Crime Cohen pleads guilty, says he lied

[andnowweknow]

So does this mean Trump is going to jail, or going down in a blaze like Nixon?

Seems pretty obvious the only thing that will protect him from criminal prosecution, if he is not prosecuted of course, is that he is President. He has leverage to negotiate (on the DL but still) his presidency for his freedom.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

This is hilarious

1st ppl pretend now that Cohen is telling the truth n is trustworthy

2nd was it even illegal to do business with Russia? They’re basically going after the guy for doing something that’s not even illegal

N still 0 evidence of actual collusion

He isn't trustworthy, he's handing over all the evidence and information he has to receive leniency, and only corroborated teatimony is being used.

I don't know if trying to make a deal through the Russian government while running for president is illegal but lying about it publicly is unethical. The crime they seem to have evidence for is the payoffs to keep Stormy and McDougal's affairs secret to benefit his campaign.

As far as Russia is concerned there sure have been enough indictments and guilty pleas to indicate there was some type of collusion. If it never reached Trump himself is possible but so many of his associates seem to have had contacts that if Trump himself was involved it should surprise nobody.

 

[Andy Capp]

So does this mean Trump is going to jail, or going down in a blaze like Nixon?

In my perfect world, they'd march him and the whole crime family out of the white house in leg irons for the world to see, and he in particular would spend the rest of his miserable days in solitary with no one to worship him. More likely, as soon as one of them gets arrested (my money's on Jr. but I'll bet Kushner is more deserving of a jail stint) Trump will see the writing on the wall and agree to walk away in exchange for not being prosecuted once he leaves office. As I said the other day, Trump has shown that he will deny deny deny until it is impossible, then he will settle settle settle.

 

[andnowweknow]

Well, I feel when government threatens the family if person 1 don't do XYZ to be a bit out of mob playbook. Very effective obviously. If she did break serious laws, charge but they use prosecutorial discretion as a blackmail tool it's not very seemly, IMO.

Prosecutors can be vile assholes, for certain. But Cohen is a lifetime scammer and crook, if anyone put his family in the crosshairs, it was him.

 

[grizzard2bid]

Seems pretty obvious the only thing that will protect him from criminal prosecution, if he is not prosecuted of course, is that he is President. He has leverage to negotiate (on the DL but still) his presidency for his freedom.

I think his presidency is his freedom.lol He's gonna hold on for dear life, obviously.
You have to give Trump some credit for always pandering to his base- he never really pivoted and now, he's going to go ham on every core issue to the right.

Yes, there will be a long-long government shutdown for sure now.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Prosecutors can be vile assholes, for certain. But Cohen is a lifetime scammer and crook, if anyone put his family in the crosshairs, it was him.

"If you can't do the time..."

 

[Joe]

That term has been used only in one place :

CNN.

He was trumps personal lawyer for 20 years. You can't be this dense.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

That 36 month sentence for 9 counts??????????
And 2 months(!!!!) for lying to congress to be run concurrently, so essentially nothing.
Counting 45 days of good time/year, he'll do 2.5 years.
At this rate Manafort might get 5 years. Joke.

Manafort is fucked. It's surely better to spend life in a "country club" prison than getting whacked by the FSB though.

 

[andnowweknow]

I think his presidency is his freedom.lol He's gonna hold on for dear life, obviously.
You have to give Trump some credit for always pandering to his base- he never really pivoted and now, he's going to go ham on every core issue to the right.

Yes, there will be a long-long government shutdown for sure now.

it's definitely all political, if he can hold on to 30% or more of the country nothing will happen to him. If not, he's gonna get young Big Nog'd, under the bus and fucked.

 

[DEN]

Justice takes long in coming but boy howdy is it ever delicious:
https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/dec/12/trump-michael-cohen-latest-live-updates?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ==#aoh=15446383995594&csi=1&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/dec/12/trump-michael-cohen-latest-live-updates
Cohen to reveal more on Trump after Mueller inquiry, lawyer says – live
Seems like cohen is going to spill more beans as well

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Not much reduced. His guideline was 4-5 years. He could have pleaded guilty, refuse cooperate, and get 5 years, doing just over 4 years, but of course Trump would commute or pardon him(probably only commute cause he taped him and violated trust).

Cohen made a bad call.

My guess is Trump would not risk the backlash to pardon Cohen. He'd just expect him to take the bullet for him. Let's see of he tries pardoning Manafort.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Manafort is fucked. It's surely better to spend life in a "country club" prison than getting whacked by the FSB though.

People like us go to actual prison, must be nice

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

it's definitely all political, if he can hold on to 30% or more of the country nothing will happen to him. If not, he's gonna get young Big Nog'd, under the bus and fucked.

All political, meaning all the crimes were political?
Idk

 

[Ophydian]

Not much reduced. His guideline was 4-5 years. He could have pleaded guilty, refuse cooperate, and get 5 years, doing just over 4 years, but of course Trump would commute or pardon him(probably only commute cause he taped him and violated trust).

Cohen made a bad call.

Yea fuck that piece of shit Cohen. Should have stood tall.

Sad Americans here folks. Stand tall? I guess you feel the same with anyone who breaks the law? They should had stood tall?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I guess Trump knows "all about flippers and flipping."

I think he's gonna know a lot more about em soon

 

[andnowweknow]

All political, meaning all the crimes were political?
Idk

considering he's the president, he can use that as a negotiation tool in many aspects. Yes, his political support from the American public and congress will have a huge impact on what actually happens. Nixon essentially made an agreement to step down with the knowledge he would not be criminally prosecuted. Same thing will probably happen here in all likelihood.

 

[Ophydian]

Cohen said at sentencing that it was right for Trump to call him weak. Not for pleading guilty but for cleaning up his dirty work all these years.

Nothing worse than a scorned woman.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

considering he's the president, he can use that as a negotiation tool in many aspects. Yes, his political support from the American public and congress will have a huge impact on what actually happens. Nixon essentially made an agreement to step down with the knowledge he would not be criminally prosecuted. Same thing will probably happen here in all likelihood.

What the public thinks and whether it thinks the charges have merit won't matter one runny shit, and shouldn't.

 

[Quipling]

What do you think Cohen gave the FBI?

This is a discussed in pages 16-20 of the government's sentencing memorandum.

That's what Im assuming. He had nothing on Trump but they pinched him in a lie so they're trying to exploit the optics of it to make Trump look stinky.

The SDNY is not the SCO. The SDNY was prosecuting Cohen here, not the SCO. They explained on pages 18-19 of the sentencing memo that they are not happy with Cohen because, even though he cooperated with the SCO, his cooperation with their (ie, the SDNY)'s investigation was limited. In other words, he cooperated much more with respect to the Mueller investigation than he did with this one, which is why this one didn't want to cut him a break.

Also, they caught him on multiple counts of tax fraud and campaign finance violations, not just "a lie."

Not much reduced. His guideline was 4-5 years. He could have pleaded guilty, refuse cooperate, and get 5 years, doing just over 4 years, but of course Trump would commute or pardon him(probably only commute cause he taped him and violated trust).

Cohen made a bad call.

He would not have been subject to the same sentencing range with a simple guilty plea and no cooperation. It would have been higher, because the sentencing guidelines take things like that into account. He also would not have received the benefit of the plea agreement, in which both parties recognized that the SDNY could have charged him with additional crimes (which would have further increased his sentencing range) but was refraining from doing so in exchange for his promises to cooperate.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

considering he's the president, he can use that as a negotiation tool in many aspects. Yes, his political support from the American public and congress will have a huge impact on what actually happens. Nixon essentially made an agreement to step down with the knowledge he would not be criminally prosecuted. Same thing will probably happen here in all likelihood.

I think Trump would burst a blood vessel if he had to admit any kind of guilt.