International Catalonia's Rebellion: 170,000 Spaniards in Madrid March Against Amnesty Plan for Catalan Secessionists

[Idonotbelieveit]

Pointless

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

Both Spain

Same lingo people no need for independence

 

[Arkain2K]

you mean it's location, that it's in the north? not sure what you meant by this.

The Basque Country had already made peace long ago with Madrid. Their leaders are now part of Spain's current governing coalition, actually.

Aside from a few words of support from a handful of MPs from Scotland, the pro-independence faction in Catalonia is truly alone in their futile rebellion. Hell, they don't even have the support from most Catalans, much less other regions/countries.

 

[RockstarChris]

If the majority of the people in a country want to no longer be part of that country, who are we to tell them no? The people own the country.

But this is Europe, where they still worship kings and queens and yet they tell America that we have a problem. Still salty from that ass kicking we give them every few decades or so.

 

[Quinton Overeem]

Thanks Obama

Thanks Putin.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

The Catalan government released the figures themselves, all new sources are reporting the same thing. 43% of the eligible people voted and the results of those votes were 9-1 in favor of leaving. 58% of voters stayed at home and didn't even recognize the referendum, presumably because it wasn't official.

If they truly want to be democratic, they need to hold an official independence referendum like the UK did with Scotland. According to wikipedia figures they have 5,313,564 voters, and 2,044,038 voted to leave. Having 2 million dictate the path for 5 million isn't democracy, it's populism.

Compare that to how many of those people ever voted to be part of Spain in the first place.

 

[Orgasmo]

Americans remember this event. This is when an autonomous region exercised self-determination via the democratic process with an overwhelming majority, and in response, Spain is seizing control of the region, removing their government officials, and also discussing the takeover of their banks, police AND media (which they blame for the uprising).

And all with E.U. support

Interesting how you choose to interpret it.

- The vote was deemed illegal by the highest court in Spain. Spanish national police was enforcing a legal court order to shut down the referendum. It may not have been a smart choice by the Spanish government, but it was a legal move.

- Only 43% of eligible voters in Catalonia participated. Out of the minority that voted, 90% approved of independence. That is if we believe the separatists' own words, since no international observers were present. In essence, about 1/3 of voters are holding the other 2/3 hostage.

I see no issue with EU not supporting the result.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Not good enough! Let the hatred burn inside you and then release the anger in your words. You have much to learn before you ascend as a Sith Lord my young apprentice..


Btw - just fukkin around cause u said separatists...

Fucking Droid army.

We dont serve their kind

 

[ShinkanPo]

datalan ceclares

May I know why you this? Hahaha don't get me wrong I always get a kick out of it.


Funniest for me is about Emanuel Macron winning the elections in French.

You said Wacron Mon!

Lol...

What is the back story to this inverted thing?

 

[Prutfis]

Looks like it's time for.. the Spanish Inquisition..

 

[Teppodama]

Both Spain

Same lingo people no need for independence

Catalina has their own language.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Interesting how you choose to interpret it.

- The vote was deemed illegal by the highest court in Spain. Spanish national police was enforcing a legal court order to shut down the referendum. It may not have been a smart choice by the Spanish government, but it was a legal move.

- Only 43% of eligible voters in Catalonia participated. Out of the minority that voted, 90% approved of independence. That is if we believe the separatists' own words, since no international observers were present. In essence, about 1/3 of voters are holding the other 2/3 hostage.

I see no issue with EU not supporting the result.

If it's good enough for America...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_Admission_Act

Out of a total population of 600,000 in the islands and 155,000 registered voters, 140,000 votes were cast, the highest turnout ever in Hawaii. The vote showed approval rates of at least 93% by voters on all major islands (see adjacent figure for details). Of the approximately 140,000 votes cast, fewer than 8,000 rejected the Admission Act of 1959.

Looks like approximately 130k out of 600k (i.e. 22%) sentenced the rest of the state to being held prisoner for life by the USA.

 

[Cuzcatlan]

I was wondering about this. During the vote I saw videos of local police and firemen standing up too the Guardia.

 

[Arkain2K]

Scottish Government ‘respects’ Catalan independence decision
Russell Jackson | Friday 27 October 2017​

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While the UK Government said it will not recognise the declaration of independence, Scotland’s External Affairs Secretary Fiona Hyslop said the people of Catalonia “must have the ability to determine their own future”.

Ms Hyslop said Spain has the right to oppose independence but that Friday’s vote “came about only after repeated calls for dialogue were refused”.

Shortly after the Catalan vote, the Spanish Senate in Madrid authorised the central government to take control of the region through unprecedented constitutional measures.

Both sides have been clashing since a disputed referendum on independence at the start of October.

Ms Hyslop said: “We understand and respect the position of the Catalan Government. While Spain has the right to oppose independence, the people of Catalonia must have the ability to determine their own future.

“Today’s Declaration of Independence came about only after repeated calls for dialogue were refused.

“Now, more than ever, the priority of all those who consider themselves friends and allies of Spain should be to encourage a process of dialogue to find a way forward that respects democracy and the rule of law.

“The imposition of direct rule cannot be the solution and should be of concern to democrats everywhere.

“The European Union has a political and moral responsibility to support dialogue to identify how the situation can be resolved peacefully and democratically.”

Prime Minister Theresa May’s official spokesman said the declaration was based on a vote which had been declared illegal and that the UK wanted to see the unity of Spain preserved.

‘’The UK does not and will not recognise the unilateral declaration of independence made by the Catalan regional parliament,’’ the spokesman said in a statement.

‘’It is based on a vote that was declared illegal by the Spanish courts. We continue to want to see the rule of law upheld, the Spanish constitution respected, and Spanish unity preserved.’’

Prime Minister Theresa May’s official spokesman said the declaration was based on a vote which had been declared illegal and that the UK wanted to see the unity of Spain preserved.

“The UK does not and will not recognise the unilateral declaration of independence made by the Catalan regional parliament,” the spokesman said in a statement

“It is based on a vote that was declared illegal by the Spanish courts. We continue to want to see the rule of law upheld, the Spanish constitution respected, and Spanish unity preserved.”

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-government-respects-catalan-independence-decision-1-4598606

 

[fijuviju]

Thanks Putin.

Thanks George W Bush.

 

[Rematch]

People in New Jersey feel the same way about some southern states from time to time...

New Jersey? Seriously?

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

Spain supported Kosovo being taken from Serbia, not sure why they have a problem with Catalonia leaving. The precedent has been set.

 

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