Media Chael's thoughts on fighter's pay

[weaselkenievil]

Shill. Don’t listen to his lies. Helps he has a whiny voice I don’t want to listen to anyway

 

[Deleted member 110072]

“Boo hoo! They deserve more!!” Stfu with that shit. People in every industry and in every job think they should get paid more. Are you the knight in shining armor who’s there to stand up for all these people? Do you think your pathetic, little crusade to go on the internet and complain about another man’s paycheck will work? I bet those people will be thankful they have you. Fight on, SJW.

Yep whats far less pathetic is someone who has been brainwashed into blind support for a company that only cares about how much money they can get out of them due to some rather simplistic spiel eh?

Again I think you ignore the biggest issue here, its not just about "fighters deserve more" but rather than "we the consumer deserve more". The UFC's lack of investment in talent means that the product we buy is significantly worse than it could be, typical of why a near monopoly is almost always a bad thing for the consumer as well as the employee.

The idea "you get what you deserve" goes both ways, if the UFC pays peanuts its going to attract a lower standard of fighter, if it payds more, espeically if it pays more earlier then its going to attract more talent.

 

[snugglecakes]

chael isn’t wrong when he says yur free to start your own promotion and pay them the crazy money they are asking for but oh wait they all went bankrupt whenever they tried.

It’s easier for people to talk about signing the other side of the check when it’s theoretical and not their money.

you are free to get yur promoters license for 100 bucks and have 6 or 7 figures be the lowest possible athlete pay for your promotion. Now watch your company go belly up after the first event..

“but but but.. all those sports that give half the money to the athletes.. those leagues make tons of money. Paying their athletes more did not bankrupt those companies. That’s proof they can pay more and still be a profitable business.” Here is the counter argument to that. Those sports actually get ratings. Mma historically gets poor ratings and most leagues die in a fire of burnt wasted pissed away cash. If I’m a professional hopscotch player with nobody in the audience, I don’t expect the same pay as an NFL player breaking sports TV rating records. The skill ceiling of my sport or even the danger levels do not dictate my pay, ratings do.

that being said the fighter pay share could still prolly be bumped up a solid 10 percent and the ufc would prolly do fine maybe just less fake snow parties for Dana each year.

 

[avenue94]

I didn't watch this one yet but it seems the UFC pay model is largely based off of getting a cut of PPV's. You've got to sell ppv's. Chael spends a lot of time explaining how to sell PPV's.

The UFC model clearly isn't built off PPVs since only maybe 20 fighters get PPV points, and there are 600 or 700 fighters on the roster.

This is really what some people don't seem to understand, fighter pay isnt just about people "getting their due" its about advancing the sport.

For all Dana's talk about "bigger than soccer" I would argue that really his business tactic is to keep MMA "small" to keep it as something he can control and monopolise. The sport could be so much bigger and better if more of the money was being spent on talent but Dana preffers a bigger slice of a smaller pie.

It's almost like supposed fight fans would rather fighters wash out due to shit pay and waste their talents working a 9-5 instead of seeing them practice the rare craft they excel at.

If he wants to uphold the UFC as being better because he wants to champion circus/exploitation economics of 2k paychecks per fight, then sure... I'll bring up south Asian/African child sweatshops, which under his logic are better than the UFC which is better than Fortune500 companies because they bump paychecks up while still being under a dollar a day.

All I wanted was to challenge his BS logic, but I'm sure he'll just ignore it.

It's the good ol economic trope of oh my god, GDP of this shit well country quadrupled because it went from nearly nonexistent to slightly existent.

 

[Phisher]

Dude is a pathetic shill.

He has to shill because he works for ESPN, but he also clearly wants to get back in the with UFC.

 

[Phisher]

chael isn’t wrong when he says yur free to start your own promotion and pay them the crazy money they are asking for but oh wait they all went bankrupt whenever they tried.

It’s easier for people to talk about signing the other side of the check when it’s theoretical and not their money.

you are free to get yur promoters license for 100 bucks and have 7 figures be the lowest possible athlete pay for your promotion. Now watch your company go belly up after the first event

It's a clown ass argument that ignores the barriers to entry when there's already been a dominant promotion exploiting the lack of fighter protections in MMA that boxers have.

Also ignores the fact that the Fertittas were able to buy the UFC for pennies on the dollar because Lorenzo Fertitta used his influence as a member of the NSAC to block the unified rules and MMA sanctioning until after they'd bought the promotion and he'd quit the commission.

They totally fucked SEG out of any chance to run the promotion their way.

 

[avenue94]

Also ignores the fact that the Fertittas were able to buy the UFC for pennies on the dollar because Lorenzo Fertitta used his influence as a member of the NSAC to block the unified rules and MMA sanctioning until after they'd bought the promotion and he'd quit the commission.

They totally fucked SEG out of any chance to run the promotion their way.

I've heard this a few times before but never been able to track down the source, do you have one? I would totally believe it given it's the Fertitas and how much sway they have in NV

 

[Phisher]

I've heard this a few times before but never been able to track down the source, do you have one? I would totally believe it given it's the Fertitas and how much sway they have in NV

Jeff Sherwood, Greg Savage and the old guard MMA podcasters who knew inside baseball used to talk about this all the time.

There isn't definitive proof that Lorenzo was directly responsible for the unified rules not being implemented the first time that they were considered by the NSAC, but it's public record that he was on the commission when they were voted down and that the unified rules were implemented by Nevada right after he left the commission and had bought the UFC with his brother.

I seriously doubt that they would've bought the promotion if they didn't know that MMA was going to be sanctioned in Nevada.

Bob Meyrowitz has also publicly stated that he and his partners in SEG decided to sell the UFC after the NSAC shot down the unified rules because most of the money in combat sports was in Nevada.

If you connect the dots, the scam that Dana and the Fertittas ran is pretty clear.

 

[Old Women]

I can’t listen to cheal. Something about the way he talk and his mannerisms. He just comes off smug, for lack of a better term.

That’s his entire gimmick…

 

[avenue94]

Jeff Sherwood, Greg Savage and the old guard MMA podcasters who knew inside baseball used to talk about this all the time.

There isn't definitive proof that Lorenzo was directly responsible for the unified rules not being implemented the first time that they were considered by the NSAC, but it's public record that he was on the commission when they were voted down and that the unified rules were implemented by Nevada right after he left the commission and had bought the UFC with his brother.

I seriously doubt that they would've bought the promotion if they didn't know that MMA was going to be sanctioned in Nevada.

Bob Meyrowitz has also publicly stated that he and his partners in SEG decided to sell the UFC after the NSAC shot down the unified rules because most of the money in combat sports was in Nevada.

If you connect the dots, the scam that Dana and the Fertittas ran is pretty clear.

Yeah I can see it, it's sort out of like people tend to ignore that UFC pre-Zuffa actually posted pretty damn respectable PPV numbers.

 

[electricfuneral]

chael wants a UFC pension so bad

 

[Willek]

Chael and his protege Colby actually took it upon themselves to improve their situations.

 

[kalabula]

He talks as if his audience is strictly casuals who have no idea what's going on and he's teaching them. That's despite the reality of his audience being almost exclusively hardcore fans. He exaggerates everything to simplify things as much as possible.

There was a video recently in which he said there's only been 4 successful strikers in MMA history - Anderson, Maurice Smith, Holly Holm and Israel. No Cro Cop, Overeem, Wonderboy, Machida, etc.

That’s an interesting take. I think you might be spot on.

 

[kalabula]

He's a blowhard.

blow·hard
/ˈblōˌhärd/
noun
DEROGATORY•INFORMAL

1. a person who blusters and boasts in an unpleasant way.
   
   Ya. I think that’s a good word for him.
   

 

[kalabula]

Something odd that no one here ever seems to notice (or discuss, at any rate) is how weird he behaves now while doing panel discussions on broadcasts.

When he's actually speaking he moves normally, but when someone else is speaking he holds his hands very oddly. Looks like he's trying to restrain tremors or something.

Damn! That’s kind of deep. I honestly never noticed but want to look for it now.

 

[Luckyme]

He’d be singing a different tune if he didn’t have ties to UFC that benefit him monetarily. Rogan is the same way. Claims fighters should be paid more but stops short of advocating or criticizing the UFC for it.

No one wants to get on Uncle Dana’s bad side.

 

[snugglecakes]

It's a clown ass argument that ignores the barriers to entry when there's already been a dominant promotion exploiting the lack of fighter protections in MMA that boxers have.

Also ignores the fact that the Fertittas were able to buy the UFC for pennies on the dollar because Lorenzo Fertitta used his influence as a member of the NSAC to block the unified rules and MMA sanctioning until after they'd bought the promotion and he'd quit the commission.

They totally fucked SEG out of any chance to run the promotion their way.

And you have no argument. What is the relevance to The history behind the ruthless way they got to where they are?

Why is everybody complaining about what he ufc does? Where are the lawsuits against PFL n bellator etc for having the same shittt pay range?

Go get your promoters license n do something differently then by having a pay scale starting at 6 figures and up to both opening prelim fighters…but don’t act surprised when the next thing you know you are filing for bankruptcy.

N what about the problems that come along with doing things the boxing way… which is everybody wud duck and dodge each other for years and instead just pad their record with can crush matches. If mma pay worked like boxing then you would be able to count on 1 hand how many fights per year would be worth watching… unless you are a let’s bleed can smash fiend.

 

[CerebralKnievel]

Damn! That’s kind of deep. I honestly never noticed but want to look for it now.

I'm not trying to mock him. I have no idea what it is, but it's very weird. Notice how he postures when he isn't speaking. Super weird looking.

 

[avenue94]

If mma pay worked like boxing then you would be able to count on 1 hand how many fights per year would be worth watching… unless you are a let’s bleed can smash fiend.

How come guys like the 4 Kings or Ali were still able to go war and put on amazing fights when they were making more money than Conor? Sounds like higher fighter pay isn't the problem in boxing.

Why is everybody complaining about what he ufc does? Where are the lawsuits against PFL n bellator etc for having the same shittt pay range?

Why is everyone complaining about the biggest promotion with the largest ability to pay its fighters more? Why are the lawsuits targeting the biggest promotion that has the most ability to pay damages and who has the largest stable of elite fighters globally?

 

[Haj01]

The thing is guys who draw viewers do make the big money.