Social Charlie Kirk Shot and Killed

AZ103 said:
Do we have the ability to not give our tax dollars? Because I would opt out for sure.
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sadly there is no opt out because you're going pay for the stay. but on a side note you can always get your order in for some watches and sneakers.
 
Crazy Source said:
Do you think this was a new thing? I'm liberal. You are painting me as a fucking monster.

"It's honestly terrifying, watching liberalism get corrupted into fascism right before your eyes"

Do you think I contributed to this?
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Yeah man if you ask around you'll find out I've actually been liberal for many years. Up until they decided to split the party over identity politics and I started getting told I'm a bigot for not believing that gender is something you can change on a whim every day.

Now I don't really have anywhere to go as I'm not republican, hate Trump, and can't go along with the left anymore as they've allowed the entire party to become poisoned by identity politics.
 
Mike said:
Yeah man if you ask around you'll find out I've actually been liberal for many years. Up until they decided to split the party over identity politics and I started getting told I'm a bigot for not believing that gender is something you can change on a whim every day.

Now I don't really have anywhere to go as I'm not republican, hate Trump, and can't go along with the left anymore as they've allowed the entire party to become poisoned by identity politics.
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it's a big tent - it stretches from DSA types like AOC to blue dogs. I'm a capitalist social democrat so I get hit from the left on occasion as well - I'm an independent.

You can still be in the party. It's not like anybody likes anybody in it anyways. It's a matter of necessity due to a two party system.

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Blue Dog Coalition - Wikipedia

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Crazy Source said:
Bro, there does not need to be a long convo about them. They are kids. Sounds like you don't know how to handle your business.

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Compared to old fucks like us they're kids, but these are fully grown adults capable of voting and etc.

Fully grown, but they have the maturity and mentality of angsty junior high kids when it comes to.any serious discussion. Everything will be fine though as long as you simply always agree with everything they say and never challenge them on anything.
 
BAM said:
it's a big tent - it stretches from DSA types like AOC to blue dogs. I'm a capitalist social democrat so I get hit from the left on occasion as well - I'm an independent.

You can still be in the party. It's not like anybody likes anybody in it anyways. It's a matter of necessity due to a two party system.

en.wikipedia.org

Blue Dog Coalition - Wikipedia

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Yeah I didn't post on here for awhile and came back one day and everyone was bashing me as a right winger. And all my positions are exactly the same as they've always been except the trans stuff. It's pretty weird and I'm probably not the only one in this position right now.

Thanks for the info, I think I do need to start looking into a more conservative organization to be a part of that's still democratic.
 
Crazy Source said:
Bro, there does not need to be a long convo about them. They are kids. Sounds like you don't know how to handle your business.

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I mean if we're all in an adult education class specifically designed for 18+ people than yeah, in that setting I'm gonna be interacting with them. It's not like I was out trolling the high schools trying to pick up chicks lmao.

These were debates proctored by professors in a classroom setting.
 
Mike said:
Yeah I didn't post on here for awhile and came back one day and everyone was bashing me as a right winger. And all my positions are exactly the same as they've always been except the trans stuff. It's pretty weird and I'm probably not the only one in this position right now.

Thanks for the info, I think I do need to start looking into a more conservative organization to be a part of that's still democratic.
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I know what you mean. Not everybody is judging you. Whether you are on the right or left is relative to where you live.
  • Where I live, I am considered dead center. A liberal in most other countries is a center right wing party. I vote typically Labor, occasionally with Greens.
  • In America, I am considered "left" or "progressive". Which shows how capitalistic and right leaning America is. If I were still there, I'd be voting Democrat, reluctantly but not as registered Democrat. Two party system is trash.
  • On this forum, I guess I am considered far left, but that's bullshit because I'm still a capitalist and that makes no sense. There are actual leftists here (socialists).
If everything is the same and the only thing that's out of allignment is the trans stuff. I'd just say you are a centrist dem or "moderate". Blue Dog is more conservative than that.
 
BAM said:
I know what you mean. Not everybody is judging you. Whether you are on the right or left is relative to where you live.
  • Where I live, I am considered dead center. A liberal in most other countries is a center right wing party. I vote typically Labor, occasionally with Greens.
  • In America, I am considered "left" or "progressive". Which shows how capitalistic and right leaning America is. If I were still there, I'd be voting Democrat, reluctantly but not as registered Democrat. Two party system is trash.
  • On this forum, I guess I am considered far left, but that's bullshit because I'm still a capitalist and that makes no sense. There are actual leftists here (socialists).
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Yeah didn't mean to make it sound like I'm persecuted or anything. It's just that years ago I posted here a lot and was always attacked for being a commie leftist. So it was fuckin weird to come back here after a long break and all of a sudden leftist posters are attacking me as a right wing shill. And I only changed my mind on one issue, so that's weird as hell to me.

Right now the left is in the middle of recategorizing everyone by identity politics. And I don't seem to fit into that new mainstream left at all. They're weakening and splitting the party by going so hard on this trans stuff, they need to read the room and realize quite a lot of people are left on a lot of issues but do not support transgender people and are willing to leave the party over it.
 
Mike said:
Yeah didn't mean to make it sound like I'm persecuted or anything. It's just that years ago I posted here a lot and was always attacked for being a commie leftist. So it was fuckin weird to come back here after a long break and all of a sudden leftist posters are attacking me as a right wing shill. And I only changed my mind on one issue, so that's weird as hell to me.

Right now the left is in the middle of recategorizing everyone by identity politics. And I don't seem to fit into that new mainstream left at all. They're weakening and splitting the party by going so hard on this trans stuff, they need to read the room and realize quite a lot of people are left on a lot of issues but do not support transgender people and are willing to leave the party over it.
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tbh, I think that's more online, and trans people are hyper online because they don't fit into irl social groups.

it's been a DNC talking point ever since they lost in November about how to best hedge and message on trans rights. Obviously, there's pushback to that. I don't think they have a firm position. The leadership of the DNC has been pretty crap.
 
Mike said:
Occams razor man JFC. Of course it's a developing story and we still don't have all the info. Yes. But acting like we can't possibly draw any conclusions from what we have is super disingenuous.
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We can draw some conclusions but idk about that one.
Mike said:
We have a right wing speaker that was anti trans that was murdered, and the murderer scribbled memes about trans people on the bullets and is living with and dating a trans person. I mean fuck it COULD be a total coincidence and unrelated but you know what, probably not lmao.
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Wait is that true? I thought that was a misunderstanding?
 
Da Speeit said:
Yes, i'm fully aware now more than ever, that if people on the left find your views abhorrent, they're not interested in talking about them and they think society can't function if you are to speak your mind about them.
Someone just got shot in the neck in front of his children due to this exact mode of thinking, don't know if you saw that.
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Republicans pushed an executive order banning the topic of transgenderism not just from schools, but from college campuses as well. Professors and faculty at Texas A&M were just fired for daring to be adults broaching the subject after republicans screeched for big daddy government to punish them for their speech.

So when you accuse the left of not being interested in talking about stuff and thinking society can’t function if we do, the right is so obsessed with it they bring in the government to enforce it
 
Islam Imamate said:
We can draw some conclusions but idk about that one.

Wait is that true? I thought that was a misunderstanding?
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Unless I missed something somewhere I thought the OwO bulges thing was confirmed.
 
AZ103 said:
More gas lighting and panic wrestling from the violence against speech crowd. This entire thread is filled with conservatives sympathizing with Charlie's friends and family. Say another thing thats not true.
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This thread is filled with conservatives gleefully dancing on Kirk's grave to score maximum partisan damage. They're ecstatic that he got murdered on camera, makes him the perfect martyr.
 
Fox by the Sea said:
Can you give examples of posts in this thread where people express being ecstatic that he got murdered on camera?
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All the posts dripping with crocodile tears while calling for vengeance and retaliation, these people couldn't be more happy that Kirk got shot in the neck on camera when he did because it makes him the perfect martyr for their rage baiting.
 
Islam Imamate said:
This thread is filled with conservatives gleefully dancing on Kirk's grave to score maximum partisan damage. They're ecstatic that he got murdered on camera, makes him the perfect martyr.
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Shameful transparent projecting. Continue to claim its the conservatives who are celebrating, anyone with eyes can see the opposite.
 
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