Comic Book Discussion Thread V.16

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Discuss all things comic books in here, cept for movies and fantasy match ups. Movie threads are made mostly by Dragon, and here's the link for the versus thread:

Official comic book vs thread

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Creepy Scarlett

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Dragonlord's Recommendations



THE ULTIMATES Book 1 and 2 by Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch

- Marvel's modern reimagining of the Avengers' origin. It's gritty, realistic, funny, and thoroughly entertaining. Noticed how the Hulk comes to town or a city and destroys it but with no human casualty? F*ck that shit. This Hulk version kills 800 people in Manhattan in just a few minutes. Book 1 volume 2 is the best when the team defend against an alien invasion. Warning: Stay away from Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum, it's total crap.

Will back up this claim, the Ultimates is/was awesome.

Freakin fantastic. Ultimates takes the heroes you loved as kids, and makes it possible to love them as an adults. Then, it makes you love marvel's premier super team more as an adult than you ever could have as a kid.

Finally got around to reading Ultimates 3. Now I know what all the fuss was about. Only good thing in that train-wreck is a silhouette of Scarlet Witch's mother, Magda.

Hippie Thor, republican Captain America and playboy drunk Tony (the movie version is closer to ultimate than how he usually is/was in regular MU) is what makes the ultimates great.

I enjoyed all the characters and their dynamics in the first two volumes myself. Pretty epic.

Ultimates vol 1 and 2 are must reads. It's an awesome book.

I just started reading The Ultimates vol. 1 like this thread recommends. The Ultimates vol. 1 and vol. 2 was the shit! Man, why can't Mark Millar write stories like this anymore? I mean, I liked Kick-Ass and all, but this was fucking awesome! I liked Ultimates vol. 1 story as a whole, but I like the final battle in Ultimates vol. 2 better. Felt bad for Banner in both books. Made for an awesome redemption story later. Hulk was pretty fucking hilarious. I loved the Hulk.

So, I've been on a total Ultimate-binge recently. Can't believe I haven't read anything of it before. Goddamn awesome stuff. So, regarding The Ultimates and Ultimate Avengers. I fucking love Captain America! He's the bees tits.

Ultimates vol 1 and 2 were both excellent

Very quality series. Easily one of the better runs I have read. You bastards really spoiled me with these series. I thought 2 was even better then 1. Captain America is a goddamn badass. Hawkeye is a goddamn badass. Funny, gritty, all around enjoyable series.

OLD MAN LOGAN by Mark Millar and Steve McNiven

- Set over fifty years in the future in which the world's supervillains band together to finally kill all the superheroes. An older Wolverine, who is now a pacifist and content in raising his family on a farm, is forced to accompany a blind Hawkeye to pay off the Hulk hillbilly clan for the land's rent. The duo travel across a post-apocalyptic America to deliver a secret package that might give the good guys a fighting chance to reclaim the country. Also the best road trip comic book ever made.

Uh, yeah DL. You weren't kidding. Old Man Logan was fuckin' AWESOME. Tons of fun. I haven't liked McNiven's art in some other stuff but it was perfect for the tone of this series.

OML was awesome.

Millar's 'Old Man Logan' on the otherhand was the tits.

Old Man Logan is awesome.

Old Man Logan is very good.

ASTONISHING X-MEN #1 to #24 by Joss Whedon and John Cassaday

- Winner of multiple prestigious Eisner Awards, Joss Whedon and John Cassaday's Astonishing X-Men was a smash hit with critics and fans alike from the very first issue - winning praise from dozens of top media outlets including Entertainment Weekly, Publishers Weekly, TV Guide, and New York Magazine, as well as racking up nearly every major comic-book industry award. Whedon and Cassaday assembled a tight cast - Cyclops, the Beast, Wolverine, and Emma Frost, joined by returning fan-favorite Kitty Pryde - and set forth a groundbreaking pace, from the opening pages of a Sentinel attack to the unexpected return of a beloved X-Man. Then, building on early momentum, they ratcheted up the danger and drama with a shocking second year, creating a must-read book that can truly be called "astonishing!"

Wow! Astonishing X-Men sure had a drop off after Whedon.

Very good. I enjoyed it a lot.

Yeah, Astonishing X-Men was great! I managed to read the trades out of order and still loved it.

A must read.

Forgot to say, read Whedon's X-Men. Enjoyed it even though I generally don't enjoy X-Universe stories. Very nice.

THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS by Frank Miller

- The book that revolutionized the comic book industry. Writer extraordinaire Frank Miller told the pen-ultimate Batman story during 1986 where a 55-year old Bruce Wayne comes out of his decade-retirement to become Gotham City's champion once again.

BATMAN: YEAR ONE by Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli

After the success of The Dark Knight Returns, Frank Miller goes on a 180 and tells the origin of Batman and James Gordon. The story is so fantastic that many have accepted as a canon. This might be a Batman book but James Gordon steals the show with his tale of battling police corruption as well as his own immoral dilemma.

DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN by Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli

- The best Daredevil story (in some cases, best story period) ever told. It's about Daredevil fall after the Kingpin discovers his true identity and how DD rebuilds himself and his beloved city. Before Frank Miller changed the comic book landscape with The Dark Knight Returns, he first re-invented Daredevil. From being a joke, made him into Marvel's most popular character.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

WATCHMEN by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons

- Hailed as the greatest graphic novel of all time, Watchmen has had a staying power in the realm of comics for quite some time. It is thought of as not just a comic, but literature and has been used in college courses and been the source of discussions the world over. This comic officially helped end the age of comic innocence and ushered in a new thought of how comic books could be told and presented to the world.

FABLES by Bill Willingham and various artists

- Fables is an excellent series in the tradition of Sandman, one that rewards careful attention and loyalty. The series deals with various characters from fairy tales and folklore – referring to themselves as "Fables" – who have been forced out of their Homelands by "The Adversary" who has conquered the realm. The Fables have traveled to our world and formed a clandestine community in New York City known as Fabletown.

FREAKANGELS by Warren Ellis and Paul Duffield

- FreakAngels is a free weekly webcomic created by Eagle Award-winning writer Warren Ellis. The story: 23 years ago, twelve strange children were born in England at exactly the same moment. 6 years ago, the world ended. This is the story of what happened next. Amazing detailed characters, terrific group dynamics, hilarious, and most important of all it's FREE! Go to freakangels.com

PREACHER by Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon

- The story follows an ex-preacher man, Jesse, who has become disgusted with God’s abandoning of His responsibilities. So Jesse starts off into the wilds of Texas with his hitman girlfriend and new best friend (a vampire) to find God so that he can give Him a piece of his mind. Despite its superficial perversity, this book contains what may be the most moral character in mainstream comics.

PUNISHER MAX by Garth Ennis and various artists

- Now famous volume noted for Garth Ennis writing. It was critically acclaimed, cited for its realistic, uncompromising stories. Taking advantage of the freedom of a MAX setting, Ennis explored concepts of violence and revenge and how they spiral out of Frank Castle's quest to affect everyone around him.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

UNCANNY X-MEN #94 to #247 by Chris Claremont and various artists

- When a young writer named Chris Claremont took over X-Men in 1976, few fans could predict the incredible impact he would have on the Marvel Comics series. With a flair for realistic dialogue, heartfelt storylines and hard-hitting action, Claremont's writing breathed life into the characters. In collaboration some of the best artists in the business, Claremont crafted a run still heralded as a definitive era on the book. X-Men became more than just another super-hero title: this diverse cast of mutants fighting against prejudice and intolerance has resonated in the hearts of millions of devoted readers.

THE NEW MUTANTS #1 to #75 by Chris Claremont and various artists

- The New Mutants was an attempt to recreate Uncanny's success by introducing an all-new team of ethnically diverse young heroes and it succeeded brilliantly and on several levels.

THE MIGHTY THOR #337 to #382 by Walt Simonson

- Considered by many to be the greatest run on Thor ever, Walt Simonson's classic tales of the God of Thunder are collected here-completely remastered from the original artwork and newly colored by Steve Oliffe! And there are too many timeless tales to count: The Casket of Ancient Winters! The death of Odin! The origins of Asgard! The sacrifice of the Executioner! Thor as a frog! The Mutant Massacre!

JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL #1 to #50 by Keith Giffen, J.M. DeMatteis and various artists

- The best Justice League version ever! Writers Keith Giffen and J. M. DeMatteis destined to shake up not only the Justice League, but the nature of comic books in general. In an era when comics were going for "grim-and-gritty", they decided to opt for jokes and slapstick. Giffen and DeMatteis didn't have access to Superman, Wonder Woman and Flash. Those characters were undergoing editorial renovation. Their solution? Populate the League with second-rank heroes, those guys nobody seemed to really love, like Black Canary, Blue Beetle, Mister Miracle and (later) Captain Atom, Power Girl and others. Giffen and DeMatteis not only rescued these characters from their fates as perpetual walk-on players...they actually endowed each of them with recognizable personalities. They took a bunch of backup heroes and breathed life into them.

MARVELS by Kurt Busiek and Alex Ross

In 1994, Marvels was the breakthrough work for both of its creators: a worm's-eye view of the spectacle of Marvel comics history - 35 years of glorious superheroes and terrifying super-disasters, told from the perspective of Phil Sheldon, a newspaper photographer who's experienced "the marvels" from ground level. Renowned artist Ross's rich, lush, nearly photorealistic style (he painted all the major characters from photographs of models) made his reputation - and the book - a landmark. The story, too, suggests a sort of grandeur that had largely slipped away from superhero comics by the early '90s, even as it describes the helplessness that normal people might feel in the presence of angel-winged mutants and rapacious gods from outer space.

 

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X-FACTOR Vol.3 by Peter David

In the fallout from House of M and following the surprise film-noir hit Madrox, a new mutant team is forged! X-Factor is an investigative mutant agency that includes Madrox, the Multiple Man; Guido, the Strong Guy; Wolfsbane, the shape-shifter; Siryn, the chorus girl; Rictor, the living earthquake; and Generation X's Monet, the pompous witch. Drawn together in the heart of District X, this rag-tag band of heroes has a lot of answers to find, and fast!

X-FORCE Vol.3 by Craig Kyle and Chris Yost

There are lines that the X-Men have sworn never to cross. But after the shocking events of Messiah CompleX, Cyclops realizes that some enemies need to be dealt with permanently - and the X-Men can never know about it! Enter Wolverine, Warpath, X-23, and Wolfsbane - X-Force!

UNCANNY X-FORCE by Rick Rememder and Jerome Opena

X-Force is a black-ops squad led by Wolverine that operates in secret from the X-Men. Officially disbanded, the small band of killers tackles the dirty assignments that the main X-squadrons cannot handle. The X-Men do not kill; X-Force does, and quite willingly. Writer Rick Remender grabs the reins from Craig Kyle and Christopher Yost, previous X-Force scribes, to relaunch the series from square one and hits the ground running.

ELEKTRA: ASSASSIN by Frank Miller and Bill Sienkiewicz

- A trippy psychedelic action adventure starring Marvel's popular anti-heroine. It starts out very confusing but stick with it and it'll reward you with the most wildest politically incorrect action-packed book during that time.

KINGDOM COME by Mark Waid and Alex Ross

- Set some twenty years into the future of the then-current DC Universe, it deals with a growing conflict between "traditional" superheroes, such as Superman, Wonder Woman, and the Justice League, and a growing population of largely amoral and dangerously irresponsible new vigilantes. Between these two groups is Batman and his assembled team, who attempt to contain the escalating disaster, foil the machinations of Lex Luthor, and prevent a world-ending superhuman war.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

HAWKEYE by Matt Fraction and David Aja

AVENGERS ARENA

 

[Ocean Chief]

Time for some PROPER recommendations... :icon_chee



Copra

They're ugly. They're mean. But up until today, they've always been loyal. So when one of their own betrays them, the men and women of COPRA have no choice but to turn their nightmarish skills back on everyone who ever looked at them funny. Collecting the first six issues of Michel Fiffe's super-hero revenge series focusing on the exploits of the COPRA team, a group of super-powered vigilantes and mercenaries betrayed by one of their own and hunted by the US government.

 

[Ocean Chief]

Glory: The Complete Saga

THE ACCLAIMED APOCALYPTIC WAR SAGA COLLECTED IN ITS ENTIRETY! Ross Campbell (Wet Moon, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) and Joe Keatinge (Marvel Knights: Hulk) collect their critically-acclaimed and brutally told saga of one warrior and her family torn apart by a millennia-old intergalactic war. This is the complete story, collected in its entirety for the very first time in a deluxe, oversized hardcover edition, packed with never-before-seen sketchbook material, scripts, commentary, and interviews.

 

[Ocean Chief]

Manhunter: The Special Edition

When former big-game hunter and intelligence officer Paul Kirk was trampled by an elephant in the African outback, it seemed as if the legendary adventurer's life had come to a poetic close. But when a fanatical organization called the Council repaired and altered Kirk, he began a new chapter in his existence. In the international conspiracy adventure Manhunter: The Special Edition, Kirk breaks free of the Council's confines and vows to destroy their evil organization. Enhanced with greater reflexes and a miraculous healing factor, the Manhunter is joined by a female Interpol agent and Batman as he sets out on his mission to destroy his Council-serving clones and thwart their plot of world domination.

Deadshot: Beginnings

Deadshot, the assassin for hire who never misses, faces new and deadly challenges in this new collection. Spinning out of the hit 1980s series SUICIDE SQUAD, this bullet-ridden tale sends Deadshot on a solo missing to kill a crime boss known as El Jefe - only to learn that the men who sent him on this mission have ulterior motives. And while Deadshot stalks his prey, his therapist is trying to uncover what drives him to kill.

 

[Ocean Chief]

Prophet

On distant future Earth, changed by time and alien influence, John Prophet awakens from cryosleep. His mission: to climb the the towers of Thauili Van and restart the Earth empire. But, news of the Empire's return brings old foes and allies out of the recesses of the vast cosmos.

 

[Ocean Chief]

Hawkworld

Katar Hol is a young police officer on the planet Thanagar, and a child of a privileged family. But his homeworld has a policy of conquering and mining other worlds for their resources to maintain its high standard of living, turning the natives of the captured worlds into Thanagar's own slaves and ghettoed underclass. When Hol learn's of his father's secret life, he realizes something is rotten in the system. He is set up for murder and sent into exile, undergoing a painful withdrawal from the legal narcotics that the elite class enjoy every day.

10 years later, he is pardoned, reinstated and partnered with Shayera Thal, a tough young female officer from a lower class of society, to uncover and defeat the renegade police captain Byth, while trying to hide his own secret subversive activities...

 

[Ocean Chief]

Suicide Squad: From the Ashes

Written by John Ostander Art by Javier Pina, Robin Riggs and Jesus Saiz Cover by John K. Snyder III The Suicide Squad makes its triumphant return in this new volume collecting the recent miniseries. But how did team leader Rick Flag Jr. survive a ground-zero nuclear blast and return from the dead?

 

[Ocean Chief]

Batman Year 100

Visionary writer/artist Paul Pope presents a futuristic mystery of epic proportions set in a dark, dystopian world devoid of privacy and filled with government conspiracies, psychic police, holographic caller ID and absolutely no room for "secret identities."

In Gotham City, 2039, a federal agent is murdered and a contingent of Washington's top agents is hot on the suspect's trail. The Batman, a forgotten icon from the past, is wanted for the murder. Amid the chaos Gotham City Police Detective Gordon, grandson of the former commissioner, discovers that the man they are chasing shouldn't exist at all.

 

[Ocean Chief]

The Authority

After witnessing the demise of most of her StormWatch teammates, Jenny Sparks wants to create a new super hero team dedicated to protecting Earth against threats of a global scale. Joined by former StormWatch members Jack Hawksmoor and Shen Li-Min, Jenny recruits four new members, the Doctor, the Engineer, Apollo, and the Midnighter forming the ultra-powerful Authority. Collected in this edition are their first two missions, battling a nation of super-powered terrorists and stopping an invasion from a parallel world.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

So I just finished:

The latest issue of Uber

The Boys - all issues

And the entire series: Locke and Key.

I love these stories. Uber is my favorite of the bunch. Anyone else read these or currently reading them?

 

[kuromusha]

A Star Trek/Green Lantern crossover? Looks fun

 

[FutureMod]

My new campaign is up if anyone would check it out. I want to keep it creator owned and try make it successful that way. It's had lots of reviews now but I just concentrate most my efforts on making the books just now. After these I plan to get an animated series and movie series of it going....in time.

Packed full of interesting characters, incredible villains, and a remarkable story. - http://wethenerdy.com/comic_book_reviews-detail/creepy-scarlett-book-one-review/

The death & life of Creepy Scarlett - aka Book Two
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1473164285/the-death-and-life-of-creepy-scarlett

Book One contains the first 4 issues and is also available at the campaign.

 

[Frylock]

So in honor of the Daredevil Netflix series coming out on Friday, I figured I'd try to read a few of the big Daredevil stories in anticipation. Previously I had only read Daredevil #1.

So I started with this:

daredevil: Born again by frank miller and david mazzucchelli

- the best daredevil story (in some cases, best story period) ever told. It's about daredevil fall after the kingpin discovers his true identity and how dd rebuilds himself and his beloved city. Before frank miller changed the comic book landscape with the dark knight returns, he first re-invented daredevil. From being a joke, made him into marvel's most popular character.

Spoiler

Holy crap. I wasn't quite sure what to expect. Daredevil never much appealed to me before but this comic is a masterpiece. It's absolutely crazy and very dark, much darker then I expected going in. Definitely one of the more memorable comic arcs I've ever read.

Can anyone recommend any other "must-read" Daredevil arcs?

 

[minute bull]

BORN AGAIN is fine comics. And classic David Mazzucchelli, who is unparalleled.

Any of it associated with Frank Miller is my canon. ELEKTRA LIVES AGAIN as well as the above mentioned ASSASSIN, I feel, exceed the DAREDEVIL work in terms of heart and bravura. There is also the Kingpin centered LOVE AND WAR and Miller's origin in MAN WITHOUT FEAR.

But in term of all around Super Mario excellence, you just read the best thing first.

 

[Frylock]

BORN AGAIN is fine comics. And classic David Mazzucchelli, who is unparalleled.

Any of it associated with Frank Miller is my canon. ELEKTRA LIVES AGAIN as well as the above mentioned ASSASSIN, I feel, exceed the DAREDEVIL work in terms of heart and bravura. There is also the Kingpin centered LOVE AND WAR and Miller's origin in MAN WITHOUT FEAR.

But in term of all around Super Mario excellence, you just read the best thing first.

Dang I figured that was the case. I'm just trying to get another arc or two in before I start the TV show when it's released