Elections Clinton vs. Trump Polls thread, v2

[DevilsLettuce]

These anti-Trump threads just keep getting worse and worse in quality. It's a crescendo of shittiness.

You're confused, the crescendo of shit you're hearing is the Trump campaign.

 

[ucunc156]

so thats never trumpers and semi sane and respectable republicans, and stupid democrats? Trump being the nominee is one of the only 2 ways hillary would win, the other option being cruz. Bring in a Romney or Kasich at this point, and the Republican's run away with it.

 

[jamesmiller14]

Meh. I want him to stay in all the way to the end. If he left before the end it would be like waiting in a long traffic line, but not getting to see the horrific car wreck. Not that I am the biggest Hillary fan, but I want to see the shock and horror when Hillary shellacks him by 300 electoral votes and 10 million popular votes. I want to see the Republican Horror. It will be like the Red Wedding on GOT.

The way things are going now, it could end up even worse than that. Hillary has a huge network on the ground, Trump has none. Hilary has popular, A level surrogates (Bill, Barack and Michelle), Trump has Scott Baio. Hillary has a huge war chest she is spending, Trump has a small one he is not.

If Trump does not release his taxes (or releases them and there is a bombshell), and either does not attend the debates/does and gets disembowelled, we could end up with Hillary winning by 350 or 400 electoral votes.

Remember this reply when Trump disembowls Clinton in the debates, offends and interrupts her at every turn to the horror of many and to the delight of our secretly sexist society and silent majority that roll their fucking eyes at trigger warnings, BLM, and being told the word Christmas is now kind of like dropping an F bomb.

I see a lot of people missing the undercurrent and are in for quite a shock in November. Potentially.

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

LOL. I can't believe i forgot Scott Baio in my other posts

I work with his cousin. There is a definite family resemblance. Haven't asked his stance on black people and global warming yet though.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Nearly half, yes.

Is normal.

Only difference in 2016 is that a pussified generation truly hates and despises Donald Trump as he trolls them to tears as the hard working, tax paying class laughs at the madness as they are trolled to the ballot box to cast one vote to Donald J Trump.

Amazing that we are here, witnessing this.

It's funny how people here see trolling as some kind of heroic endeavor.

 

[jamesmiller14]

It's funny how people here see trolling as some kind of heroic endeavor.

Oh, he's an absolute hero to a lot of these fucks. A true caricature of what the 'Tea Party' was trying to say 4 and 6 years ago.

A fucking reality show host.. trolling his way to POTUS election victory in 2016.

A conservative super hero that probably isn't even truly conservative. Hacking and slashing his way to victory.

It's two New York Democrats facing off here. One took the low hanging fruit and ran with it.

 

[cooks1]

Remember this reply when Trump disembowls Clinton in the debates, offends and interrupts her at every turn to the horror of many and to the delight of our secretly sexist society and silent majority that roll their fucking eyes at trigger warnings, BLM, and being told the word Christmas is now kind of like dropping an F bomb.

I see a lot of people missing the undercurrent and are in for quite a shock in November. Potentially.

Oh I get the undercurrent. A large number of people completely fed up with politics as usual from both the right and the left and political correctness run amok. Totally understand the impulse to bring someone in from completely outside the system. I would even support that idea if it were the right person. The problem is that the outsider that was chosen is just too ill suited. If you had picked a different outsider, or even if Trump could control himself in any way, the race could have ended up a lot closer. But I think you are going to find out that just too many of the people deeply fed up with PC culture and the status quo also do have a modicum of sense. The closer Trump actually gets to the White house, the tighter their sphincters will become.

Regarding the debates, I think Trumps word vomit sound bites work well when their are 8-10 people on the stage, and time can be monopolized. But in a 1 on 1 debate, the talking time will be pretty close to even, and Trump will have a LOT more time to speak. He will not be able to word vomit his way through 2-2.5 hours with only one other person up there. Trump will have a big leg up if one of the Independents is able to attend as well.

 

[KnightTemplar]

And the other half want Hillary to drop out.

Typical non-story regarding Trump.

Came here to post this. Want don't get.

 

[Cygnus A]

Trump cant win, so any R' with half a brain wants him out so they at least have a chance.

 

[jamesmiller14]

Oh I get the undercurrent. A large number of people completely fed up with politics as usual from both the right and the left and political correctness run amok. Totally understand the impulse to bring someone in from completely outside the system. I would even support that idea if it were the right person. The problem is that the outsider that was chosen is just too ill suited. If you had picked a different outsider, or even if Trump could control himself in any way, the race could have ended up a lot closer. But I think you are going to find out that just too many of the people deeply fed up with PC culture and the status quo also do have a modicum of sense. The closer Trump actually gets to the White house, the tighter their sphincters will become.

Regarding the debates, I think Trumps word vomit sound bites work well when their are 8-10 people on the stage, and time can be monopolized. But in a 1 on 1 debate, the talking time will be pretty close to even, and Trump will have a LOT more time to speak. He will not be able to word vomit his way through 2-2.5 hours with only one other person up there. Trump will have a big leg up if one of the Independents is able to attend as well.

I agree with everything you say other than the debates. I think it's his best chance to win. He'll word vomit a third of it, talk vague policy for a third, then troll Hillary about emails, past policy, husbands past policy, and might even name drop Monica Lewinsky or some crazy shit like that.

Half the electorate will GASP at the horror. The other half will lap it up like dogs.

Which side is more excited and motivated to make absolute sure they get to the polls on 11/8? That's the big question.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

If Trump did drop out what would the GOP do?

Does it go to the next in line at the convention (Cruz)?

Would they give it to the guy who was doing well in polls against Clinton (Kasich)?

Or do they go wild card with Romney or Ryan?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Oh, he's an absolute hero to a lot of these fucks. A true caricature of what the 'Tea Party' was trying to say 4 and 6 years ago.

A fucking reality show host.. trolling his way to POTUS election victory in 2016.

A conservative super hero that probably isn't even truly conservative. Hacking and slashing his way to victory.

It's two New York Democrats facing off here. One took the low hanging fruit and ran with it.

Someone else--don't remember who--made the point that a lot of the dumbest things he says are bad attempts to say what he thinks the far right wants to hear (not really understanding them that well). But, as I've said, it really just comes down to white nationalism. As long as he appears sincere in that--and he certainly does--nothing else really matters to his base.

If Trump did drop out what would the GOP do?

Does it go to the next in line at the convention (Cruz)?

Would they give it to the guy who was doing well in polls against Clinton (Kasich)?

Or do they go wild card with Romney or Ryan?

It would be a disaster. No way they'd go with Kasich (polls aside, he'd get killed, and he isn't liked anyway). Ryan wouldn't do it. I really don't know what would happen

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

If you only gave Hillary states in which she was winning by at least 10 points and gave Donald the rest this is what the electoral map would look like.

People can dismiss polls all they like but when they hit double digits its a different story

 

[HereticBD]

I agree with everything you say other than the debates. I think it's his best chance to win. He'll word vomit a third of it, talk vague policy for a third, then troll Hillary about emails, past policy, husbands past policy, and might even name drop Monica Lewinsky or some crazy shit like that.

Half the electorate will GASP at the horror. The other half will lap it up like dogs.

This is what I imagine the debates will be like:

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

and nearly half want him to be president

30 percent is half now ?

Edit : it probably isn't even that high a percentage

 

[cooks1]

I agree with everything you say other than the debates. I think it's his best chance to win. He'll word vomit a third of it, talk vague policy for a third, then troll Hillary about emails, past policy, husbands past policy, and might even name drop Monica Lewinsky or some crazy shit like that.

Half the electorate will GASP at the horror. The other half will lap it up like dogs.

Which side is more excited and motivated to make absolute sure they get to the polls on 11/8? That's the big question.

Do you really think the people that are going to lap up his word vomit are undecided voters? I highly doubt it. Anyone that enjoys has antics in any way are already firmly entrenched in the Trump camp. The whole point of the debates is to convince undecided voters and change the minds of people leaning toward voting for your opponent. Word vomit will not do that.

As far as motivated voters, I think Hillary has more. Despite lower democratic turnout in the primaries, she still had nearly 3 million more people voting for her in the primaries than Trump. And I think she will get more of Bernies supporters than Trump will of his opponents, NONE of whom are supporting him other than Christie. And ironically, Trump is going to motivate democrats to go the polls more than Hillary will. I honestly think you will see excellent Democrat voter turnout just because Trump is so vile. If you had Jeb or Kasich in there, they might have stayed home.

 

[jamesmiller14]

Do you really think the people that are going to lap up his word vomit are undecided voters? I highly doubt it. Anyone that enjoys has antics in any way are already firmly entrenched in the Trump camp. The whole point of the debates is to convince undecided voters and change the minds of people leaning toward voting for your opponent. Word vomit will not do that.

As far as motivated voters, I think Hillary has more. Despite lower democratic turnout in the primaries, she still had 3 million more people voting for her in the primaries than Trump. And I think she will get more of Bernies supporters than Trump will of his opponents, NONE of whom are supporting him other than Christie. And ironically, Trump is going to motivate democrats to go the polls more than Hillary will. I honestly think you will see excellent Democrat voter turnout just because Trump is so vile. If you had Jeb or Kasich in there, they might have stayed home.

That is one way to see it. I hope it's not the opposite. The "there's no fucking way Trump is winning, the news told me he's way behind in the polls. I don't have to bend backward to make it to the booth today..."

 

[Aegon Spengler]

https://theringer.com/scott-adams-i...trump-3064e6996421?gi=67ebf6191486#.m0vvxrbq4

For starters, he does have himself to blame that it’s plausible that he would get in a fight with a baby at a rally. As you say, you wouldn’t really believe that headline coming from anyone else. But so many strange things have happened, he’s created this world where anything is possible.

Now, listen. Listen to your own question. Listen to your own question and then tell me if you are an objective observer. I’ll just repeat it back to you as closely as I can.

Sure.

“Trump has created a situation in which it seems plausible he would pick a fight with a baby.” [Laughs.] Really? Does that sound reasonable to you? When you hear it played back?

It doesn’t sound reasonable, no, but you have to say it does sound plausible.

 

[cooks1]

That is one way to see it. I hope it's not the opposite. The "there's no fucking way Trump is winning, the news told me he's way behind in the polls. I don't have to bend backward to make it to the booth today..."

That is a legitimate concern to be sure. But Hillary's ground network is vast. And she does not want a victory, she wants a Roman Triumph. Unlike Trump, she actually cares about down ballot results. Between that and being terrified of Trump fueling the democratic voters, I think we will be fine.

Ironically, I think it is Trump that could see poor turnout. By election day, Hillary's lead in the polls could be huge, and there could well be a 'futility factor' that keeps Trump supporters from going to the polls. Outrage and anger effect cardio. Have you ever tried to be completely furious for a long time? It's exhausting. It's going to be hard for Trump to keep people in a frenzy for 3 more months. By the time the election rolls around. They will be exhausted. Not to mention the fact that vast numbers of Republican officials have already publicly stated they will either be voting for Hillary, or will just not be voting for Trump. Many of their supporters will follow suit.

And let's not forget money. Money wins elections. Hillary has it, Trump does not. And Hillary is spending what she has, Trump isn't.

I have stated several times that I predict a 300 electoral vote and 10 million popular vote margin or more. That is landslide territory. So I guess we will see.

 

[panamaican]

Probably the most interesting thing to come out of this election cycle is the dozens of articles and opinion pieces dedicated to understanding the motivations of the hardcore Trump supporters.

It paints a picture a group of mostly white Americans who the economy has moved past and society doesn't seem to value. The wildest part, to me at least, is the extent to which the economy and society never truly valued this group in the first place. They were always part of the underclass socially and economically. Yet for some reason, they associated themselves with economic and social success of the upper middle class.

What globalization and the recent Democrat success in the White House has finally laid bare is that they were never the beneficiaries of GOP policy - free trade, restriction of the minimum wage, lower taxes and cutting the social safety net. That this realization manifests itself in a desire for a strong, anti-establishment candidate isn't surprising.

What is surprising is that they haven't been voting for Democrats all these years when it's Democratic policies that would have largely protected their economic positions. Even the immigration argument doesn't really hurt them since the jobs most legal immigrants are coming here to take are not the jobs that low education workers would be competing for anyway.