CM Punk back in Rasslin'

[LeonardoBjj]

- I marked, bro's!

 

[GoldenAzazel]

I bet CM Punk as expecting an apology that never came no one extended the olive branch, from what I remember CM Punk was a big deal he changed the game, and vince didnt like him breaking kayfabe and exposing the favoritism. Im shocked AEW has grown the way it has so quickly are they any good? Whats the other one TNA? Are they still around?

I don't think it was to do with an apology tbh. He doesn't like how WWE run things and the people high up there, but with AEW he does. He's had friends telling him over the past 2 years about how working at AEW doesn't feel like a job, and when he saw how AEW handled Brodie Lee's death he knew it was a good place. He was really only waiting for fans to come back.

If you're a fan of keeping kayfabe, a roster full of 6ft2 and taller roided up men, and wrestling being a 100% serious product, then AEW probably isn't for you. If you like everything in wrestling like lucha, hardcore matches, comedy, work rate, long term storytelling, and a few bigger guys mixed in then you'll probably like AEW.

TNA are still going, but they're just called Impact now. AEW's world champion actually had a story where he went over to Impact won their titles, won the title down in Mexico, and was calling himself the belt collector.

 

[mmadeewana]

Aew stinks

jericho is fat old and slow,they brought in that loser nick gage. that asshole with his hands in pockets sucks. They basically are doing ironic wrestling for the internet loser mark generation, Its not supposed to be this fake.

how bloated has Jericho got now,he often gets winded during his matches,his theme is over,but my god the way he stands over there and milks it. He should be a manager now,and AEW should just stop with the factions. thier whole roster is teams or factions at this point.

 

[TidWell]

I don't think it was to do with an apology tbh. He doesn't like how WWE run things are the people high up there, but with AEW he does. He's had friends telling him over the past 2 years about how working at AEW doesn't feel like a job, and when he saw how AEW handled Brodie Lee's death he knew it was a good place. He was really only waiting for fans to come back.

If you're a fan of keeping kayfabe, a roster full of 6ft2 and taller roided up men, and wrestling be a 100% serious product, then AEW probably isn't for you. If you like everything in wrestling like lucha, hardcore matches, comedy, work rate, long term storytelling, and a few bigger guys mixed in then you'll probably like AEW.

TNA are still going, but they're just called Impact now. AEW's world champion actually had a story where he went over to Impact won their titles, won the title down in Mexico, and was calling himself the belt collector.

I havent watched wrestling in ages, what channel is AEW ill check it out

 

[GoldenAzazel]

I havent watched wrestling in ages, what channel is AEW ill check it out

TNT if you're in America. It's on Wednesdays and Fridays

 

[Peli]

I agree with what you are saying but he actually was a great wrestler though. Had a 5 star match with John Cena in WWE and tons of other really good matches.

Against Samoa Joe he had the first 5 star match in America since 1997. (In 2004)

Agree to disagree. No one ever said he was a great technical worker ever. He's a good story teller but he's not amazing in the ring. That's not to say he's not entertaining in the ring, he is.

You don't have to be a great worker to have a great wrestling match. You just have to tell a good story in the ring.

Lotta punks technique is very sloppy lol. In fact he's had that moniker of being a sloppy wrestler since ROH but like I said, moot point because he's a great story teller.

Nothing I'm saying here is controversial. Even on his WWE documentary, I forgot who's school he went to but even the guy said cm punk was sloppy. That's the first thing he noticed compared to the other guys.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

I don't think it was to do with an apology tbh. He doesn't like how WWE run things are the people high up there, but with AEW he does. He's had friends telling him over the past 2 years about how working at AEW doesn't feel like a job, and when he saw how AEW handled Brodie Lee's death he knew it was a good place. He was really only waiting for fans to come back.

If you're a fan of keeping kayfabe, a roster full of 6ft2 and taller roided up men, and wrestling be a 100% serious product, then AEW probably isn't for you. If you like everything in wrestling like lucha, hardcore matches, comedy, work rate, long term storytelling, and a few bigger guys mixed in then you'll probably like AEW.

TNA are still going, but they're just called Impact now. AEW's world champion actually had a story where he went over to Impact won their titles, won the title down in Mexico, and was calling himself the belt collector.

The beauty of the long term story-telling. They're literally having Hangman Page chase the title from Omega which has been 2 years in the making.

how bloated has Jericho got now,he often gets winded during his matches,his theme is over,but my god the way he stands over there and milks it. He should be a manager now,and AEW should just stop with the factions. thier whole roster is teams or factions at this point.

The purpose of Jericho (and the other factions) is to have the veterans giving rubs/legitimacy to the younger guys. Most wouldn't see Darby as a main eventer (smaller guy, high risk) but you pair him with Sting and oh shit people want to see Sting so they get to see how good Darby actually is. Same with every other faction having a veteran pairing with younger guys.

Though, I still do wish to see Broken Hardy done right

 

[GoldenAzazel]

Though, I still do wish to see Broken Hardy done right

Out of all the stuff AEW do, the supernatural stuff isn't one of them. Impact was probably the perfect place for Hardy to do the broken stuff and I don't think it'll ever be replicated. I'm happy Hardy gave us that hilarious build to Stadium Stampede though.

I think if Wyatt was gonna go anywhere he should go to Impact as well tbh

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Out of all the stuff AEW do, the supernatural stuff isn't one of them. Impact was probably the perfect place for Hardy to do the broken stuff and I don't think it'll ever be replicated. I'm happy Hardy gave us that hilarious build to Stadium Stampede though.

I think if Wyatt was gonna go anywhere he should go to Impact as well tbh

I've argued with friends IRL about that. I still think the logical step is him in AEW leading the Dark Order. He can come in as a friend of Brodie, claim the Order has been lost sheeps following a cowboy around since Brodie died. Start a program with Page. This allows Page to stay out of the title picture while Omega and Cage do their program. Have Page lose one on ones via interference (bring in Redbeard?). Eventually have Page go over in a cage match, that gets him out of the storyline and then he can jump into the title picture.

 

[TidWell]

TNT if you're in America. It's on Wednesdays and Fridays

I do miss the WCW era they were the only org that competed with wwe, then wwe bought them out.

 

[GoldenAzazel]

I've argued with friends IRL about that. I still think the logical step is him in AEW leading the Dark Order. He can come in as a friend of Brodie, claim the Order has been lost sheeps following a cowboy around since Brodie died. Start a program with Page. This allows Page to stay out of the title picture while Omega and Cage do their program. Have Page lose one on ones via interference (bring in Redbeard?). Eventually have Page go over in a cage match, that gets him out of the storyline and then he can jump into the title picture.

Problem is I don't think anybody in the Dark Order wants it, which is understandable imo

 

[GoldenAzazel]

I do miss the WCW era they were the only org that competed with wwe, then wwe bought them out.

If AEW continues this momentum they've been building they might be competitive in the ratings with RAW in the future. They already beat one of WWEs shows off Wednesday nights because they destroyed them in the reasons, and it's clear AEW are the biggest thing outside of WWE since WCW.

 

[Small Town Andrew]

Agree to disagree. No one ever said he was a great technical worker ever. He's a good story teller but he's not amazing in the ring. That's not to say he's not entertaining in the ring, he is.

You don't have to be a great worker to have a great wrestling match. You just have to tell a good story in the ring.

Lotta punks technique is very sloppy lol. In fact he's had that moniker of being a sloppy wrestler since ROH but like I said, moot point because he's a great story teller.

Nothing I'm saying here is controversial. Even on his WWE documentary, I forgot who's school he went to but even the guy said cm punk was sloppy. That's the first thing he noticed compared to the other guys.

He trained with Ace Steel and hes a little uncoordinated and unathletic I agree but he is a great technical wrestler who usually had great matches. He was not known for being sloppy in ROH. When he came to WWE and started using a lot of kicks and slaps and copied KENTAs moveset it got a little ugly. He was one of the best workers on the roster in ROH.. on a roster with Bryan Danielson, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels etc. He ended up being a pretty great worker.

I agree he has never screamed bad ass so I agree with that but he was a great technical wrestler in a pro wrestling sense

 

[Peli]

He trained with Ace Steel and hes a little uncoordinated and unathletic I agree but he is a great technical wrestler who usually had great matches. He was not known for being sloppy in ROH. When he came to WWE and started using a lot of kicks and slaps and copied KENTAs moveset it got a little ugly. He was one of the best workers on the roster in ROH.. on a roster with Bryan Danielson, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels etc. He ended up being a pretty great worker.

I agree he has never screamed bad ass so I agree with that but he was a great technical wrestler in a pro wrestling sense

I don't think he's a great technical wrestler. I don't think he's a great wrestler. I think he's a good wrestler and he was a great talker. Cena is not a great worker either. Cena workrate gets shitted on, but he was able to have elite matches with the best of them. You don't have to be a great worker to have great matches. You just have to be able to tell the story you want to tell. If Cena tried to wrestle like Kenny Omega, Cena would be exposed. Same for punk if he tried to wrestle like AJ styles. Or do anything remotely super athletic.

But I agree, the kicks when he got the the wwe was sloppy. He got influenced by MMA and japanese wrestling and started doing all that shit, it was very sloppy lol.


Being a good wrestler+ Great promo skils is a package most guys will kill to have. Most guys aren't going to be the kenny omegas, daniel bryans of the world.

 

[Peli]

First off all, i never said i ever believed he could win a fight. I said the opposite. I'm simply saying he damaged his own image. I really don't care about him, but many people did. And he was a ver good pro wrestler.

Disagree. He was an average wrestler, but his promo skills and the story he wanted to tell in the ring sold in some sense. There's a reason he got a 20min promo and not some action. The mic is what sells for CM Punk.

When you coupled that good wrestler, great promo skills, you can someone with a following like punk. That's enough to become a star, but I wouldn't say he was a great worker. That's just me, personally.

I don't think his image was hurt at all or much. I think AEW fans are smart fans that are in the know and able to separate prowrestling vs mma. Batista looked terrible in an MMA fight with a fat guy on the regional circuit. A match Batista won, but definitely didn't earn him any cool points lol.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Disagree. He was an average wrestler, but his promo skills and the story he wanted to tell in the ring sold in some sense. There's a reason he got a 20min promo and not some action. The mic is what sells for CM Punk.

When you coupled that good wrestler, great promo skills, you can someone with a following like punk. That's enough to become a star, but I wouldn't say he was a great worker. That's just me, personally.

I don't think his image was hurt at all or much. I think AEW fans are smart fans that are in the know and able to separate prowrestling vs mma. Batista looked terrible in an MMA fight with a fat guy on the regional circuit. A match Batista won, but definitely didn't earn him any cool points lol.

for me it's more of a package deal, but I get your point.

my line of thinking is, you can be a great technician but horrible with everything else, and you'll never be remembered as one of the greats.

on the other hand you can be a little sloppy and less technical but tell a great story in the ring, cut great promos, and you'll go down in history as a great "professional wrestler."

it's almost a semantics thing.

 

[TidWell]

If AEW continues this momentum they've been building they might be competitive in the ratings with RAW in the future. They already beat one of WWEs shows off Wednesday nights because they destroyed them in the reasons, and it's clear AEW are the biggest thing outside of WWE since WCW.

I couldn't get into TNA or impact at all it was horrible product they had it in those tiny ass 300 seat venues after UFC fights on Spike it was just bad.

But from the clips I seen of AEW it is worth checking out.

 

[Peli]

for me it's more of a package deal, but I get your point.

my line of thinking is, you can be a great technician but horrible with everything else, and you'll never be remembered as one of the greats.

on the other hand you can be a little sloppy and less technical but tell a great story in the ring, cut great promos, and you'll go down in history as a great "professional wrestler."

it's almost a semantics thing.

Yeah, the point is kinda moot, but that was not my original basis for my argument. My original basis was responding to a guy who said Punk ruined his image. I said, what Image? He was never a tough guy, hell he wasn't even a great wrestler. What makes you think he was going to turn into this tough dude in mma? I wanted him to succeed there, but I knew he wasn't the most athletic or the most technical. What we got is kinda what we expected. It was just wishful thinking to think otherwise.

If you want to say Punk is a great wrestler because he has "It" and is a decent promo, then by all means.

But I was just addressing the initial point made by another poster saying he ruined his image. I don't think he did. I don't think he was ever a tough guy, I don't think people saw him as that. He's more of a rebel, moody, straight edge guy. Basically, he's a modern hipster. Not saying that disparaging the guy, but he was an alternative and people loved him for that. Same with bryan who also was an alternative. He had an ecofriendly championship belt for God sakes lol.

CM Punk is more Kurt Cobain than he is say, Idk Cub Swanson. That's fine. Both are cool. He's a performer, not a fighter. His lane isn't fighting and never should have been, so how can that be held against him? I don't' think it can.

 

[SaigeVanZant]

How long until he is jobbing to Jungle Boy and Marko Short....

I wanna see Wardlow shoot on him

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

I couldn't get into TNA or impact at all it was horrible product they had it in those tiny ass 300 seat venues after UFC fights on Spike it was just bad.

But from the clips I seen of AEW it is worth checking out.

Do yourself a favor, go watch the Broken Hardy stuff from TNA/Impact. Complete gold