Circling The Arguments (SCO thread v. 32)

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President Obama was in his 2nd term and thus could not run for the office of President again. He had no opposition.

Again, since it appears you're going to pretend to not know who Obama's political opposition was, allow me to refresh your memory and give you absolutely zero room for the Obama apologetics I already anticipated.

"my legacy is on the ballot!"
-Former President Obama, September 2016.

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/obama-my-legacy-ballot-n656066

This demonstrates clearly, objectively, and measurably, that Obama viewed President Trump as direct political opposition to his legacy and his policy objectives.

Your personal wishes don't change the words Obama spoke with his own mouth.
 
First off, the wall is being built. There is no debating that.


Second off, I have been wrong about 6 times here. I freely admit when I’m wrong. The thing is, I’m not wrong very often.


Lastly, how long has it been since NK fired a missile, or had threatening rhetoric?

Literally last week they threatened to startup their missile program
 
He didn't "Spy" on the Trump campaign. The Trump campaign was placed under investigation because of proven links/connections with a hostile foreign government.

Call it partisan hackery all you want, but there were some people doing some shady stuff with Russian help and they got nailed.

That is a fact.

Then why continue to use the term Spying when it was a counterintelligence court sanction surveillance? Let’s call it gathering information.

Once again, since we are truly arguing @bobgeese use of the term and every time you get shot down you shift your stance. Bob made it very clear that The FBI was using an asset to spy on the Trump campaign. Basically someone infiltrated the group under false pretenses to go fishing for information. That did not happen no matter what you want to think.
 
Again, since it appears you're going to pretend to not know who Obama's political opposition was, allow me to refresh your memory and give you absolutely zero room for the Obama apologetics I already anticipated.

"my legacy is on the ballot!"
-Former President Obama, September 2016.

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/obama-my-legacy-ballot-n656066

This demonstrates clearly, objectively, and measurably, that Obama viewed President Trump as direct political opposition to his legacy and his policy objectives.

Your personal wishes don't change the words Obama spoke with his own mouth.

Please, Obama was playing to people that love him yet hate Hillary. A vote for Hillary is a vote for me.
 
The economy is kicking ass, Dow at all time high, we’re leading the world in carbon reduction without wasting millions on PCA, Isis no longer releasing beheading videos every other month (Islamic terrorism has PLUMMETED worldwide), wall under construction, strengthened military, courts reshaped for a generation, lower taxes and regulations, no longer paying ransom for hostages, a complete 180 in NK behavior, relative silence from the Middle East, an administration that began to fight back against China,...

Should I continue?

The economy is going to go into another recession, just like when Regan and Bush initiated giant taxcuts for the rich, and is filled with workers who have low paying jobs absent benefits with wage growth that cannot keep up with inflation.

Only an idiot uses the DOW as a measurement of the economic strength of the nation.

We better be reducing our carbon emissions, as they are still well above our EU allies, and most of the world, save China.

The drop in terrorism began by the time Trump got into office. ISIS was on the way out, regardless, despite his decision to draw troops back. I fail to see how his policies led to a trend that was in existence when he reached office.

The wall is not under construction. I don't know why you guys keep saying this, because you know the stuff being built is fencing, and not the wall he promised Mexico would pay for. Repairing and retrofitting fencing with additions is not building the wall, and you're willfully credulous, or deliberately disingenuous to keep saying it.

Strengthened military? How? Were they weak before? Did they really need that 750 billion to give to contractors instead of that money being allocated domestically?

I would not call bringing in ideologues and Bush era freaks to the courts is a good thing.

Lower taxes, especially not taxing the rich and corporations is leading to a ballooning deficit, something Republicans say they always care about, when in reality the next dem president is gonna have to come in and balance the budget, or at least remediate the devestating financial policies of the GOP, yet again.

Rampant deregulation simply glossed over and seen as some great thing is the thought patterning of a fool on the level of Grover Norquist. Loosening rules and regulations pertaining to environmental safety, consumer protection, and many other things like food safety is not a good thing.

No ransom for hostages? NickYoung.gif

If you think NK has pulled a 180, you are a rank buffoon, bereft of any US historical knowledge pertaining to North Korea.

Lol

Lol
 
The economy is going to go into another recession, just like when Regan and Bush initiated giant taxcuts for the rich, and is filled with workers who have low paying jobs absent benefits with wage growth that cannot keep up with inflation.

Only an idiot uses the DOW as a measurement of the economic strength of the nation.

We better be reducing our carbon emissions, as they are still well above our EU allies, and most of the world, save China.

The drop in terrorism began by the time Trump got into office. ISIS was on the way out, regardless, despite his decision to draw troops back. I fail to see how his policies led to a trend that was in existence when he reached office.

The wall is not under construction. I don't know why you guys keep saying this, because you know the stuff being built is fencing, and not the wall he promised Mexico would pay for. Repairing and retrofitting fencing with additions is not building the wall, and you're willfully credulous, or deliberately disingenuous to keep saying it.

Strengthened military? How? Were they weak before? Did they really need that 750 billion to give to contractors instead of that money being allocated domestically?

I would not call bringing in ideologues and Bush era freaks to the courts is a good thing.

Lower taxes, especially not taxing the rich and corporations is leading to a ballooning deficit, something Republicans say they always care about, when in reality the next dem president is gonna have to come in and balance the budget, or at least remediate the devestating financial policies of the GOP, yet again.

Rampant deregulation simply glossed over and seen as some great thing is the thought patterning of a fool on the level of Grover Norquist. Loosening rules and regulations pertaining to environmental safety, consumer protection, and many other things like food safety is not a good thing.

No ransom for hostages? NickYoung.gif

If you think NK has pulled a 180, you are a rank buffoon, bereft of any US historical knowledge pertaining to North Korea.

Lol

Lol



This is a pretty solid attempt at denying reality.


“But.. but... there will be another recession someday “


WOW, bold prediction hill...
 
Then why continue to use the term Spying when it was a counterintelligence court sanction surveillance? Let’s call it gathering information.

Once again, since we are truly arguing @bobgeese use of the term and every time you get shot down you shift your stance. Bob made it very clear that The FBI was using an asset to spy on the Trump campaign. Basically someone infiltrated the group under false pretenses to go fishing for information. That did not happen no matter what you want to think.



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That’s exactly what happened.

Do you think Halper was like “hi, I’m a mole for us intelligence agencies, want to do lunch?”
 
The point is that there is zero material difference between the verbs "to spy on" and "to surveil" in the common parlance. If I spy on you, then I also surveil you. If I surveil you, then I also spy on you.

You seem to be arguing that Barr insinuated that the FBI's spying on Trump campaign members was improper (i.e., in violation of law or protocol), but Barr himself said explicitly and repeatedly in the hearing that he was not insinuating that the spying was improper. He said he wants to look into what happened to be sure everything was done properly as spying on a presidential campaign is a serious matter.

I see what you're saying and I agree.

Yes. I agree.

But you know as well as I do that Barr was just throwing out his boss' talking points and was just looking for an excuse to do so.
 
Again, since it appears you're going to pretend to not know who Obama's political opposition was, allow me to refresh your memory and give you absolutely zero room for the Obama apologetics I already anticipated.

"my legacy is on the ballot!"
-Former President Obama, September 2016.

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/obama-my-legacy-ballot-n656066

This demonstrates clearly, objectively, and measurably, that Obama viewed President Trump as direct political opposition to his legacy and his policy objectives.

Your personal wishes don't change the words Obama spoke with his own mouth.

Well, it was and a Dem didn't win so there was nothing he could do about it. So, he had no opposition. That was just "red meat" for the voting base.
 
But you know as well as I do that Barr was just throwing out his boss' talking points and was just looking for an excuse to do so.
If you're arguing that Trump's frames have influenced Barr's frames, then I think you're probably right. I think a certain degree of fealty is going to be required of any Trump AG at this point.
 
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This is a pretty solid attempt at denying reality.


“But.. but... there will be another recession someday “


WOW, bold prediction hill...

No, there is likely going to be a recession because of the financial policies of this administration. It doesn't just fall out of the sky. The GOP creates the recession, then bitches about the slowest economic recovery in derp dah derp. Every time.
 
If you're arguing that Trump's frames have influenced Barr's frames, then I think you're probably right. I think a certain degree of fealty is going to be required of any Trump AG at the point.

An "Oath of loyalty" perhaps?

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No, there is likely going to be a recession because of the financial policies of this administration. It doesn't just fall out of the sky. The GOP creates the recession, then bitches about the slowest economic recovery in derp dah derp. Every time.
Trumpers don't care about problems or solutions...they just want someone to blame. I can't think of anything in the current Republican platform other than:

Mexicans need to stop coming...because.

Tax cuts for the richest...are still tax cuts.

Libs deserve a stickin.

There's literally no other agenda. No specifics. No healthcare ideas. No nothing. He ran basically on building a wall and that's not gonna ever happen so nothing left.
 
Trumpers don't care about problems or solutions...they just want someone to blame. I can't think of anything in the current Republican platform other than:

Mexicans need to stop coming...because.

Tax cuts for the richest...are still tax cuts.

Libs deserve a stickin.

There's literally no other agenda. No specifics. No healthcare ideas. No nothing. He ran basically on building a wall and that's not gonna ever happen so nothing left.

It's just odd how these guys keep bringing up the damn wall. He came into office as the anti immigration guy during a decade long downturn in illegal immigration, instituted inhumane and plain stupid policies across the board leading to record numbers of illegal immigration, and they still think he is the guy whose policies can solve the problem. It's really nuts to me. These are the same guys who have nothing to say on him making Stephen Miller his de facto head of immigration, and they're looking to cut off legal immigration entirely while insisting they wanted people to immigrate here the right way, it was just illegals who were the problem.
 
It's just odd how these guys keep bringing up the damn wall. He came into office as the anti immigration guy during a decade long downturn in illegal immigration, instituted inhumane and plain stupid policies across the board leading to record numbers of illegal immigration, and they still think he is the guy whose policies can solve the problem. It's really nuts to me. These are the same guys who have nothing to say on him making Stephen Miller his de facto head of immigration, and they're looking to cut off legal immigration entirely while insisting they wanted people to immigrate here the right way, it was just illegals who were the problem.
It's clearly a complicated issue at the border. It requires a nuanced approach an a ton of expert thought. And you've highlighted here exactly how emotional and mindless Trump's idea and pitch is.

The real solution requires effort, huge amounts of it and a lot of struggles...not Don's stupid wall that will never get funded or the demonization of human beings to appeal to deeply seeded racist ideology. The people Trump is appealing to arent bad people, they are just people he's using and continually lying to for his own ends...if you don't have time to pay attention and are sick of Washington generally, his topical bullshit is mildly appealing. For me, even if I agreed with him ideologically, I despise liars, and he's on another level of dishonesty than pretty much every human on record, no hyperbole.
 
Trumpers don't care about problems or solutions...they just want someone to blame. I can't think of anything in the current Republican platform other than:

Mexicans need to stop coming...because.

Tax cuts for the richest...are still tax cuts.

Libs deserve a stickin.

There's literally no other agenda. No specifics. No healthcare ideas. No nothing. He ran basically on building a wall and that's not gonna ever happen so nothing left.


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^^^ the wall is being built as we speak. It’s funny how the only people complaining it’s not concrete, are liberals.


 
It's just odd how these guys keep bringing up the damn wall. He came into office as the anti immigration guy during a decade long downturn in illegal immigration, instituted inhumane and plain stupid policies across the board leading to record numbers of illegal immigration, and they still think he is the guy whose policies can solve the problem. It's really nuts to me. These are the same guys who have nothing to say on him making Stephen Miller his de facto head of immigration, and they're looking to cut off legal immigration entirely while insisting they wanted people to immigrate here the right way, it was just illegals who were the problem.



Hey Einstein, the reason illegals are coming is because the democrat party fights tooth and nail to let them in.
 
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^^^ the wall is being built as we speak. It’s funny how the only people complaining it’s not concrete, are liberals.



Lol. Oh Bob. I'll let someone else who's more the masochist engage you on the ins and out of Trumps wall NOT being built.

Build the wall as a platform is a failure, he's just hoping enough people are stupid enough to believe it's still happening after Pelosi curbstomped him publicly while Congress emphatically told him to pound sand.
 
Hey Einstein, the reason illegals are coming is because the democrat party fights tooth and nail to let them in.
One of your dumber remarks, all assholery aside on my part. Very stupid.
 
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