The Wildcats and Youngblood were X-Men ripoffs. Savage Dragon was their Incredible Hulk. Witchblade was just a female Venom.

Art-wise, I loved Jim Lee's run on the X-Men (best looking costumes by FAR, and I wanted to fuck his rendition of Psylocke so badly). Adam Kubert and Andy Kubert were my other two favorites. For writing, Chris Claremont of course.

After a while I got burned out on American comics and was exposed to "Japanimation" and "Manga. This was around 1995 and my eyes were opened to a new world of comics and animation that was more mature and violent, like nothing I'd ever seen. The Akira and Ghost in the Shell movies were the first two anime I saw, and I was hooked from then on out. American comics from the late 90's up don't do it for me. It's all 80's to mid-90's, and anime/manga.

It's funny but the same decline in quality is also happening in anime with the advent of digital coloring. The art looks simpler now, less detailed, and looks cheaper than ever. Best example I've seen lately is Dragonball Super when compared to Dragonball Z back in the 90's.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Comic Book idiots, are idiots, because they pay $4 an issue.

When Disney bought out Marvel and comics went up to $3, I still bought a few here and there. But when they bumped up to $4, no way.

yeah but if you want big named artists and crossover writers you're gonna have to pay for them.

 

[Loiosh]

The thing that annoys me is that they get so pissed when a movie or a show doesn't follow the comic 100%. If it's a little different they bitch. For example, I'm a huge fan of the show preacher. But when I go to forums to discuss it with people, comic fans bitch about how it's so different from the novel. Bugs the shit out of me.

Movies are a different medium.

Film makers and television show runners are trying to make the best film or show possible from the source material. Being faithful to that material is not the primary concern.

 

[Loiosh]

Comic Book idiots, are idiots, because they pay $4 an issue.

When Disney bought out Marvel and comics went up to $3, I still bought a few here and there. But when they bumped up to $4, no way.

I jumped when they hit a dollar.

When I started buying them, they were a quarter.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

yeah but if you want big named artists and crossover writers you're gonna have to pay for them.

Not really.

I wanted good writers and artists are overrated.

'Big names' are mostly overrated.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Not really.

I wanted good writers and artists are overrated.

'Big names' are mostly overrated.

Explain to me how big time artists are overrated.

And this is the perfect example of what I mean. You don't care about big name artists while millions of comic book fans do care. Big name creators make the company money and sell issues.

See how fickle comic book fans are, how can you complain about th best art money can buy in regards to comic book talent.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Explain to me how big time artists are overrated.

And this is the perfect example of what I mean. You don't care about big name artists while millions of comic book fans do care. Big name creators make the company money and sell issues.

See how fickle comic book fans are, how can you complain about th best art money can buy in regards to comic book talent.

I said mostly overrated. There's a few I keep an eye on, but that doesn't mean I buy everything with their name on it.

I was a casual comic book fan, picking up a few a month for the smaller characters I cared to see, usually not given the luxury of the big named artists and writers.

So, when the Disney buyout happened and the comics prices went up to $3, I'm like "I'm out."

I'll read online summaries of the characters I particularly care for.