Chinese made products are improving by leaps and bounds

[Big Tuppy Hole]

I buy alot of firearm, camping and outdoor shit from china and for the price its on point

 

[bad seed]

The deeper thinkers amongst us are still conflicted on the matter though. On one side it’s nice to get cheap stuff that works well, on the flip side it sucks to admit that the reason it’s cheap is because Chinese workers are paid shit wages to work in often treacherous conditions, and there is zero concern for the environment that we all ultimately share.

Chinese worker conditions and wages have improved by leaps and bounds to the point that theyre outsourcing the cheapest jobs to Indonesia, India, and elsewhere. And they have the most rapidly improving environmental standards in the world. It will take another generation or two to clean up, but it's amazing what a nation can do when it dedicates its efforts to a goal. China now invests more in renewable energy than any other nation.

 

[Amerikuracana]

It was, and is, made better elsewhere. But uh, yeah, they are finally figuring out how the creative engineers of the world did stuff. It's about time being that the world gave them all that industry starting 25+ years ago.

 

[TeTe]

There is varying levels of quality from there depending on what you what to spend. Their own products for their consumption can be quite good. It's the other countries that outsourced to China that drove up the demand for cheap crap. We wanted the cheapest stuff so we could save money on what we put on the shelves here.

The Chinese have also stepped up their game because they are putting tighter regulations on their manufacturing as well. Of course that always comes at a greater cost as well. The US and other countries may look more to other countries with less manufacturing regulation to buy goods in the near future. Well that and Trump tightening the screws on the Chinese tariffs won't help.

 

[evansusmc2]

Their main problem has been QC for awhile now, but they're taking steps on improving that.

Well it wasn't really a problem since it never existed. Until recently I guess.

 

[evansusmc2]

If you go to a dentist for a crown or implant there's a good chance the impression(mold) of your chomps is being sent to China. Creating crowns, dentures, or implants is for skilled and highly detailed professionals who demand a lot of money. China pumps out good dental products for cheap.

This list of countries that have the US beat in the dental category is huge. I'm talking quality and price even in 3rd world countries.

 

[Philo-Publius]

Anyone notice that products made in China have been rapidly improving the last decade or so? Reminds when Japan was coming out WW2 and they made crap products back then, now they make among the highest quality goods. Same thing happened with South Korea with companies like Samsung and LG.

I think China is next up on the line.

That is because they have been stealing all of our intellectual property for many years.

 

[Plutoburn]

Go buy a Chinese car then. I dare ya

If someone were to give me this for free, I'd take it.

 

[Madmick]

Anyone notice that products made in China have been rapidly improving the last decade or so? Reminds when Japan was coming out WW2 and they made crap products back then, now they make among the highest quality goods. Same thing happened with South Korea with companies like Samsung and LG.

I think China is next up on the line.

It astonished me how few people even knew what "ZTE" was when the headlines hit with the tariff war. It continues to astonish me how many Americans are still ignorant to the names Huawei and Xiaomi.

 

[Madmick]

Another name on the horizon of your daily headlines: Tencent.

 

[horc00]

That is because they have been stealing all of our intellectual property for many years.

More like it was offered to the Chinese by American corporations in exchange for a slice of the huge Chinese market.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Products and probably military equipment and weapons too.



Congrats 1st world on financing the trial and error/ R&D of the Chinese.
You've literally built up what will (or already has) become your largest threat.

I blame our governments as they were either too short sighted or greedy (more likely) to see this coming.
Allowing all the Chinese junk products in and allowing companies to go over there so the Chinese could steal technology, etc.

Great job! If only I weren't so cynical as to believe it was all done by design.

Blame Henry Kissinger and whoever his Ilk may be. He opened up China.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

They make a lot of chinese babies, quality varies from batch to batch.

But not enough females

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Chinese worker conditions and wages have improved by leaps and bounds to the point that theyre outsourcing the cheapest jobs to Indonesia, India, and elsewhere. And they have the most rapidly improving environmental standards in the world. It will take another generation or two to clean up, but it's amazing what a nation can do when it dedicates its efforts to a goal. China now invests more in renewable energy than any other nation.

Lets just hope they improve their enviro standards quickly enough before they deplete ozone

 

[Plutoburn]

That is because they have been stealing all of our intellectual property for many years.

VS stealing actual properties of aboriginal people for decades. Every empire has its sins.

 

[Amerikuracana]

There is varying levels of quality from there depending on what you what to spend. Their own products for their consumption can be quite good. It's the other countries that outsourced to China that drove up the demand for cheap crap. We wanted the cheapest stuff so we could save money on what we put on the shelves here.

The Chinese have also stepped up their game because they are putting tighter regulations on their manufacturing as well. Of course that always comes at a greater cost as well. The US and other countries may look more to other countries with less manufacturing regulation to buy goods in the near future. Well that and Trump tightening the screws on the Chinese tariffs won't help.

When you say "we" are you referring to the comsumer? We had nothing to do with it. The decisions were made for short term stock bumps due to superficial positive changes on the income statement. The executives that made the decisions nearly all got gigantic bonuses (quarterly) based on how pretty they could make the financial statements look. It was never consumer driven on almost any level. Once enough of the stiff was made there, THEN some of the companies that may not have otherwise outsourced felt they needed to, to stay competitive.

We never ended up getting anything cheaper, when you loom at the economy as a whole, and obviously that was never the decision makers comcern.

 

[Philo-Publius]

VS stealing actual properties of aboriginal people for decades. Every empire has its sins.

What is the net value of the "aboriginal" people's stuff?

 

[Madmick]

VS stealing actual properties of aboriginal people for decades. Every empire has its sins.

No, they did that, too. In fact, they're still trying to do it. You should Wiki "Taiwan". Mindblowing stuff.

People who mindlessly equivocate sins as if all sins (or their sum) are equal are evil's greatest abettors.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Thread is 15 yrs too late.

THe moment I realized I could get a Chinese dial indicator that was good to 1/10th of a thou rather than Japanese (never mind Swiss) for $100, I realized that they can make quality stuff as well.

lol


I'll trust an Interapid or Starrett when it comes to that shit over a Chinese dial from some whole saler any day. I've seen the difference 1st hand. Chinese quality control is an oxymoron.


You're also overpaying for your Chinese shit bud, 40$ is more like it

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Durability is another issue I still have with many of their products.


For example, Celestion is a big speaker company for guitar cabs -they were U.K. made for a long time and pretty high quality. They switched over to China sometime in the early 2000's (I believe). Anyway, a buddy of mine purchased a cab with the more modern Vintage 30's (a Celestion made speaker) and while the sound was close to my Brit made V30's, he couldn't get his to last more than a couple of years. He's replaced them a couple times already. Meanwhile, I've still got mine and they've been thru hell and back over a couple decades. And they still sound damn good too.


I could go on with some other examples, but the point is the same -they may have improved in some areas, but the combination of cheap materials used, lack of competent QC, and lack of highly trained labor force make them risky depending on what products you're getting from them. IMO it still worth it to pay for the quality of an instrument or tool depending on what you're looking to do. You do still get what you pay for.