International Chickity Check Yoself Befoe You Wreck Yoself -Trumps USA puts Iran on Notice

filthybliss said:
This is the dumbest thing that I had heard. We had the excuse of 9/11 and Saddam genociding Kurds with weapons that we gifted him for the Iraq War. Here, we are just going to war because Netanyahu’s interests. This isn’t America first. Israel can deal with their battle directly, we don’t need to send American Troops as meat shields for conflict there.

With Iran, we don’t have any of those excuses. Nation reconstruction is the hard part. Deleting the Iranian Regime or Saddam isn’t so difficult but doing so without creating a future ISIS is the hard part.

Also Russia is way more powerful and more violent than Iran yet Trump is gagging on their balls…
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What is the link between 9/11 and invading Iraq? I mean, I could understand if Iraq had foreknowledge of 9/11, didn't warn America, set up a fake moving company with their intelligence agency and had the agents film the attack and dance and laugh as it happens, then I could see invading Iraq, but they didn't do any of that, only Israel did, who apparently is rewarded with all their enemies being invaded with American soldiers.
 
filthybliss said:
We wouldn’t be pushing for conflict with Iran under a different POTUS.
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Terrible foreign policy that only hurts Americans has always been a bipartisan effort, regardless of what anyone promises. Don't you get tired of looping cheetolini into everything?
 
filthybliss said:
Tucker Carlson, the former Fox News star who is deeply embedded within Donald Trump’s inner circle, warned the president this week that a strike on Iran “would certainly result” in a war that would cost billions of dollars and lead to “thousands of American deaths” in the region.

“The cost of future acts of terrorism on American soil may be even higher. Those aren’t guesses,” the MAGA podcaster addedon Monday evening. “Those are the Pentagon’s own estimates. A bombing campaign against Iran will set off a war, and it will be America’s war. Don’t let the propagandists lie to you.”

www.independent.co.uk

Can Tucker talk Trump down from escalating war with Iran? He’s done it before.

Tucker Carlson is urging the president to not ‘let the propagandists lie to you’ and back away from escalating a military conflict with Iran. The former Fox News host did the same thing after the killing of Qasem Soleimani threatened a regional war in the Middle East.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Well the first problem is Trump and his administration along with news affiliations are the propagandists ? So how can he be unaware of being lied to he’s king of the liars ?

If Trump decides something it’s either he’s just oblivious and or there’s a financial gain somewhere another possibility is he wants a distraction from the corruption he’s doing here and any negative backlash he could blame a war on along with JOE BIDEN ?
 
Kassitus said:
Terrible foreign policy that only hurts Americans has always been a bipartisan effort, regardless of what anyone promises. Don't you get tired of looping cheetolini into everything?
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You loop the Jews and Israel into everything. Take a look in the mirror, bro.


Kassitus said:
What is the link between 9/11 and invading Iraq? I mean, I could understand if Iraq had foreknowledge of 9/11, didn't warn America, set up a fake moving company with their intelligence agency and had the agents film the attack and dance and laugh as it happens, then I could see invading Iraq, but they didn't do any of that, only Israel did, who apparently is rewarded with all their enemies being invaded with American soldiers.
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We thought apparently Bin Laden was camping there. You really think we went to war in Iraq just because they were Israel’s enemies?

If Israel had such a tight grip on America, Dick Cheney wouldn’t coerce Israel to return Mt. Sinai to Egypt…
 
filthybliss said:
You loop the Jews and Israel into everything. Take a look in the mirror, bro.



We thought apparently Bin Laden was camping there. You really think we went to war in Iraq just because they were Israel’s enemies?

If Israel had such a tight grip on America, Dick Cheney wouldn’t coerce Israel to return Mt. Sinai to Egypt…
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Looping Jews and Israel into whats wrong with America's foreign policy is entirely appropriate and I defend doing so.

9/11 being a casus belli for the invasion of Iraq didn't make sense 20 years ago when neocons first rolled that out and it's been refuted 1000 times. Saddam wasn't sheltering Bin Laden or co-operating with him in any way and there was no reason to believe he was. It was simply a conspiracy theory peddled by the neocons.
 
Iraq was about a fake weapons of destruction narrative and oil. It was a banana peel or excuse to go in because Bush Jr had personal beef with Saddam over 'Daddy." Outside of that there was very little reason to go into that country.

General Soleimani was effing around and found out. He was responsible for killing many Americans and it was sanctioned by the mullahs. The many proxies that Iran is supporting have similar endeavors. The Houthis are finding out now. And Trump is now using them as a banana peel for starting war with Iran who very likely has a nuclear weapons program.
 
USA!USA! said:
Normally I'd say its unlikely that nukes get used by anyone, even hostile states like Russia.. but when you have a state like Iran with a bunch of cavemen calling the shots, you never know.. so I'd say all hands on deck to make sure those bad guys don't accomplish their goals.
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What major irrational acts has Iran committed in recent years? Most of their foreign policy is fairly mundane realpolitik.
 
USA!USA! said:
lol ok buddy I’m done.. yeah funding terrorists to sink commercial cargo vessels is not something the US does so shut the fuck up
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Is funding the Taliban in the 80s any better? Or more regionally appropriate, we backed Saddam and helped with his WMD programs that he turned on his own citizens. You sure you want to tell me that the US isn't above underhanded tactics in pursuit of its worldview and goals?
 
BluntForceTrama said:
Well that depends on if you believe whether or not they have or are very close to getting a bomb. They've made no secret that that they wouldn't mind if we didn't exist anymore. This is an enemy of the state and generally just a bunch of dobadders.
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Trump tore up the nuclear deal that Iran was following and the US has been warmongering about Iran for years. The CIA and MI6 helped overthrow their democratically elected government in 1953.

The US government is the reason for its own problems, including Iran possibly seeking nukes.
 
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avenue94 said:
Is funding the Taliban in the 80s any better? Or more regionally appropriate, we backed Saddam and helped with his WMD programs that he turned on his own citizens. You sure you want to tell me that the US isn't above underhanded tactics in pursuit of its worldview and goals?
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How does any of that mean they should allow the Houthis to fire missiles at whoever they want to nowadays? You are seriously against protecting civilian and trade ships? Really?
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Iran boasts significant natural resources, including substantial oil and natural gas reserves, ranking among the world's top countries in both, as well as various minerals like coal, copper, iron ore, and lead.
Here's a more detailed look at Iran's natural resources:
Fossil Fuels:
Oil: Iran holds the world's third-largest proven oil reserves and is a major oil producer.
Natural Gas: Iran possesses the second-largest natural gas reserves globally.
Coal: Iran also has coal reserves, which are used for electricity generation and other purposes.
Minerals:
Copper: Iran has significant copper reserves, with the world's ninth-largest reserves in 2011.
Iron Ore: Iran possesses substantial iron ore reserves, ranking among the world's largest producers.
Lead: Iran has lead reserves, with the world's eleventh-largest reserves.
Zinc: Iran has large zinc reserves, with the world's largest.
Chromium, Manganese, and Sulfur: Iran also has reserves of chromium, manganese, and sulfur.
Uranium: Iran has uranium reserves, with the world's tenth-largest in 2013.
Other Minerals: Iran also has reserves of gold, silver, and other minerals.


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Resources, particularly oil, were why the CIA and MI6 backed a coup to overthrow their government in 1953.
 
USA!USA! said:
How does any of that mean they should allow the Houthis to fire missiles at whoever they want to nowadays? You are seriously against protecting civilian and trade ships? Really?
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When did I say that?

Your original comment implied that Iran would instantly go off the rails if they got nukes. There's not much evidence of that, unless you're aruging that Iran literally has a death wish.

Which would be odd, given the thing 99% of totalitarian governments love most is staying in power.
 
avenue94 said:
When did I say that?

Your original comment implied that Iran would instantly go off the rails if they got nukes. There's not much evidence of that, unless you're aruging that Iran literally has a death wish.

Which would be odd, given the thing 99% of totalitarian governments love most is staying in power.
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If they were concerned with avoiding conflict they’d stop funding the terrorist groups that are causing their ops to be pissed off, no?

I’m not saying they’d go off the rails if they got nukes.. I’m saying they are already off the rails and that’s why they should not be allowed to have them.
 
USA!USA! said:
If they were concerned with avoiding conflict they’d stop funding the terrorist groups that are causing their ops to be pissed off, no?

I’m not saying they’d go off the rails if they got nukes.. I’m saying they are already off the rails and that’s why they should not be allowed to have them.
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It's their way of trying to gain leverage and needle superior military forces. The US lost its leverage when trump fucked up the deal we had agreed to with Iran.

What do you think Iran realistically wants right now? What's their foreign policy objective?
 
avenue94 said:
It's their way of trying to gain leverage and needle superior military forces. The US lost its leverage when trump fucked up the deal we had agreed to with Iran.

What do you think Iran realistically wants right now? What's their foreign policy objective?
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To defeat the “Great Satan” and “Little Satan” lol - that is literally what they call the US and Israel. That and to spread their religious fundamentalism in the region and be the most powerful country in the Middle East while maintaining their theocracy.

They are not a rational regime and should not be allowed to have nukes. Period.
 
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