Elections Clinton vs. Trump Polls thread, v2

[My Spot]

There is nothing rational about voting for Hillary no matter who she is running against. If you believe voting for the most transparently corrupt candidate in political history is the way to go then own it.

Don't try to blame your vote on other people.

Well your party didn't give a lot of people much choice when they nominated a terrible pro wrestling gimmick with no experience.

 

[Space]

Well your party didn't give a lot of people much choice when they nominated a terrible pro wrestling gimmick with no experience.

Yeah, I'm sure he didn't build a real state empire, too.

Pull your head out of your ass.

 

[TheComebackKid]

First of all, I'm not a US citizen, so I'm not voting for anyone. I'm just expressing my opinion about something that affects everyone on the planet.

If our president is going to effect you and your opinion is that it should be Hillary...then own it.

Second of all, you continue to express your opinion as if they were facts, when the only fact is that most people in your own country disagree with you the same way I disagree with you. If Hillary was 1/10 as corrupt as you seem to think she is, the level of scrutiny the conservatives have subjected her to over the last 20 years would've turned something concrete by now, instead of the cavalcade of bullshit they keep grinding into the ground.

She is thoroughly corrupt lol and it has been laid bare for all who want to acknowledge it. I'm not even having a discussion about it.

Third of all, I am of the firm opinion that when it comes to electing a leader, the responsible thing to do is to vote for the most qualified of the viable options available, and that if that option is still not who you would like, you suck it up, vote for them and then get your ass to work so that in the next election there are better viable alternatives.

So if someone thinks Hillary is the most qualified candidate(never mind the fact she not even qualified to handle classified information LMAO) and viable option...then shouldnt that person own it?

 

[TheComebackKid]

Well your party didn't give a lot of people much choice when they nominated a terrible pro wrestling gimmick with no experience.

Then blame the DNC for not putting up a better candidate for you to reject Trump with. I would say blame the DNC voters but they aren't the ones who even chose Hillary. The blame should fall on the the DNC itself...if you are unhappy voting for Clinton that is.

 

[My Spot]

Then blame the DNC for not putting up a better candidate for you to reject Trump with. I would say blame the DNC voters but they aren't the ones who even chose Hillary. The blame should fall on the the DNC itself...if you are unhappy voting for Clinton that is.

This makes no sense at all considering Hilldog is comfortably beating Trump.

 

[TheComebackKid]

This makes no sense at all considering Hilldog is comfortably beating Trump.

I don't think your response makes much sense. Maybe reread and try again?

 

[My Spot]

I don't think your response makes much sense. Maybe reread and try again?

 

[TheComebackKid]

You are trying very hard and I find it amusing. That I can tell you.

 

[JadeOwl]

If our president is going to effect you and your opinion is that it should be Hillary...then own it.

Was me saying that voting for Hillary is the only reasonable, rational thing to do somehow too subtle for you to understand?

OK, how about this...

EVERY US CITIZEN SHOULD VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ON THE ELECTION WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE IN NOVEMBER. SHE IS THE MOST QUALIFIED OF THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE AND THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE WOULD BE AN UNQUALIFIED DISASTER FOR YOUR COUNTRY AND THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE.

Does that qualify as owning it your book?

She is thoroughly corrupt lol and it has been laid bare for all you want to acknowledge it. I'm not even having a discussion about it.

Perfectly understandable.

If I had to rely on the kind of evidence you guys have about Hillary's corruption I would be looking for every excuse available not to rehash it.

So if someone thinks Hillary is the most qualified candidate(never mind the fact she can't even be trusted with classified information) and viable option...then shouldnt that person own it?

Yes, they should. Like I have been repeating ad nauseam in this thread and others.

How exactly is that not clear to you?

 

[JadeOwl]

Then blame the DNC for not putting up a better candidate for you to reject Trump with. I would say blame the DNC voters but they aren't the ones who even chose Hillary. The blame should fall on the the DNC itself...if you are unhappy voting for Clinton that is.

The nearly 17 million US citizens who voted for her would beg to differ.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Was me saying that voting for Hillary is the only reasonable, rational thing to do somehow too subtle for you to understand?

OK, how about this...

EVERY US CITIZEN SHOULD VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ON THE ELECTION WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE IN NOVEMBER. SHE IS THE MOST QUALIFIED OF THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE AND THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE WOULD BE AN UNQUALIFIED DISASTER FOR YOUR COUNTRY AND THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE.

Does that qualify as owning it your book?

Yes, they should. Like I have been repeating ad nauseam in this thread and others.

How exactly is that not clear to you?

Well that is my only point so if you agree with me then say so and stop quoting me and challenging what I say.

 

[JadeOwl]

Well that is my only point so if you agree with me then say so and stop quoting me and challenging what I say.

 

[TheComebackKid]

The funny thing is I'm really believing that you don't know what words mean

 

[JadeOwl]

The funny thing is I'm really believing that you don't know what words mean

You are not making any sense.

What exactly is the point that you are trying to make?

 

[TheComebackKid]

You are not making any sense.

What exactly is the point that you are trying to make?

I've made it. Lead Salad suggesting it was the GOP's fault that Hillary may win the election by a landslide. I said it's not the GOP's fault but rather the people who pull the lever for Hillary. People who vote for Hillary need to own it and not blame it on the GOP.

You jumped in and disagreed...and then agreed. And now you're confused.

 

[Lead]

Right. They would rather have the most corrupt candidate in history with a track record of endless lies, scandal, pure failure. So blame them.

It's think you misunderstand where the larger cluster of voters are. Independents and almost every other group don't want trump and rather not vote, go third party, or vote Hillary. I highly doubt the GOP crowd is the later option. You can do the other side is bad argument all day long. That doesn't validate Trump. I judge him solely on his policies and character, nothing else. You're the one who blinds yourself by constantly talking about Clinton and pinning it to anyone who doesn't like trump. They are different arguments Sean.

 

[JadeOwl]

I've made it. Lead Salad suggesting it was the GOP's fault that Hillary may win the election by a landslide. I said it's not the GOP's fault but rather the people who pull the lever for Hillary. People who vote for Hillary need to own it and not blame it on the GOP.

I see now. Let me clarify my position.

1. When faced with two options, reasonable, rational, decent people will choose the one they think is better, or at least the least bad one.
2. If you present those people with A (an adequate, so-so option) on one hand and with a B (a repulsive unthinkable option) on the other hand, it is unfair to criticize people for choosing A.
3. In this scenario, the responsibility for the outcome doesn't lie with the people who chose A, because they are only following the only reasonable course of action. The fault lies with whoever picked options A and B and presented them to the people to chose.

In this case, it was the GOP that presented the electorate with an alternative so monumentally bad that they have left it no choice but to elect Hillary by a landslide.

Let me give you an example. A king has a commoner brought before him and gives him two options: Drink the cup of poison on your right or drink the bottle of vodka on you left. Whose fault is them that the commoner gets drunk? The commoner's or the king's?

 

[Lead]

Voting for Hillary is the only reasonable, rational thing to do in this election in the US when the alternative is such an odious, incompetent unqualified disaster.

And @Lead Salad 's point stands. The GOP have been demonizing Hillary Clinton for the better part of a quarter century, essentially making a lot of their made up bullshit stick in people's minds alongside Hillary's actual defects. She would've gone in to this election as one of the least liked candidates ever.

And the Republicans still managed to nominate a candidate so unqualified and so utterly repellent to people of both parties as to not only guarantee Clinton's victory, but also make it an utter landslide and probably cost them the Senate.

That takes a singular kind of incompetence.

She is the worst campaigner I've seen in recent elections and the GOP went full temper tantrum with making sure Hillary won this. The tea party all right has easily been the most responsible for the past century of liberal progress

 

[Madmick]

That's cool and all but you fail to realize many of those republicans and whites are not gonna vote for Trump. They are planning to write in someone else or vote Clinton.
She has 92% party unity while Trump has just 83%.

Same poll you are quoting shows Trump down by 8.

Trump doesn't even hold 70% support within the Republican party anymore.
Poll shows Trump losing support among home-state Republican
Trump whacked by more damaging polls

LMFAO, know what the plan is? It's a guaranteed winner:
G.O.P. Urges Donald Trump to Broaden Outreach to Black Voters

 

[TheComebackKid]

It's think you misunderstand where the larger cluster of voters are. Independents and almost every other group don't want trump and rather not vote, go third party, or vote Hillary. I highly doubt the GOP crowd is the later option. You can do the other side is bad argument all day long. That doesn't validate Trump. I judge him solely on his policies and character, nothing else. You're the one who blinds yourself by constantly talking about Clinton and pinning it to anyone who doesn't like trump. They are different arguments Sean.

We are talking about people owning their votes. I said nothing about validating trump or where the "cluster of voters" are. And my name is not Sean.

I'm also not pinning anything on anyone other than their own decisions. If a person pulls the lever for Clinton then they must own the shit show that will follow as well as the alarming trends toward eventual total loss of sovereignty. They have a choice to stop these trends right in their tracks. If they pass it up then the results are on them.