China Uncensored: What is Falun Gong?

Many years later, there are still many people who believe that Mao Zedong only started to attack
the intellectuals after becoming impatient with their overly harsh criticisms. The truth, however,
turned out to be different.
 
Conservative figures place the number of unnatural deaths in China during the Cultural
Revolution at 7.73 million.

People often mistakenly think that the violence and slaughter during the Cultural Revolution
happened mostly during the rebel movements, and that it was the Red Guards and rebels who
committed the killing. However, thousands of officially published Chinese county annuals
indicate that the peak of unnatural deaths during the Cultural Revolution was not in 1966, when
the Red Guards controlled most of the government organizations, or in 1967 when the rebels
fought among different groups with weapons, but rather in 1968 when Mao regained control over
the entire country. The murderers in those infamous cases were often army officers and soldiers,
armed militiamen, and CCP members at all levels of the government.
 
The Great Famine of 1959-1961 in China is the largest famine in human history. Estimated
numbers of “abnormal deaths” in the famine range from 18 to 43 million.
 
On December 8, the wives of Li Baifang, Ma Ming and Zhou Mian went to visit their husbands
in detention, but they were also arrested as members of the AB Corps and cruelly tortured. They
were severely beaten, their bodies and vulvae burned and breasts cut with knives. Under the
cruel torture, Duan Liangbi confessed that Li Wenlin, Jin Wanbang, Liu Di, Zhou Mian, Ma
Ming and others were leaders of the AB Corps and that there were many members of AB Corps
in the Red Army’s schools.
 
In the most serious famines in China’s history prior to the CCP, there were cases in which
families exchanged one another’s children to eat, but nobody ever ate his own children. Under
the CCP’s reign, however, people were driven to eat those who died, cannibalize those who fled
from other regions, and even kill and eat their own children. The writer Sha Qing depicted this
scene in his book Yi Xi Da Di Wan (An Obscure Land of Bayou): In a peasant’s family, a father
was left with only his son and daughter during the Great Famine. One day, the daughter was
driven out of the house by her father. When she came back, she could not find her younger
brother, but saw white oil floating in the cauldron and a pile of bones next to the stove. Several
days later, the father added more water to the pot, and called his daughter to come closer. The
girl was frightened, and pleaded with her father from outside the door, “Daddy, please don’t eat
me. I can collect firewood and cook food for you. If you eat me, nobody else will do this for
you.”
 
After the Lushan Plenum was held in 1959, General Peng Dehuai [15] was stripped of his power
for speaking out for the people. A group of government officials and cadres who dared to speak
the truth were dismissed from their posts, detained or investigated. After that, no one dared to
speak out the truth. At the time of the Great Famine, instead of reporting the truth, people
concealed the facts about the deaths from starvation in order to protect their official positions.
Gansu province even refused food aid from Shaanxi Province, claiming Gansu had too great a
food surplus.
 
However, the existence of the 610 Office has no legal basis. When it issued orders to all organs
under the system of the CCP, there were usua lly no written commands or notifications, only oral
communication. Moreover, it stipulated that all those who receive the orders were forbidden
from making sound or video recordings or even written notes.
 
The experience of the Chinese Communist Party was similar to Russia’s. From the “Mari
Incident” and “April 12th Massacre,”[10] to being suppressed five times in areas controlled by
the Chinese Communists, and eventually to being forced to undertake a 25,000-kilometer
(15,600 miles) “Long March” — the CCP always faced the crisis of being eliminated.
 
Who was cooler - Zhang Fei or Huang Zhong?

Have you read Three Kingdoms? Dreams of Red Mansion? Journey to the West? Outlaws of the Marsh?
 
Looking at the CCP’s history, individuals who retained the mindset of traditional intellectuals
like Chen Duxiu and Qu Qiubai, or who still cared about people’s interests like Hu Yaobang and
Zhao Ziyang, or who are determined to be clean officials and bring real service to the people
such as Zhu Rongji— no matter how much they contributed to the Party, and no matter how
devoid of personal ambitions they were, they were inevitably purged, cast aside, or restricted by
the Party’s interests and discipline.
 
Which Doctor said:
Who was cooler - Zhang Fei or Huang Zhong?

Have you read Three Kingdoms? Dreams of Red Mansion? Journey to the West? Outlaws of the Marsh?
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Obviously, Zhang Fei is cooler, because he is among the three brothers while Huang Zhong is not.
 
Warlord1991 said:
Obviously, Zhang Fei is cooler, because he is among the three brothers while Huang Zhong is not.
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Yeah, but Huang Zhong made that sick bow shot, survived to a ripe age, and had that old man swagger.

Yeah I know, Zhang Fei had the bridge incident. He was my favorite of the peach grove posse, mainly because he was a drunk lunatic - I love that! And his "Just Bleed" attitude is also appealing. Guan Yu? Overrated in my books. Liu Bei, was just okay. Better than Cao Cao but worse than Sun Jian. I like Sun Ce, but never warmed up to Sun Quan.

Did you read the books I asked about? How do you rate them if you did read?

I'm actually learning a lot. Keep it up and I'll keep reading!
 
Which Doctor said:
Yeah, but Huang Zhong made that sick bow shot, survived to a ripe age, and had that old man swagger.

Yeah I know, Zhang Fei had the bridge incident. He was my favorite of the peach grove posse, mainly because he was a drunk lunatic - I love that! And his "Just Bleed" attitude is also appealing. Guan Yu? Overrated in my books. Liu Bei, was just okay. Better than Cao Cao but worse than Sun Jian. I like Sun Ce, but never warmed up to Sun Quan.

Did you read the books I asked about? How do you rate them if you did read?

I'm actually learning a lot. Keep it up and I'll keep reading!
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Zhang Fei...Yide...was an alcoholic who abused those under him. He was fierce and loyal! Those under him separated his head from his shoulders. Why do you feel Guan Yu...Yunchang... is overrated? In many places in southern China...he is still the man out of all those that fought and died during that time. How is Liu Bei...Xuande...better than Cao Cao...Mengde?

Not challenging you...just curious to why you feel this. If Lu Bu...Fengxian...had his head screwed on properly and had control of his emotions...can you think how things might have turned out different? Ahhh...but everything happened as it was suppose to.

I'm not sure Warlord wants his thread hijacked and if not...we can start another. If Warlord does not mind...then we continue here!
 
templewarrior said:
Zhang Fei...Yide...was an alcoholic who abused those under him. He was fierce and loyal! Those under him separated his head from his shoulders. Why do you feel Guan Yu...Yunchang... is overrated? In many places in southern China...he is still the man out of all those that fought and died during that time. How is Liu Bei...Xuande...better than Cao Cao...Mengde?

Not challenging you...just curious to why you feel this. If Lu Bu...Fengxian...had his head screwed on properly and had control of his emotions...can you think how things might have turned out different? Ahhh...but everything happened as it was suppose to.

I'm not sure Warlord wants his thread hijacked and if not...we can start another. If Warlord does not mind...then we continue here!
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We aren't highjacking, just keeping his message on the front page while we wait for more posts of his.

I agree about Lu Bu 100%. I don't think Guan Yu is overrated as a fighter, but I think he timed his acts of loyalty disadvantageously. I know that he is the man. Plus, like I said, Zhang Fei is my guy, so I have to put him over!

As for Liu Bei, I guess it's how you perceive him, as well as Cao Cao. Is Liu Bei the rightful heir? Is he the Robin Hood type figure that was for the people? or is he a cruel megalomaniac like some people claim? Same for Cao Cao; Was he the great uniter? Was he a cruel megalomaniac? Was he just a ruthlessly strategic warlord? I tend to not like "the great uniter" types, like Tokugawa Ieyasu, and I sort of lump the 2 in the same general category.

I'm going to go start rereading 3 Kingdoms right now because it has been too long for me to have a proper discussion. I like where this is going though. Feel free to tell me your thoughts, and you too WARLORD - we aren't highjacking your thread!

Also, we should comment on and discuss Warlord's posts as well; I'd like to hear what you think about his message.
 
Which Doctor said:
We aren't highjacking, just keeping his message on the front page while we wait for more posts of his.

I agree about Lu Bu 100%. I don't think Guan Yu is overrated as a fighter, but I think he timed his acts of loyalty disadvantageously. I know that he is the man. Plus, like I said, Zhang Fei is my guy, so I have to put him over!

As for Liu Bei, I guess it's how you perceive him, as well as Cao Cao. Is Liu Bei the rightful heir? Is he the Robin Hood type figure that was for the people? or is he a cruel megalomaniac like some people claim? Same for Cao Cao; Was he the great uniter? Was he a cruel megalomaniac? Was he just a ruthlessly strategic warlord? I tend to not like "the great uniter" types, like Tokugawa Ieyasu, and I sort of lump the 2 in the same general category.

I'm going to go start rereading 3 Kingdoms right now because it has been too long for me to have a proper discussion. I like where this is going though. Feel free to tell me your thoughts, and you too WARLORD - we aren't highjacking your thread!

Also, we should comment on and discuss Warlord's posts as well; I'd like to hear what you think about his message.
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Thanks for you reply! I have no problem with Zhang Fei other than his treatment of those under him! Yeah...I think it is just our own personal observations on who we like and not like! Hahaha...well said about Liu Bei and Cao Cao! Strange how they both lost! I got into a discussion at work with a girl who hated Cao Cao. She had lived in southern China for some time so mabey that explains it! Although she did not like how Cao Cao used the emperor as such a pawn. I of course see it differently!

I don't know if you have seen but I will put the first video of Three Kingdoms here for you. I think it is 92 episode from 2010 TV series. Of course as in Hollywood no doubt things added that did not happen. Fun watch! Be prepared to not do anything until you are finished watching! I made a thread about this TV series long time ago but it got derailed into some video game about this time frame.

Not a fan of Falun Gong. Read the main book by Li Hongzhi. Was not impressed although I do practice other qigong. Enjoy reading this thread though!

Same with me reading the 3 Kingdoms...it was 2007 last time for me! Time to dust it off and read!

 
templewarrior said:
Thanks for you reply! I have no problem with Zhang Fei other than his treatment of those under him! Yeah...I think it is just our own personal observations on who we like and not like! Hahaha...well said about Liu Bei and Cao Cao! Strange how they both lost! I got into a discussion at work with a girl who hated Cao Cao. She had lived in southern China for some time so mabey that explains it! Although she did not like how Cao Cao used the emperor as such a pawn. I of course see it differently!

I don't know if you have seen but I will put the first video of Three Kingdoms here for you. I think it is 92 episode from 2010 TV series. Of course as in Hollywood no doubt things added that did not happen. Fun watch! Be prepared to not do anything until you are finished watching! I made a thread about this TV series long time ago but it got derailed into some video game about this time frame.

Not a fan of Falun Gong. Read the main book by Li Hongzhi. Was not impressed although I do practice other qigong. Enjoy reading this thread though!

Same with me reading the 3 Kingdoms...it was 2007 last time for me! Time to dust it off and read!

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Zhang Fei - I like his crazy spirit! But, he was a jerk and got really sloppy when given power.

I know and have played the videogames that were mentioned in your other thread. Funnily enough I found out about 3 Kingdoms from video games in the 80's, and have played many others featuring that period since. I know about this TV series but I've never seen a subtitled version. I will check it out. Have you read Records of the 3 Kingdoms/San Guo Ji?

What didn't you like about Falun Gong book? Not trying to start an argument between you and Warlord, just asking. Before this thread I knew it only as some religious group that had heat with the government. Reply here or pm me - whichever suits you.
 
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