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Canadians, what are your thoughts on M-103?

Couldn't agree more, I'm so ashamed of myself for voting Liberal.



The good news is that Trudeau has not really done too much. He has run the debt to ridiculous amounts, but for the most part he just takes selfies, travels around the world, makes empty promises and virtue signals. Trudeau's run as PM has mainly been a vacation for him and his wife on tax payer expense.
 
I notice you never responded to the questions I posed to you in my other post. What do you think about what Trudeau said in that quote I included in the OP? You know, the "fire in a crowded theatre" bit. And in your opinion, do you think that Muslim advocacy/lobbying groups will be satisfied with an official condemnation by Parliament and an anti-Islamophobia advertising campaign? Or do you think they might want to take it a bit further?


Trudeau is a dumbass. He probably doesn't have any understanding of what this motion means, and why what he said doesn't make sense. Nice hair though.

As far as Muslim advocacy groups are concerned I'm quite sure they'll want to continue pushing further agendas, and which could cross a line that I find unacceptable at some point. However, that doesn't concern me at the moment. I'm focusing on this one motion, right here and right now. I don't entertain slippery slope arguments.
 
This is also the type of shit why everyone I know that voted Liberal is saying they are not voting for them next election. I was super close to voting for them to because they actually talked about changing a lot things that I agreed with but since the election they have really gone nowhere with any of them those fucks.

Exactly. Trudeau is a hack fraud and hasn't done anything he said he would. That pencil necked cucked pretty boy substitute teacher try hard. He's ruining this country. Wish Trump was our PM.

We should trade Trump for Trudeau via NATO.
 
Well let's deal with those problems when they arise then is my opinion. If and when the government starts overstepping and trampling on individual rights that should be opposed. But for now we're not there yet, and it's disingenuous to jump way ahead ourselves to act like that's what M-103 does.

I think we're already dealing with these problems (my comment about the comedians). This to me is not an issue of Islamophobia even though the reason this motion got brought up again is as clear as day. This is about free speech. If comedians are already getting fined for telling jokes, not uttering death threats or inciting violence just telling jokes, don't you think we should take a closer look at our hate speech laws? I don't think we'll ever live under sharia but freedom of speech is under threat and will further be weakened if citizens remain complacent about what the government is doing.
 
Trudeau is a dumbass. He probably doesn't have any understanding of what this motion means, and why what he said doesn't make sense. Nice hair though.

As far as Muslim advocacy groups are concerned I'm quite sure they'll want to continue pushing further agendas, and which could cross a line that I find unacceptable at some point. However, that doesn't concern me at the moment. I'm focusing on this one motion, right here and right now. I don't entertain slippery slope arguments.

So the PM of the country and the leader of the political party that tabled this motion (which has a majority) talks about how we need to limit free speech, and it's something we shouldn't worry about because he's a dumbass. Fair enough, I asked other Canadians for their input and I appreciate yours. I disagree though, I do feel that this is a big deal and I don't think that Canadians should ignore it.
 
Exactly. Trudeau is a hack fraud and hasn't done anything he said he would. That pencil necked cucked pretty boy substitute teacher try hard. He's ruining this country. Wish Trump was our PM.

We should trade Trump for Trudeau via NATO.

Only reason I didnt vote for them is I had a really bad feeling about Trudeau and watching him speak he just seemed really off I dont know how to explain it.
 
perhaps not participating in suspect activities and promoting rape/subjugation of women cultures would go much farther at combating 'islamophobia' that any quelling of free speech will....

if I wear a speedo to the beach, should I really get offended if people comment on it? or did I purposely bring that attention on myself? It's the same principle
 
perhaps not participating in suspect activities and promoting rape/subjugation of women cultures would go much farther at combating 'islamophobia' that any quelling of free speech will....

if I wear a speedo to the beach, should I really get offended if people comment on it? or did I purposely bring that attention on myself? It's the same principle

What bothers me the most about progressives and the Canadian liberal party is that they falsely believe people are suspicious of Muslims for absolutely no reason at all. They pretend Islam is a perfect peace promoting religion and act as though Islamic terrorism is not wreaking havoc throughout the world. It must get tiring spewing the "Not All Muslims" virtue signalling excuse every time there is an Islamic terrorist attack.
 
This is an excellent comment featured in the comment section of a Huffington Post Canada article:

Judith Sept
The content of the proposal is okay without the word Islamophobia. No need for Iqra Khalid to insist on making her religious order special. Is it her intention she sets herself and whoever is Muslim separate from the rest of Canadians. Example: "I am more special then you ........therefor I need special laws." That appears to be the tone. Hate speech is hate speech. No matter what colour, creed or culture it is not appropriate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/02/16/iqra-khalid-threats-islamophobia_n_14803770.html#comments
 
So the PM of the country and the leader of the political party that tabled this motion (which has a majority) talks about how we need to limit free speech, and it's something we shouldn't worry about because he's a dumbass. Fair enough, I asked other Canadians for their input and I appreciate yours. I disagree though, I do feel that this is a big deal and I don't think that Canadians should ignore it.

Well I'll just conclude with this: I am a lawyer, and I have faith in the Canadian judiciary. It's been 25 years since the Zundel case, and I am confident that the judiciary will do the right thing when tasked with balancing "hate speech" laws and individual Charter rights.
 
only read the headline, but they are a dangerous gang from El Salvatore so I oppose them.
 
The question you should be asking is why is this happening in multiple ultra racist countries?
 
oh canada
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FINALLY Canadians are showing their true colors
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/anti-muslim-protest-masjid-toronto-1.3988906
 
Here's another piece on this from the Sun again, written by Tarek Fatah. For those of you who have never heard of this guy, look him up. He's a moderate, secular (atheist?) Muslim who absolutely despises Islamists and speaks out against their schemes and machinations in Canada. Not surprisingly, he is either ignored or villified by the left-wing media up here.

As for the motion to be debated in Parliament I wrote to Khalid asking her to define “Islamophobia”, since her motion does not.

Would Muslims who denounce sharia law as barbaric fall into that definition, I asked?

I asked if she believed “declaring the Islamic doctrine of armed jihad as an out-dated concept that needs to be renounced” was Islamophobic?

She has not responded to my questions as of this writing.

Moderate and secular Muslims today are similar to the Christian followers of Martin Luther in 1517, whom the Catholic clergy condemned and later excommunicated.

Despite the fact Islam is without an equivalent to papal authority, Islamic clerical authority in the West works through transnational networks such as the Muslim Brotherhood and Jamaat-e-Islami, whose cadres operate cells in schools, universities and NGOs to help infiltrate the system.

Just as in the Europe of the 1400s, any threat to Islam’s unofficial papacy is met swiftly by threats of death and fatwas.

If systemic racism was an issue for Khalid and other MPs, I asked her why she did not, to my knowledge, react when it was reported by cijnews.com that an Islamic cleric in Montreal, uttered the following words to a congregation:

“O Allah, give victory to our brothers who engage in Jihad

O Allah, give them victory over their enemy

O Allah, destroy the accursed Jews

O Allah, make their children orphans and their women widows.”

If this prayer was in fact spoken to a congregation, then perhaps MP Khalid will have the courage to amend her motion and include a denunciation of this prayer, variations of which are read at most mosques every Friday.

Will she label such hateful statements as an example of systemic racism that is anti-Semitic, anti-Christian, anti-Hindu and anti-atheist?

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/02/14/islamophobia-motion-will-target-moderate-muslims
 
And another one by a different author, pointing out the blatant bias and hypocrisy coming from the left-wing media. Their rhetoric in regards to M-103 is the complete opposite of what they they were saying about M-312 back in 2012.

f you really want to burst the media narrative on Canada’s so-called anti-Islamophobia motion, take a look at how they covered a little something called M-312 in the last government.

Back in 2012, the House of Commons voted on a motion by Conservative MP Stephen Woodworth that called for the formation of a special committee to revisit a section of the Criminal Code that states a child becomes a human being only at the moment of complete birth.

It lost by a 2-1 margin but not before substantial media controversy. This was, we were told, the beginning of a plot to ban abortion in Canada.

Now, at face value, this was not true. The motion did not once mention abortion. Nor did it propose any changes to any laws or federal policies, aside from calling on the committee to recommend potential revisions to that section of the Code. These recommendations could then be ignored and, as happens all the time, the report left to collect dust.

Yet it’s not like these caveats caused critics, or the press, to play down their coverage. They went full steam ahead, drumming up fear from coast to coast. And they were well within their right to do just that.

After all, Woodworth was a vocal social conservative at a time when his like-minded MPs in caucus were frustrated to discover that, even though their government had reached the promised land of majority status, Stephen Harper would not be advancing any socially conservative legislation.

Canadians have a right to know the potential long-term ramifications of even the smallest of gestures coming from their parliamentarians. This is what the media did with M-312. Yet they’re doing the exact opposite when it comes to M-103.

Sure, I’ve heard from some people who I’d say are overreacting. I don’t think this is Justin Trudeau’s first move in a plot to turn Canada into a de facto caliphate nor do I think it’s right that Iqra Khalid, the Liberal MP behind the motion, is receiving abusive messages just as Woodworth did five years ago.

But these don’t excuse why mainstream voices have so sorely dropped the ball. Why didn’t Khalid respond to media requests from the Toronto Star, CBC and yours truly to further discuss the motion? Why is she refusing suggestions from the likes of Conservative leadership candidate Erin O’Toole to find common ground? Why did she reportedly tell other MPs she’d have to check with the PMO before altering her supposedly independent motion?

Plug “Islamophobia” into Google and here’s what comes up: “dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.” Its online dictionary uses the Oxford system as its backend, which is the most authoritative set of dictionaries in the English language.

I’d wager many millions of Canadians from all walks of life have a dislike of Islam as a political force. As they damn well should. Is this what the motion seeks to denounce and study with a critical eye?

Hopefully not. But, right now, we just don’t know. Too bad my colleagues in the media have made it even harder to find out.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/02/1...acle-is-a-prime-example-of-liberal-media-bias

I've seen that Islamophobia definition being bandied about lately, the "especially as a political force" one. And like the author of this says, any Canadian or any person who stands for Western values damn well should have a dislike of Islam as a political force. Why shouldn't they? Just because Islamist groups are so intertwined with the Liberal party?
 
So CBC has moved from subtly trying to influence opinion to openly touting the Liberal party agenda. I have to say, I find the whole situation with CBC to be extremely disturbing. Trudeau promises on the campaign trail to increase their budget, so they star blatantly campaigning for him. Once he got in he gave them like 650 million dollars and now CBC works as essentially an organ of the Liberal party. The funniest part is that it was advertised as coming with "strings attached"....CBC had to produce a 5 year accountability plan to show that they can become more viable and self-sufficient. Wtf would the Liberal party know about being self-sufficent? I think whoever wins the Conservative leadership position should make defunding the corrupt CBC a part of their platform. Anyway here's the bullshit:

Anti-Islamophobia motion offers a chance to take a stand against hatred. Why quibble over semantics?
Islamophobia is absolutely deserving of special mention

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/m103-stand-against-hatred-1.3988771


The Toronto "Red" Star also published a pro-Sharia propaganda piece as well, no surprise:

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/com...rs-to-consider-about-sharia-law-and-m103.html

Check out the comment section of the CBC article, hell check out the comment section for any M-103 article on any site that has one, and you'll see something that is actually giving me hope. The vast majority of comments are against this motion and against the Islamist agenda in general. And it's not all "derp muzzies are all terrorists" kind of crap either but informed opinions of people who have seen and heard enough bullshit. Up until very recently you wouldn't see stuff like on Canadian news sites. I remember that before, in any article about anything to do with Islam if somebody said anything negative about the religion of peace they would get wolf packed by a swarm of Canadian "liberals". Go back to any article dealing with the niqab controversy back in 2014 for example. So this is good to see. The silent majority is clearing its throat.
 
It is a motion that doesn't just create uneasiness/fear in traditional "westerners." Listen to what even Muslims say about the motion:

 
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