Social Charlie Kirk Shot and Killed

[DoctorTaco]

Just dropping in to check on everyone, I brought waters
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I see we're still comfortably in the "What would you suggest?" cul-de-sac of bait & bad faith.

We always end up here, every time without fail. 80% of the posters in this thread are repeating themselves for the umpteenth time, knowing exactly what everyone else is gonna say..

This is some "time's a flat circle" shit, nothings getting fixed, it's been this way since forever
I think it's just the unfortunate cost of doing business here now.

That said, Happy new year y'all, be safe out there

Appreciate the water though

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

Appreciate the water though

You bet lol

 

[Confucamus]

Already posted and quoted by multiple people here. You and @nostrodumbfuck are just playing stupid with Kirk's comments.

Yes, I see you using the "it was already posted" excuse with me and other posters. It would take less energy for you to just actually re-post the proof if it really was shown in the thread that Kirk said there was nothing to do about school shootings. That, along with you dodging @Bob Gray and @PainIsLIfe, is plain for everybody to see. You don't get to say I'm playing stupid with Kirk's own words when I posted a video of what he actually said, meanwhile you just start blabbering like a coward to avoid admitting you lied.

You always do this, so maybe it's a christian thing, but whenever you start losing an argument you suddenly ask, "Do you have the exact leading quote that says _________? Because if you don't have that exact quote then I'm gonna start crying and say everyone's lying."

You are repeating something multiple times as a fact with no source. Crying "OMG YOU ALWAYS DO THIS!!" when somebody simply asks you to back up what you keep repeating is a very bad look. Especially since you avoided the video I posted of Kirk directly contradicting your claims.

Kirk made light of kids getting killed, as well as many others. I know you tards right that off as joking, or not being serious. I'm gonna hold a christian to his words.

Deal with it DEI mod.

 

[kflo]

After 1000 years of the church's existence

there was no official position the prior 1000 years. this view was a common view for many of those 1000 years.

It didn't. It took philosophers 1200 years to influence a pope to say life doesn't begin at conception.

it was a common interpretation for hundreds of years prior. there was no official church view.

Because its obvious from reading the Bible itself. Something the church actually frowned on, btw.




Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;

^^ Is that not the word of God? That would answer what Jesus taught/thought.

lol. you're quoting the old testament as proof jesus taught life at conception. yet jews don't take the position that life begins at conception. but somehow you've determined that THAT is all the evidence you need. it's comical.

 

[HereticBD]

The problem is that in a Columbine shooting the shooter doesn’t care about being detected…

Sure, but you could say that about any scenario. There's always that suicidal maniac you're not always gonna be able to stop. Doesn't mean you don't do what you can.

The negative to staff and students is they’re now going through lines being treated like potential criminals.

Oh' come on. Should we not have metal detectors at airports for the same reason? That's the same argument used against having police or guards in the school. Okay, so enjoy your unsecured school, I guess. I mean, what else is a realistic solution, since I think you can agree that the guns are going nowhere.

Ask yourself if you personally would have wanted to be treated this way when you were 14. I’m sure you can see the negative then.

Depends how many shootings are going on around me. It certainly wouldn't traumatize me in any way, though. It's a security check like any other.

 

[UberHere]

Metal detectors are not a good solution. They come with a lot of negatives for the staff and the school. They also likely will prevent individual shootings, but not do much to deter a Columbine style shooting.

Risk vs reward. Deal with the inconvenience to prevent something that might not happen or potentially have a massacre? It’s certainly more of a viable solution than “gun control”.

A Columbine type shooting would absolutely not happen if the perps can’t even get in the school without triggering an alarm. And no the lines don’t take long at all to get in.

 

[Ares Black]

Risk vs reward. Deal with the inconvenience to prevent something that might not happen or potentially have a massacre? It’s certainly more of a viable solution than “gun control”.

Weird that gun control works pretty well everywhere that they have actually tried it.

Metal detectors in schools are only an American thing, and they don't appear to be working particularly well.

 

[Darkballs]

Yes, I see you using the "it was already posted" excuse with me and other posters.

Not just me, several others as well. Everything Kirk said gets dismissed as a joke. That time he dressed up as Pelosi's attacker on halloween, hilarious joke. That time he talked about Palestinian kids getting killed, or gays thrown off roofs, or that there is nothing to be done about school shootings that would be worth it; just joke after joke after joke with this guy. So I'm not sure why you're acting all butthurt in this thread. Everything you're upset people saying about Kirk, also just a joke.

But since you seem so concerned about my honest take on this issue, how are we on Ghislaine Maxwell? Because three months ago you told me that she was definitely helping trump get to the bottom of the Epstein case, because there was no way that trump would just move a convicted pdf'ile to a nicer prison just to help himself. I was just wondering if you had an update on how that was going? Still standing by that statement, kid?

Now do you really think anyone here cares about your take on our character, when we all know you're happy to lie your balls off over what the rest of us think is the most disgusting act one could commit?

 

[UberHere]

Weird that gun control works pretty well everywhere that they have actually tried it.

Metal detectors in schools are only an American thing, and they don't appear to be working particularly well.

Well we have this thing called the Constitution so that’s gonna be a tough one to get around.

They work great here. They don’t stop gang violence on the streets, but no one is getting shot in the schools.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Risk vs reward. Deal with the inconvenience to prevent something that might not happen or potentially have a massacre? It’s certainly more of a viable solution than “gun control”.

A Columbine type shooting would absolutely not happen if the perps can’t even get in the school without triggering an alarm. And no the lines don’t take long at all to get in.

You’re flat out wrong about this. This isn’t just some opinion I am making up. The fact is that with a columbine style school shooting it just does nothing. So no it is not a more viable solution. It’s a non solution. It’s the solution that the anti gun control crowd try’s to sell because the real truth is that they themselves don’t want to be inconvenienced and would rather push that onto the crowd that’s too young to have a say in the matter.

I will also say right now that if you’re pitching any one idea to solve this problem, then you’re wrong. No one thing is going to solve this. We’ve also already seen metal detectors and on school police fail to stop these shootings. So now we are pitching paying more to run schools, introducing a host of issues that having a police presence in school always introduces, and we aren’t getting the results from it that we want.

I’m not going to tell you that gun control is “the answer”. There is not one answer. It certainly would help though.

 

[UberHere]

You’re flat out wrong about this. This isn’t just some opinion I am making up. The fact is that with a columbine style school shooting it just does nothing. So no it is not a more viable solution. It’s a non solution. It’s the solution that the anti gun control crowd try’s to sell because the real truth is that they themselves don’t want to be inconvenienced and would rather push that onto the crowd that’s too young to have a say in the matter.

I will also say right now that if you’re pitching any one idea to solve this problem, then you’re wrong. No one thing is going to solve this. We’ve also already seen metal detectors and on school police fail to stop these shootings. So now we are pitching paying more to run schools, introducing a host of issues that having a police presence in school always introduces, and we aren’t getting the results from it that we want.

I’m not going to tell you that gun control is “the answer”. There is not one answer. It certainly would help though.

I agree that complex problems require complex solutions with multiple angles. I also agree that gun control would absolutely reduce gun related deaths but it’s not something can realistically be implemented.
It’s obviously easier to pay more money to make schools safer than to get around an amendment of the constitution,

 

[Ares Black]

Well we have this thing called the Constitution so that’s gonna be a tough one to get around.

Doesn't stop Trump

They work great here. They don’t stop gang violence on the streets, but no one is getting shot in the schools.

Uhhhhh

 

[Blayt7hh]

Sure, but you could say that about any scenario. There's always that suicidal maniac you're not always gonna be able to stop. Doesn't mean you don't do what you can.

Oh' come on. Should we not have metal detectors at airports for the same reason? That's the same argument used against having police or guards in the school. Okay, so enjoy your unsecured school, I guess. I mean, what else is a realistic solution, since I think you can agree that the guns are going nowhere.

Depends how many shootings are going on around me. It certainly wouldn't traumatize me in any way, though. It's a security check like any other.

No you can’t say that about any scenario. This is literally the scenario we are talking about. This is the epidemic in the US that we are talking about trying to prevent. So what you just tacitly admitted if you realize it or not, is that this metal detector solution is a non solution to the problem we are talking about.

As for the airport analogy, you don’t go to the airport every day. We are talking about students having to deal with this 200 days a year.

I call bullshit on it not having an effect on you. Any of these dehumanizing security enforcements have effects on people’s psyche. If you really don’t think it would then I would wager you don’t really deal with them.

Am I telling you that we should rule out detectors because of that alone? No. I’m saying it’s a serious consideration in the con category of the pros and cons. In some schools if there are problems with stuff like gang violence maybe detectors are a good solution. They are not a solution for the mass shooter problem which you admitted, so why would we introduce those cons when we know it won’t solve that problem?

 

[Blayt7hh]

I agree that complex problems require complex solutions with multiple angles. I also agree that gun control would absolutely reduce gun related deaths but it’s not something can realistically be implemented.
It’s obviously easier to pay more money to make schools safer than to get around an amendment of the constitution,

Well no it isn’t. You don’t have to outlaw guns to make it harder to get ahold of high capacity weapons. Gun control is not a zero sum game that means you either have full access to everything or nothing. That’s the way the conversation always gets sold as in this country because the people who don’t want any gun control always try to boil it down to a binary choice.

The other problem with implementing gun control measures is in the gun industry and the lobbyists that make sure that now law will ever get passed to make it happen.

To be clear I’m not exactly pro gun control. It’s an issue I’ve always been a fence sitter on. It is a solution that has some viability.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Actually, he didn't mention anyone dying except the gays being thrown off rooftops. He says no tall buildings now.

This is just cope, we know that the joke comes at the expense of the immense suffering of the Palestinians. If he was a comedian that'd be one thing but he's not, he's a political operative and thus it was incredibly crass. He had the right to say it and it doesn't in anyway justify what happened to him but it does justify the jokes at his expense.

He certainly seems to blame all the Palestinians for the Oct 7 attacks, but I wonder if you would be upset if he hadn't said "stupid Muslims"

Ah yes I'm famously indifferent to the Palestinians.

Anyway, now that you see that Kirk was happy to speak ill of the dead you can see why those he spoke ill of are ready to return the favor right?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Da fuk are you on about?

They didnt go there to call for Pence to be hung. He sent a bus for a rally. People at the rally started calling for Pence to be hung.

Yes and one of the people he bussed to the riot plead guilty to assaulting a police officer

Kirk is like a caricature of a Soros operative except he actually existed but since he carried out political agitation for the populist right he's canonized as a saint by the kind of people who normally make conspiracies about such folks.

 

[Islam Imamate]

K

60,000 estimated civilian deaths in Gaza. Not counting the bodies unrecovered from the rubble. Kirk’s response?

According to Painislife since Kirk didn't use the words "kill" or "die" it doesn't count. See he's making fun of the buildings themselves, not the Palestinians crushed under their rubble.

 

[DoctorTaco]

A Columbine type shooting would absolutely not happen if the perps can’t even get in the school without triggering an alarm.

Help me understand why not.

A couple kids load up assault rifles, pistols, and homemade bombs onto their person. They arrive at school after school has started and walk past the metal detector setting off an alarm.

What’s stopping them from murdering kids at this point?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well no it isn’t. You don’t have to outlaw guns to make it harder to get ahold of high capacity weapons. Gun control is not a zero sum game that means you either have full access to everything or nothing. That’s the way the conversation always gets sold as in this country because the people who don’t want any gun control always try to boil it down to a binary choice.

The other problem with implementing gun control measures is in the gun industry and the lobbyists that make sure that now law will ever get passed to make it happen.

To be clear I’m not exactly pro gun control. It’s an issue I’ve always been a fence sitter on. It is a solution that has some viability.

I'm personally against gun control and specifically assault weapons bans and similar legislation like regulations on high capacity magazines. However, given how controversial Keep was in life I think it's completely fair to make the argument at his expense that his own beliefs led to this.

That right wingers clutch their pearls over this is rich when they did the same thing to Ryan Carson, a progressive activist whose murder was caught on CCTV. That one was more egregious in my opinion because Carson wasn't a public figure nor did he work on criminal justice reform. They even spread lies about his girlfriend while she was grieving including an elected GOP Councilwoman in NYC.

They reserve the right to mock and harrass progressives who are murdered as well as their loved ones while at the same time asserting you shouldn't be able to reciprocate.

 

[HereticBD]

No you can’t say that about any scenario. This is literally the scenario we are talking about. This is the epidemic in the US that we are talking about trying to prevent. So what you just tacitly admitted if you realize it or not, is that this metal detector solution is a non solution to the problem we are talking about.

As for the airport analogy, you don’t go to the airport every day. We are talking about students having to deal with this 200 days a year.

I call bullshit on it not having an effect on you. Any of these dehumanizing security enforcements have effects on people’s psyche. If you really don’t think it would then I would wager you don’t really deal with them.

Am I telling you that we should rule out detectors because of that alone? No. I’m saying it’s a serious consideration in the con category of the pros and cons. In some schools if there are problems with stuff like gang violence maybe detectors are a good solution. They are not a solution for the mass shooter problem which you admitted, so why would we introduce those cons when we know it won’t solve that problem?

Well, your "cons" are ridiculous. You're talking as if walking through a metal detector is a full body cavity search. Sorry, but no, I don't see walking through a metal detector as this traumatizing event that you're trying to frame it as. It would not have any effect on me, much like it doesn't anybody else who does it daily. It's not a big deal at all.