Elections Clinton vs Trump Polls thread (Clinton's Bounce Larger than Trump's)

Prediction on Win Margin for Election Night (Electoral College)


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No, I'm saying it because it's true.



You say that, and yet here we are.

You are not smart, but certainly deluded.

"But, but, the Democrats are the good guys! Anything bad about them is Republitard propaganda!"

Um, OK, but did you get the point? How does voting for Stein help anyone in the real world? If you're a Sanders supporter who wants what Sanders wants, you are going to vote for Clinton.

It forces a corrupt party who has become out of touch with its constituents and drunk with power to accommodate sentiment that its been struggling violently to suppress and that is for the good of the citizenry. The party has been able to hedge itself by having Obama, who is very effective leader and front man, and having a rabid and increasingly illogical opposition party distracting the voters from their shared sins.

That's fine, but obviously not realistic.

It's certainly much, much more realistic than Clinton adopting social democratic policy into her presidency.

How do you think a Trump presidency works out with regard to party organizing?

I think you put a period where you meant to put a colon, chief.

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I think you are mistaken, chief.
 
You are not smart, but certainly deluded.

You just make yourself sound petty when you say stuff like this.

It forces a corrupt party who has become out of touch with its constituents and drunk with power to accommodate sentiment that its been struggling violently to suppress and that is for the good of the citizenry.

Er, no. Primary voters supported Clinton overwhelmingly, and losing to Trump would indicate that the right has more support, and would lead to the party moving right. But more than that, as I said, the changes that a president Trump would bring about (and get out of here with the silly idea that Trump could win the presidency while the GOP loses Congress) would prevent any progressive expansion similar to the way the changes that Reagan brought about did. Really high structural deficits make new spending way less likely, and the SCOTUS would be far-right leaning. You didn't respond to those points at all, either because you didn't understand them or you could tell that they're true but you didn't want to change a position that you're emotionally attached to.

It's certainly much, much more realistic than Clinton adopting social democratic policy into her presidency.

Clinton, like all presidents and politicians generally, will push to enact the items on the platform, and she's long been a left-leaning Democrat. Frankly, there are some dumb ideas that got on, and it would be better for the country if she didn't, but she will.

What I said was not realistic was the notion that Democrats could get the Senate and the House while Trump wins the presidency. Most voters vote straight tickets. Democrats have a chance to take the Senate and a much smaller one to take the House, but any scenario where that happens, Clinton wins (she'll have to win by a lot to flip the House).

How do you think a Trump presidency works out with regard to party organizing?

What do you mean, exactly?
 
I'm saying he's less likely to sell out our country to Saudis for million and billions like the Bushes and Clintons have done with their policies over the last few decades.
Clearly money has always been the biggest influence for Trump his entire life. He has repeatedly sold his NAME to shady and shitty organizations for a buck. He's also personally beholden to the Saudis so to pretend he won't sell out is beyond foolish.
 
for a europen, reading the clinton/trump threads is absolutely schizophrenic. you only see people 100% sure trump will win or 100% sure he'll lose.

good luck getting any kind of info on these threads.
 
for a europen, reading the clinton/trump threads is absolutely schizophrenic. you only see people 100% sure trump will win or 100% sure he'll lose.

good luck getting any kind of info on these threads.

I haven't seen that. Clinton's chances are about 75%. There are some Trump fans who think that his chances are better than that, but I doubt any that would guarantee it.
 
Clearly money has always been the biggest influence for Trump his entire life. He has repeatedly sold his NAME to shady and shitty organizations for a buck. He's also personally beholden to the Saudis so to pretend he won't sell out is beyond foolish.

Why is he personally beholden to the Saudis?
 
Why is he personally beholden to the Saudis?
If I recall correctly some Saudi prince financially bailed him out at some point. I could be wrong but, regardless, to pretend that someone whose lifelong motivating factor has been money isn't likely to sell out for money is ridiculous on its face.
 
If I recall correctly some Saudi prince financially bailed him out at some point.

So you heard something...somewhere...sometime?

I could be wrong but, regardless, to pretend that someone whose lifelong motivating factor has been money isn't likely to sell out for money is ridiculous on its face.

Well none of us can read the future but considering his willingness to be the most hated man on the planet combined with the fact that he's already a billionaire...all signs point to him not selling out for money.
 
Well none of us can read the future but considering his willingness to be the most hated man on the planet combined with the fact that he's already a billionaire...all signs point to him not selling out for money.
Your position is that someone that has always been motivated by money, won't be motivated by money.
Cool story.
 
So you heard something...somewhere...sometime?

He's referring to Alwaleed bin Talal, who twice bought assets from Trump to help pay debts he couldn't manage. On the other hand, Trump has shown no loyalty or personal integrity at all, and has actually Twitter feuded with the guy, so I don't think that "beholden" is correct. But it does look like Trump is running for president in large part to make money.
 
Your position is that someone that has always been motivated by money, won't be motivated by money.
Cool story.

My position is that a billionaire who wanted to make more money wouldn't say things everyday to piss of at least half of the country and much of the outside world and become bitterly hated for the rest of his life.

If Trump wants money then he would have just continued building skyscrapers.

Your logic is invalid.
 
My position is that a billionaire who wanted to make more money wouldn't say things everyday to piss of at least half of the country and much of the outside world and become bitterly hated for the rest of his life.

If Trump wants money then he would have just continued building skyscrapers.

Your logic is invalid.
Huh? There is no shortage of Republican pundits that have made lucrative livings off hyper partisan and controversial commentary. Think Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, on and on.
 
Huh? There is no shortage of Republican pundits that have made lucrative livings off hyper partisan and controversial commentary. Think Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, on and on.

If Trump started making Hannitys money he would be taking a pay cut. You guys aren't using logic.
 
The NY Times/CBS poll has them at 40/40. Rasmussen again is way off the mark showing Trump with a bigger lead than Hillary had a month ago. I expect the polling average to hit about even and then for Hillary to pull back ahead at the convention.
 
I haven't seen that. Clinton's chances are about 75%. There are some Trump fans who think that his chances are better than that, but I doubt any that would guarantee it.
I've seen tons of people guarantee he's going to win.
 
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