Circling The Arguments (SCO thread v. 32)

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The likelihood that one of the Democrats in Congress would leak the President's personal information is pretty much 100%.

If the chances are nil for this challenge to make its way all the way to the Supreme Court, then the chances are nil for the Democrats getting a fully unredacted report.

<Fedor23>
probably true. Oh well, try making the argument Congress isn't allowed to see classified materials then. Sure that will go over well.
 
Brett considers himself a Constitutionalist and this would shatter the Constitution if they blocked it.

it would literally make the Congress (not just this one but all future) impotent in doing their Constitutional role of proving a Check and Balance to the POTUS. Any future POTUS who was suspected of a crime would just need to keep firing AG's until they got one who would do their bidding and then Congress would be blocked from doing their role.


i know in your love of Trump's nut you cannot see around them to see how damaging this would be to the US in general and because you love Trump so much you just don't care.

For one minute you need to unclench the nuts and open your eyes and look out beyond Trump.



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You need to try and think beyond Trump and to the next Dem POTUS you hate.

<TrumpWrong1>

The special counsel investigated the accusations, and found the accusations to be lacking.

The Senate approved Attorney General made the final determination. You're aware the AG needs to be confirmed by the people's elected representatives in the Senate, correct?

The President has been vindicated and cleared of any wrongdoing, the Democrats in the house have no right to see the personal and private information of an innocent man. The Supreme Court with Brett Kavanaugh would have no choice but to strike down the Democrats attempt at gaining the full and unredact report in the name of preserving an individual's right to privacy, and so overzealous prosecutors can't publicly humiliate people that they failed to convict.

The Democrats will either accept the redacted report like adults, or be made to look like sore losers crying over sour grapes all over again. I assure you, the latter isn't a good look going into 2020.
 
I keep seeing people talking about the redaction's and if they should happen or not. Politico has an article stating that Barr is correct and is legally required to redact that report.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/01/redacted-mueller-report-226343
and I quote from your article:

"At the same time, House Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff and Senate Intelligence Vice-Chair Mark Warner should demand the unredacted report for their own committees. By statute they are entitled to it, and Rule 6(e) is no bar to sharing information provided to intelligence officials. Another regulation, 50 USC § 3092, provides that the intelligence committees must be given reports, in writing if desired, of significant intelligence and counterintelligence activities or failures. Mueller’s findings certainly qualify. Where matters are too delicate to share with all the members of the intelligence committees, statute and established practice provide that disclosure may be made to a smaller circle known as the “Gang of Eight”: the chair and ranking member of each intelligence committee, and the Democratic and Republican leaders of each chamber."
 
probably true. Oh well, try making the argument Congress isn't allowed to see classified materials then. Sure that will go over well.

Attorney General Barr already told them they don't get to see the unredacted report. Too bad, so sad.

Your "probably true, Oh well" comment confesses the fact that the only reason you want the unredacted report released, is so one of the Democrats can leak the President's personal information.
 
Attorney General Barr already told them they don't get to see the unredacted report. Too bad, so sad.

Your "probably true, Oh well" comment confesses the fact that the only reason you want the unredacted report released, is so one of the Democrats can leak the President's personal information.
this sounds a lot more like hope than reality. We'll just have to wait and see. I don't care what it says, I just want to see it. You seem to care what it says and don't.. Shocking revelations.

and again, if you're worried about leaks just go to bat over the idea that congress shouldn't have the right to classified materials. I'm sure you'll get a long ways with that one.
 
That would be an incredible twist in this Saga.

The left would overnight go from accusing Julian Assange of practically being in league with Satan himself, to wanting to nominate him for Liberal Sainthood.

If Assange did that it would further confirm he just wants to help sow division in the US.
 
I keep seeing people talking about the redaction's and if they should happen or not. Politico has an article stating that Barr is correct and is legally required to redact that report.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/01/redacted-mueller-report-226343
No one is arguing there should not be redactions. NO ONE.

Barr in his confirmation hearing said his goal was to release as much as possible within what the law allows. Maximum transparency.

He has veered far from that. The law allows and all prior precedent has sought the release of Grand Jury info in these prior situations. it is just the matter of asking for a Court order and its done. He is fighting that. Why?

He has also added categories for redaction that are completely subjective to him and do not fulfil what he said in his confirmation which was the maximum allowable under the law.

That is the issue here.
 
Just dropping by to remind everyone that Mueller declined to indict Trump or anyone else for colluding with Russians to win in 2016. That is all. Carry on!
 
bet on what?

there are no more indictments, none are actually linked to Russia itself

This was a massive conspiracy theory, of the highest order, based largely off people not actually knowing how Classified networks work and operate.
I am betting that a number of the indictments/pleas directly involve russia, and not via a conspiracy theory requiring multiple convaluted links. Instead it will show that the indicted people were acting on behalf of the Russian government.

I think that the Mueller report will contain information supporting my position.

I've posted something in the bet thread along those lines.
 
<TrumpWrong1>

The special counsel investigated the accusations, and found the accusations to be lacking.

The Senate approved Attorney General made the final determination. You're aware the AG needs to be confirmed by the people's elected representatives in the Senate, correct?

The President has been vindicated and cleared of any wrongdoing, the Democrats in the house have no right to see the personal and private information of an innocent man. The Supreme Court with Brett Kavanaugh would have no choice but to strike down the Democrats attempt at gaining the full and unredact report in the name of preserving an individual's right to privacy, and so overzealous prosecutors can't publicly humiliate people that they failed to convict.

The Democrats will either accept the redacted report like adults, or be made to look like sore losers crying over sour grapes all over again. I assure you, the latter isn't a good look going into 2020.


Again all you prove is you have no clue what you are talking about.

Congress has a separate and distinct role to provide arms length over sight on a POTUS. it is defined in the Separation of Powers. You honestly need to read up instead of spewing the ignorant nonsense you do.

that means that while the POTUS's AG and any special counsel appointed WHO ARE IN THE OFFICE OF THE POTUS and there is no separation can do their thing if an AG chooses to but that in no way satisfies the congress role and what they are supposed to do.

The POTUS appoints the AG and he serves at the POTUS absolute discretion. The POTUS can order him or fire him at will.
 
I keep seeing people talking about the redaction's and if they should happen or not. Politico has an article stating that Barr is correct and is legally required to redact that report.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/01/redacted-mueller-report-226343
The problem is how do determine if the redactions Barr makes will be legally required or if he'll redact more than necessary. I suspect Mueller will have to testify to clear things up if Congress doesn't win their subpoena request.
 
I, for one, trust our Congress people not to leak confidential information for political purposes.

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this sounds a lot more like hope than reality. We'll just have to wait and see. I don't care what it says, I just want to see it. You seem to care what it says and don't.. Shocking revelations.

and again, if you're worried about leaks just go to bat over the idea that congress shouldn't have the right to classified materials. I'm sure you'll get a long ways with that one.

It doesn't matter what arguments you or I put forward, the full unredacted report isn't going to get released no matter how badly you wish it would, period.

The Democrats aren't going to get their chance to leak the President's private information.

If we're all being honest, that's the only reason you want the unredacted report released to the Democrats.

We already know there's nothing legally damning in the report. Now you're just hoping to find something politically damaging.

Thankfully, you'll never get your chance.
 
It doesn't matter what arguments you or I put forward, the full unredacted report isn't going to get released no matter how badly you wish it would, period.

The Democrats aren't going to get their chance to leak the President's private information.

If we're all being honest, that's the only reason you want the unredacted report released to the Democrats.

We already know there's nothing legally damning in the report. Now you're just hoping to find something politically damaging.

Thankfully, you'll never get your chance.
no one is saying the full unredacted report so take that strawman elsewhere. You are trying to set this up so that when they get the report with only the required redactions re-ongoing investigation, and national security stuff and what else is REQUIRED to be redacted you can claim a win. No one, NO ONE, expects that stuff to be released.

it is in the many areas now Barr is using his discretion beyond what is proscribed in the Special Counsel act that he will be forced to disclose and that is what we are talking about.
 
no one is saying the full unredacted report so take that strawman elsewhere. You are trying to set this up so that when they get the report with only the required redactions re-ongoing investigation, and national security stuff and what else is REQUIRED to be redacted you can claim a win. No one, NO ONE, expects that stuff to be released.

it is in the many areas now Barr is using his discretion beyond what is proscribed in the Special Counsel act that he will be forced to disclose and that is what we are talking about.

<TrumpWrong1>

Just two pages back in this very thread:

well of course it will come out, congress has precedent and every right to see it in its entirety, it's just a matter of how long the Trump administration wants to fight it.

You should read the threads you're posting in a bit more carefully before you try to make sweeping definitive statements like that.

It's okay, we all make mistakes.
 
House dems just made formal request that requires zero Republican approval to get 6 years of tax returns...personal, business and foundation.

This is about get awful lol...

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House dems just made formal request that requires zero Republican approval to get 6 years of tax returns...personal, business and foundation.

This is about get awful lol...

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OmG..this is it
 
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