Charles doesn't need to take Gaethje down

NoBiasJustMMA said:
He's still far more proven at LW than Conor and has looked much better in the last 4 years or so than Conor.
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The same Conor that gave Khabib is toughest fight and won a round or two .. who beat Cowboy faster and better than Justin ? .. Who lost because a calf injury and a freak leg break? Justin almost lost to Chandler other than that who has he beat that is good? Tony should not even be in UFC no more he got that bad for whatever reason...

Lol and you said he's more proven? he was the legit champ not a interim champ .. beat Diaz 2 out of 3 times Justin would lose to Nate also
 
ShadowRun said:
Lol what are you smoking noob.. Justin lost to Alveraz and Dustin in the last three years and beat cans besides Chandler
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I mean any version of Conor from 2016 onward loses to Gaethje of today, if that wasn't clear. If you still disagree, get off conors nuts
 
fortheo said:
When did Dustin let him off the hook? Dustin knocked him down, then jumped into oliveira's guard and quickly realized it was a mistake, so he disengaged. Had he disengaged sooner in the second round, he never would have spent the whole round on his back.

If you mean that Justin will make Charles stand up much sooner after hurting him, thus giving him less time to recover, then I agree.
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Meaning he won’t dive in and waste precious seconds letting Charles recover. He will let him stand back up and punish him.
 
glavinator said:
I mean any version of Conor from 2016 onward loses to Gaethje of today, if that wasn't clear. If you still disagree, get off conors nuts
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You can't be serious about this ? Conor would lose to Olivera and Khabib again but it would be completive Justin get's dominated and destroy and Conor beat's Justin easily lol.. That is why Justin has avoided fighting Conor
 
Both men are vulnerable where the other is most dangerous, which should make for a fun fight and likely a decisive outcome.
 
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ShadowRun said:
You can't be serious about this ? Conor would lose to Olivera and Khabib again but it would be completive Justin get's dominated and destroy and Conor beat's Justin easily lol.. That is why Justin has avoided fighting Conor
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Man he is an absolute shell of his former self, a broken one at that. He would lose easily to those two, poirer again as well. I wouldn't even bet on him over ferg or nate at this point
 
ShadowRun said:
The same Conor that gave Khabib is toughest fight and won a round or two .. who beat Cowboy faster and better than Justin ? .. Who lost because a calf injury and a freak leg break? Justin almost lost to Chandler other than that who has he beat that is good? Tony should not even be in UFC no more he got that bad for whatever reason...

Lol and you said he's more proven? he was the legit champ not a interim champ .. beat Diaz 2 out of 3 times Justin would lose to Nate also
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Conor broke the rules like 18 times in his fight with Khabib between all the cage grabbing, shorts grabbing, glove grabbing, knees on the ground while his opponent was mid submission on him. Conor has one top 10 win at LW and a bunch of losses, Gaethje has multiple top 10 wins at LW and way more wins at LW in general than Conor.
 
I've said this for a while. People saying "Charles will never get so-and-so down" - he doesn't have to. He figured that out a long time ago. With most elite BJJ guys you just have to avoid the TD (think Maia vs Coby/Usman/Woodley), but with Do Bronx, not that easy.
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
Conor broke the rules like 18 times in his fight with Khabib between all the cage grabbing, shorts grabbing, glove grabbing, knees on the ground while his opponent was mid submission on him. Conor has one top 10 win at LW and a bunch of losses, Gaethje has multiple top 10 wins at LW and way more wins at LW in general than Conor.
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Ok Justin get off Sherdog and train for your your next lost vs Olivera
 
Justin has always had very limited technical ability, he's gotten by his entire career because of his toughness. The problem for him in this fight is that Charles isn't going to only be head hunting like most of the other guys in the division. Very bad matchup for Justin here.
 
Justin is fokkeddddd
Never too late to learn bjj hahha
 
Oliveria will stand with Geathje until his leg folds from all the kicks Justin will place on him.
 
fortheo said:
I think gaethje is going to avoid the clinch range like the plague. He can fight long with leg kicks, but Charles has that muy thai stance that is built for dealing with leg kicks. Also, gaethje is very hittable to the body, and charles attacks the body often. Not to mention that even if gaethje knocks charles down, he's not going to follow charles to the mat and charles will have a free few seconds of recovery. I don't think this is a good match up for gaethje, but he has a punchers chance and charles is there to be hit at times.
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Depends whether Gaethje finds his boxing range imo, 4 inch disadvantage, Do Bronx moves forward quick and with a crazy mix of moves, if teeps beat the jab then I could see Justin abandoning distance for the scrap option(he’s not the most diverse with game plans IMO) , potentially not by choice but necessity, Dustin had to engage in the clinch whether he liked it or not, I think Gaethje is happier there, has a knack for catching people on the break, should he not gass or get wobbly.

Odds on a rolling thunder kick?
 
fortheo said:
I think gaethje is going to avoid the clinch range like the plague. He can fight long with leg kicks, but Charles has that muy thai stance that is built for dealing with leg kicks. Also, gaethje is very hittable to the body, and charles attacks the body often. Not to mention that even if gaethje knocks charles down, he's not going to follow charles to the mat and charles will have a free few seconds of recovery. I don't think this is a good match up for gaethje, but he has a punchers chance and charles is there to be hit at times.
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Tony had almost no success against Gaethje’s counter striking. When Gaethje is fighting smart he’s just as elite as Dustin’s striking.
Olivera was handling himself well in the fire fight but Gaethje made both Tony and Chandler shy away from his power and they’re tough as they come.

Barboza also had a great stance for checking leg kicks too and he got his leg chewed up quickly. Gaethje can fight like a dummy (Chandler fight) and it costs him but when he’s fighting smart and on point he’s probably the best counter striker at LW.
Also Gaethje gave Khabib and Chandler major issues in the clinch and takedowns.

Would I favour Olivera? Yea the ground game of his is just insane. but honestly I’d call it 50/50 just like last nights fight.
Both guys have clear ways to win and it all comes down to who can execute better. Olivera was showing flashes of being a great striker but he was also getting pieced up a ton.
 
Yes but he has to get close.

JG has proven many times he can defend and escape TD attempts. But v Khabib he proved he’s pretty defenseless if that first line of defense fails.

Can JG keep Oliveira off him completely? That’s the $1m question. After last night, I wouldn’t bet against the champ.
 
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