Pretty easy, actually: Barrett had a lot more to fall from than Williams in terms of ability. Williams wasn't (generally; some Brits did push him as such) regarded as a better talent so his slouching and ups and downs were a lot more expected. On the other hand, Barrett plummeted pretty badly the last few years from being a fringe contender (#10-15 range) to becoming a glorified punching bag.
Let us put this simply. Did you see Barrett vs Tua? Did you see Baker vs Williams and Chisora vs Williams? Do you think Williams would have been able to get the result Barrett did against Tua? Do you think Barrett would have lost to Baker and been any worse against Chisora?
Even during the worst run of his career it took one of the HW champs and two of the brightest prospects/contenders at HW to beat Barrett. It took at fat domestic journeyman and a decent prospect to destroy Williams.
I'm not downgrading anything - the opponents you listed were cannon fodder with gaudy records like Peter McNeeley back in the day. Yeah, they had pretty records, but that had to do with selective matchmaking rather than being legitimate terrors of the division. I have never heard of any of them as being 'big' wins.
They're not classed as big wins because it's relative. I class Tyson Fury's wins over Scott Belshaw and Marcel Zeller as well as stopping Daniil Peretyatko as "big" because of where he was and is in his career. If he does move up to world title level they're no longer be big... they'll be what was expected. His two wins over McDermott are huge for him right now... but again, move him to world level and it will just be him beating a domestic contender... nothing too special.
For Chisora the Sexton wins are big because they're one prospect beating another, made better because Sexton has some legitimacy to him because of his wins over Rogan. But stepping up to the world level? As much as I like him, Sexton isn't exactly some feared world class fighter where getting a win over him means a lot. Sexton has 4 wins worth a damn... Rogan x 2 (great win for him), Chris Burton (an OK domestic prospect) and Pele Reed (a low level contender who hasn't picked up a real scalp since 1998 and lost all his "step up" bouts). The fighters I mentioned all have depth to their records... either beating fellow prospects, slightly faded vets or, at the very least, being competitive in their bouts with top opposition. While Mamuka Jikurashvili may be a McNeely record holder the rest have something more to them... and I'd say more than Sexton.
I mean, I like the fact that someone in the US thinks that beating domestic UK heavyweights makes someone a factor on the world scene... it means UK boxing is getting some of the respect I think it deserves (for all our sins we do generally match our fighters up with each other)... I just don't agree.
As for the rest of the 'name' opponents you listed, I disagree with their picks but I'm not going to go through a list explaining why - I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree here given that you're taking completely different conclusions on the worth of opponents than I am.
That's not fair damnit! I've got 19 pages worth of essays to write on this and you go and start acting all reasonably! Don't you know that on Sherdog
MY opinion = fact and
YOUR opinion = trolling?
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Let me leave with this. If this fight does happen Wlad's opponents since winning the bout look like this:
Sam Peter: Former world champion who dropped Wlad 3 times in their first bout. After a poor spell now back in the sort of shape that brought him his most success.
Eddie Chambers: Highly hyped US fighter who did a good job of virtually clearing out the prospect/contender pool. Some great wins and recovered from a loss to Povetkin to take out former champ Peter and humilate undefeated "next big thing" Dimitrenko who (stylistically if not skill level wise) is similar to Wlad.
Ruslan Chagaev: Undefeated former WBA champ... didn't lose the belt in the ring. Ended Valuev's attempt to break Marciano's record and beat awkward perennial contender John Ruiz.
Hasim Rahman: (Not that great) Former undisputed HW champ of the world recovered from a terrible 2001-3 to put together a decent run between 2004-6 which gave him a world title and some solid wins. An upset loss to Chagaev cost him the belt but had bounced back with a series of wins over journeymen and a controversial NC with Toney.
Tony Thompson (who I should have actually put on my list of people Wlad should face... although the fact it's a rematch doesn't help): Tough fighter who in the previous 2 years had derailed multiple world ranked prospects/contenders: Guinn, Ibragimov, Krasniqi. Undefeated in nearly 8 years.
Sultan Ibragimov: Undefeated WBO champion. Had ended Holyfields dream (we thought) in a means nothing bout but prior to that had swept through a combination of veterans and prospects with the only blemish a draw with Ray Austin.
Lamon Brewster: Former Klitscko conqueror and long time HW force. Suffered an upset at the hands of the White Wolf in a FOTY candidate due to an eye injury but prior to that had also run through a group of world ranked prospects, contenders.
Ray Austin: Yeah... this one's not that great. Still had big wins over fellow prospects Owen Beck and Jo-el Scott and draws with some other notable fighters.
Calvin Brock: Undefeated challenger who had beaten a host of US and Eastern European contenders and prospects including McCline and Etienne and putting the first loss on Timur Ibragimov's record.
Does
Derek Chisora: UK domestic champion who retired Danny Williams and has two wins against fellow rated prospect Sam Sexton.
Really fit in?