News Canelo vs Crawford September 13th NETFLIX

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Zyklon R said:
I already know how tough and durable Canelo is but I still say Crawford stops him there's not a man on this earth that can't be knocked out and Crawford is going to be the one to do it and Canelo will more than likely retire after this fight I'm not hating on Canelo don't get me wrong I like the guy and he's a helluva fighter
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I'll sigbet you or account bet you that Crawford won't stop Canelo.
 
Zyklon R said:
I already know how tough and durable Canelo is but I still say Crawford stops him there's not a man on this earth that can't be knocked out and Crawford is going to be the one to do it and Canelo will more than likely retire after this fight I'm not hating on Canelo don't get me wrong I like the guy and he's a helluva fighter
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OK Floyd

thats fine to think that, but i wholeheartedly disagree. only way the fights stopped is if Canelo gets a bad cut
 
Mujeriego said:
Nothing would indicate that Crawford is going to KO Canelo, besides hope.
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besides Jose Cotto back when Canelo was like 20 years old, i havent even seen Canelo bothered or wobbled by any punches.
Golovkin and Bivol both backed him up, but neither REALLY hurt him.
 
FlowchartRog said:
I thought he looked somewhat shot even before Crawford yes. It's why I changed my pick to Crawford, whereas in years prior I thought Spence would be a bit too big and young and aggressive.

Sometimes it takes a certain fight for someone to look shot. He didn't just look out of his depth or outskilled, he looked completely done - slow, sloppy, with no punch resistance. It's going to be no surprise at all if he never fights again, and if he does, he'll no doubt look done.
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i get annoyed beyond reason when there is a highly anticipated fight, the betting lines are close and there is no general consensus on who will win, but then one guy dominates and suddenly the other wasn't any good at all. it unfairly diminishes the accomplishment.

and i predicted spence would take it, and did for years. i'm no crawford fanboy.

FlowchartRog said:
And no, Crawford is nothing like Floyd, he's no closer to Floyd than he is to Golovkin. Floyd is slippery and unpredictable, has a great jab, and excellent movement. Floyd also has very good, underrated infighting and of course the main thing, extremely hard to hit clean.
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the comparison was that crawford is a fast, rangy technician who relies on precise and explosive shots, more so than on thudding power like golovkin. i'm not saying bud fights like floyd, i'm saying his offense will give canelo the same kind of issues. the ginger handles sluggers far better than he does people who are technically superior to him, which i think crawford is.

and i think bud's jab is pretty great, when he wants to use it. i expect he will here.

FlowchartRog said:
Also about Madrimov, so what if he jerked around the ring all night? He did the same thing with Ortiz, and despite a slow start, Ortiz beat the absolute shit out of him, landed almost twice as many shots as Crawford did. And ultimately looked like more of a force at 154.
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what do you mean so what if he moved so much? do you expect canelo to fight crawford the way madrimov did? it didn't feel to me like it was madrimov's size that gave bud trouble, but his constant movement... which isn't something that canelo does, so i don't expect bud to have trouble finding him.

if we were talking about a 2017 canelo, i'd probably pick him over any version of crawford. but i think he's long removed from that, bud hasn't shown any such decline as far as i can see.
 
randomg1t said:
i get annoyed beyond reason when there is a highly anticipated fight, the betting lines are close and there is no general consensus on who will win, but then one guy dominates and suddenly the other wasn't any good at all. it unfairly diminishes the accomplishment.

and i predicted spence would take it, and did for years. i'm no crawford fanboy.


the comparison was that crawford is a fast, rangy technician who relies on precise and explosive shots, more so than on thudding power like golovkin. i'm not saying bud fights like floyd, i'm saying his offense will give canelo the same kind of issues. the ginger handles sluggers far better than he does people who are technically superior to him, which i think crawford is.

and i think bud's jab is pretty great, when he wants to use it. i expect he will here.


what do you mean so what if he moved so much? do you expect canelo to fight crawford the way madrimov did? it didn't feel to me like it was madrimov's size that gave bud trouble, but his constant movement... which isn't something that canelo does, so i don't expect bud to have trouble finding him.

if we were talking about a 2017 canelo, i'd probably pick him over any version of crawford. but i think he's long removed from that, bud hasn't shown any such decline as far as i can see.
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Yes, I'm not usually one of those types either. IE if someone is beaten easily he's a bum. But like I said, I changed my prediction as it became clear Crawford was the much fresher fighter despite being older. And I don't think it's unreasonable to say Spence looked absolutely fucking terrible in the fight. Both things can be true, Crawford looking great and Spence looking bad. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Let me put it like this, would you really be shocked if Spence never fought again, or perhaps did and looked absolutely shot?

Is anyone really expecting him to come back and be an elite fighter?

Regarding the Madrimov fight, my point was pretty clear - that Crawford looked underwhelming, human, and beatable. It was a close fight.

It's not about whether Canelo fights like him, I know he doesn't, and everyone knows he's not a mover, he's a low output, stalker/puncher. That's obvious.

My point was simple - awkward style or not, the Madrimov fight made him look very much human and beatable at 154. If Crawford was quite as good and technical as you think he is, he would have adapted and found a way to beat Madrimov clearly. Ortiz did, so it's not like Madrimov gives everyone fits. He's not that good, he just has an annoying, pesky style.

If you think size had nothing to do with it, you should watch it again. Crawford's power clearly didn't have the same impact at 154, didn't really get his respect as much as Ortiz's did, or come close to stopping him. Also, Madrimov was stronger and more powerful than Crawford was used to. He couldn't manhandle Madrimov in the clinch, and it looked like Madrimov hit hard enough to make Crawford more cautious than Ortiz was.

And that was at 154 against a guy nowhere near as big or good or powerful as Canelo.

The one thing we can agree on, is despite being younger, Canelo is clearly more shopworn than Crawford. Crawford still looks fresh for sure. Physically he looks older, but fight wise, yeah he still looks absolutely prime.

As such would I be shocked if Crawford won? Nah, but he's obviously not stopping Canelo.

I know Crawford is good, top 5 P4P good, I just don't think he's as good as the Spence fight made him look. He's probably better than the Madrimov fight made him look, but if anything I think that fight is a better indicator of Crawford's abilities at 154+.
 
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Kovalev's Man Bag said:
The fact that anyone is even discussing the possibility of Bud stopping Canelo is mindblowing to me. The only fighter around his weight that could potentially stop Canelo would be Beterbiev but he's a natural light heavyweight.
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Exactly, mindblowing is the operative word. Even if Crawford wins it's going to be a competitive decision. Canelo has a chin like an anvil, even Golovkin and Bivol couldn't put a dent in him. Yet former 135 pound Crawford is going to KO him? <lmao>
 
FlowchartRog said:
Yes, I'm not usually one of those types either. IE if someone is beaten easily he's a bum. But like I said, I changed my prediction as it became clear Crawford was the much fresher fighter despite being older. And I don't think it's unreasonable to say Spence looked absolutely fucking terrible in the fight. Both things can be true, Crawford looking great and Spence looking bad. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Let me put it like this, would you really be shocked if Spence never fought again, or perhaps did and looked absolutely shot?

Is anyone really expecting him to come back and be an elite fighter?

Regarding the Madrimov fight, my point was pretty clear - that Crawford looked underwhelming, human, and beatable. It was a close fight.

It's not about whether Canelo fights like him, I know he doesn't, and everyone knows he's not a mover, he's a low output, stalker/puncher. That's obvious.

My point was simple - awkward style or not, the Madrimov fight made him look very much human and beatable at 154. If Crawford was quite as good and technical as you think he is, he would have adapted and found a way to beat Madrimov clearly. Ortiz did, so it's not like Madrimov gives everyone fits. He's not that good, he just has an annoying, pesky style.

If you think size had nothing to do with it, you should watch it again. Crawford's power clearly didn't have the same impact at 154, didn't really get his respect as much as Ortiz's did, or come close to stopping him. Also, Madrimov was stronger and more powerful than Crawford was used to. He couldn't manhandle Madrimov in the clinch, and it looked like Madrimov hit hard enough to make Crawford more cautious than Ortiz was.

And that was at 154 against a guy nowhere near as big or good or powerful as Canelo.

The one thing we can agree on, is despite being younger, Canelo is clearly more shopworn than Crawford. Crawford still looks fresh for sure. Physically he looks older, but fight wise, yeah he still looks absolutely prime.

As such would I be shocked if Crawford won? Nah, but he's obviously not stopping Canelo.

I know Crawford is good, top 5 P4P good, I just don't think he's as good as the Spence fight made him look. He's probably better than the Madrimov fight made him look, but if anything I think that fight is a better indicator of Crawford's abilities at 154+.
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lol
Crawford spars with people much bigger than him nobody bullies Crawford you'll see I can't wait
 
FlowchartRog said:
Exactly, mindblowing is the operative word. Even if Crawford wins it's going to be a competitive decision. Canelo has a chin like an anvil, even Golovkin and Bivol couldn't put a dent in him. Yet former 135 pound Crawford is going to KO him? <lmao>
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Keep doubting don't make a difference
 
Zyklon R said:
lol
Crawford spars with people much bigger than him nobody bullies Crawford you'll see I can't wait
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So what? Sparring is sparring. Spaddy got the better of Floyd sparring, means nothing.

I've seen Donaire spar middleweights and do very well, it didn't stop him getting flattened by the comparatively tiny Inoue.
 
Zyklon R said:
lol
Crawford spars with people much bigger than him nobody bullies Crawford you'll see I can't wait
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According to trainer & BoxingScene writer Stephen "Breadman" Edwards Canelo regularly spars heavyweights and holds his own. A few years back Canelo was even talking about moving up to cruiserweight to win another divisional title. Sparring is just sparring, though. It isn't a sanctioned fight it's practice.

Edit. Here he is sparring Frank Sanchez.
 
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FlowchartRog said:
So what? Sparring is sparring. Spaddy got the better of Floyd sparring, means nothing.

I've seen Donaire spar middleweights and do very well, it didn't stop him getting flattened by the comparatively tiny Inoue.
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The point I'm trying to make is that Crawford is stronger than people realize and you mentioned something about Crawford moving up from 135 or something guess what Canelo also started at a much lower weight class than he's at now and he's not going to be able to just bully Crawford around the ring
 
Zyklon R said:
The point I'm trying to make is that Crawford is stronger than people realize and you mentioned something about Crawford moving up from 135 or something guess what Canelo also started at a much lower weight class than he's at now and he's not going to be able to just bully Crawford around the ring
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Canelo was 15 when he started at 140lbs.
At 16 was already at 147. And by 20 154lbs.

Thats different than fighting at 147 at 30 years old until 35 like Crawford.
And if Crawfords that big, than hes either a weight bully fighting little guys or Canelos just that good to go up so high in weight.
Either way, doesnt make Crawford look good.
 
Kovalev's Man Bag said:
The fact that anyone is even discussing the possibility of Bud stopping Canelo is mindblowing to me. The only fighter around his weight that could potentially stop Canelo would be Beterbiev but he's a natural light heavyweight.
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Right? That's why I'm saying that Crawford has almost achieved sanctification following that one win over Spence.

Let's not forget he had a very tough fight with Porter prior to the KO and didn't look untouchable vs. Madrimov.

I know these are completely different fighters from Canelo but they are also not in his league--possibly even now.

I personally think that Crawford has the strongest mental game in boxing, alongside Inoue, Usyk and Bivol and I think he will win more rounds in the eyes of the public. Whether or not this will win him on the judges scorecards (I don't think it will), is going to be the interesting question.
 
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