Elections Clinton vs. Trump Polls thread, v2

Who wins Florida on election day?


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You can subtract millenials from that number because they only participate in polls and petitions they can do from thier phones. They also go to protests but that's just to virtue signal to their peers that they are engaded.


Ultimately they care more about social media than social justice.
 
Probably the most interesting thing to come out of this election cycle is the dozens of articles and opinion pieces dedicated to understanding the motivations of the hardcore Trump supporters.

It paints a picture a group of mostly white Americans who the economy has moved past and society doesn't seem to value. The wildest part, to me at least, is the extent to which the economy and society never truly valued this group in the first place. They were always part of the underclass socially and economically. Yet for some reason, they associated themselves with economic and social success of the upper middle class.

What globalization and the recent Democrat success in the White House has finally laid bare is that they were never the beneficiaries of GOP policy - free trade, restriction of the minimum wage, lower taxes and cutting the social safety net. That this realization manifests itself in a desire for a strong, anti-establishment candidate isn't surprising.

What is surprising is that they haven't been voting for Democrats all these years when it's Democratic policies that would have largely protected their economic positions. Even the immigration argument doesn't really hurt them since the jobs most legal immigrants are coming here to take are not the jobs that low education workers would be competing for anyway.

Very well said. It's like they have Stockholm Syndrome with their Republican tormentors.
The big takeaway I have with this information for this election though is that very, very few of those voters were voting Democrat before this election. Trump has hijacked a very frustrated large portion of the Republican electorate, while alienating a chunk of it to the point that they will either not go to the polls for him, or will actually vote the other way. I just do not see how that translates into general election success.
 
Very well said. It's like they have Stockholm Syndrome with their Republican tormentors.
The big takeaway I have with this information for this election though is that very, very few of those voters were voting Democrat before this election. Trump has hijacked a very frustrated large portion of the Republican electorate, while alienating a chunk of it to the point that they will either not go to the polls for him, or will actually vote the other way. I just do not see how that translates into general election success.

I agree, they were never going to vote Democrat regardless of if it was Trump or Carson or Cruz.

I do think that his chances are better than people believe because some Republicans will vote the ticket no matter what and some Dem's will abstain from Hillary. I don't think the odds are in his favor at this point though.
 
I think Trump's "silent majority" stuff is bunch of hot air. If these voters didn't come out for McCain or Romney, they won't show up for Trump. And if this forum proves anything, Trumpers aren't shy about cheerleading for Trump.

If anything, Trump's get-out-the-vote operation is probably going to be less effective than Romney's.
The strongest counter argument is that people have already analyzed this claim wrt the "new" voters in the primaries, and found they were already likely general voters, most of whom had recently voted in recent state and federal elections. Basically, Trump mobilized a bunch of general voters into the primary, not a heretofore untapped base.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...2016-polling-turnout-early-voting-data-213897
http://politicalmachination.com/rep...ut-analysis-donald-trump-creating-new-voters/
 
I agree, they were never going to vote Democrat regardless of if it was Trump or Carson or Cruz.

I do think that his chances are better than people believe because some Republicans will vote the ticket no matter what and some Dem's will abstain from Hillary. I don't think the odds are in his favor at this point though.

Agreed.

Trump does have a chunk of what I like to call the 'smart stupid' vote. People like my Dad. I just don't get it. My Dad is a very educated man. He has a MBA and numerous financial designations and certifications (financial planner). He is very, very wealthy. Very, very smart. And this rich smart man is lapping on Trumps nuts with a fervor that I can not believe. I have never seen him behave this way with a candidate. Totally baffles me. But again, I take solace in the fact that he has never, in his life, voted blue.
 
You can subtract millenials from that number because they only participate in polls and petitions they can do from thier phones. They also go to protests but that's just to virtue signal to their peers that they are engaded.


Ultimately they care more about social media than social justice.

The youngins are a fickle brew. Though they managed to get behind Bernie in the primary. That's why I am so annoyed that Hillary just gave DWS a job right after she resigned from the DNC. The optics on that are just awful. It was like she took a giant shit on Bernie supporters. Millions of young people will stay home because of that idiotic maneuver alone. I don't think she will need them though.
 
Agreed.

Trump does have a chunk of what I like to call the 'smart stupid' vote. People like my Dad. I just don't get it. My Dad is a very educated man. He has a MBA and numerous financial designations and certifications (financial planner). He is very, very wealthy. Very, very smart. And this rich smart man is lapping on Trumps nuts with a fervor that I can not believe. I have never seen him behave this way with a candidate. Totally baffles me. But again, I take solace in the fact that he has never, in his life, voted blue.

There is something to be said for the rise of white identity politics. And I'm not saying that as a bad thing. I don't even things it's a new thing. I'm not even saying that it's your dad's positioning. But the white lower middle and lower class are a truly distinct voting bloc and I can see people continuing to identify with them even after they've moved out of the specific economic and social position. You see the same thing in the black voting population where black millionaires vote in a fashion similar to blacks on welfare even though their general economic and social positions no longer align.
 
Meanwhile, Hillary climbs to +7.9, and +9.x in PA and WI. +6.x in Michigan still. And of course still leading in Georgia, and oh hey look, Arizona.
 
There is something to be said for the rise of white identity politics. And I'm not saying that as a bad thing. I don't even things it's a new thing. I'm not even saying that it's your dad's positioning. But the white lower middle and lower class are a truly distinct voting bloc and I can see people continuing to identify with them even after they've moved out of the specific economic and social position. You see the same thing in the black voting population where black millionaires vote in a fashion similar to blacks on welfare even though their general economic and social positions no longer align.

Interesting. He was the first of his clan to climb out of white trash poverty. Neither parent went to college. His Dad dropped out of HS in the 10th grade. Just common sense grafters that worked hard, lived well below their means, and saved.
 
Interesting. He was the first of his clan to climb out of white trash poverty. Neither parent went to college. His Dad dropped out of HS in the 10th grade. Just common sense grafters that worked hard, lived well below their means, and saved.

I don't think we outgrow those childhood positions, we only refine them.
 
You can subtract millenials from that number because they only participate in polls and petitions they can do from thier phones. They also go to protests but that's just to virtue signal to their peers that they are engaded.


Ultimately they care more about social media than social justice.

This.
 
Remember this reply when Trump disembowls Clinton in the debates, offends and interrupts her at every turn to the horror of many and to the delight of our secretly sexist society and silent majority that roll their fucking eyes at trigger warnings, BLM, and being told the word Christmas is now kind of like dropping an F bomb.
Yeah I keep hearing about Denald's Secret Coalition of the Unwilling. That seems more like an October excuse rather than an August one, but hey, it's a wacky wild year eh?
 
I don't even care about your presidential election but if Trump wins I will be licking the sweet tears of all the cuckold liberals that calls Trump a racist and other slurs. I will rub it in that now the world's only superpower is now a racist nation led by a nazi. Oh it will be glorious.

Yes, judging by your post it really makes sense that you're someone that looks down on calling other people names. No hypocrisy there whatsoever.
 
This whole election is a classic case of Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwhich
 
Yeah I keep hearing about Denald's Secret Coalition of the Unwilling. That seems more like an October excuse rather than an August one, but hey, it's a wacky wild year eh?
*Air-putts into the cup*

*will only be gotten by people who know*
 
Yes, judging by your post it really makes sense that you're someone that looks down on calling other people names. No hypocrisy there whatsoever.
No, that's not true. Some people deserve to be called names. I don't call people names that they don't deserve though, so there is no hypocrisy.
 
Yeah I keep hearing about Denald's Secret Coalition of the Unwilling. That seems more like an October excuse rather than an August one, but hey, it's a wacky wild year eh?

As an executive, I think that it's unreal that we haven't had a woman president yet.

A LOT of guys would never vote for a female head of state.

Some of them will tell you this. Others won't say it out loud. Some lie.

We know there's a lot of closet (or secret) racists out there as well.

And so on, so forth.
 
I don't even care about your presidential election but if Trump wins I will be licking the sweet tears of all the cuckold liberals that calls Trump a racist and other slurs. I will rub it in that now the world's only superpower is now a racist nation led by a nazi. Oh it will be glorious.

You know what, if it happens, you are welcome to do that. I will gladly give you your moment.

You know what I will be doing? Nothing. I will give my head the briefest shake of disappointment. Then I will rise up, and go about my business for the next 3.5 years until the next election. I will understand that I had my say, but the people have spoken. I will get on board and hope for the best. Trump will be my President, and that will be that.

Why? Because that is how people are supposed to behave in a democracy.

What I will NOT do is whine like a menstruating teenager from the moment he is elected until the next election cycle. The one thing I look forward to if Trump wins is showing people how to behave when the person you voted for does not get elected. That is something this country has forgotten how to do and needs to learn again.
 
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As an executive, I think that it's unreal that we haven't had a woman president yet.

A LOT of guys would never vote for a female head of state.

Some of them will tell you this. Others won't say it out loud. Some lie.

We know there's a lot of closet (or secret) racists out there as well.

And so on, so forth.

I see where you are coming from. My guess is a lot of people felt this way--- until they were presented these 2 choices. Donald Trump is going to give millions of sexist assholes the opportunity to feel good about themselves because they voted for a female.
 
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