Canadian Media Bias: "Islamaphobic" woman wanted for questioning

[Grenz]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...res-hate-motivated-mischief-mosques-1.4592993

TLDR: A woman was reported to have left behind torn out pages of the Koran on windshields at two mosques and making 'Islamaphobic' statements.

In the article, there are numerous references to the Islamaphobic nature of her statements. But the actual statements she was making? Not described even in the broadest of terms. I guess we're just supposed to accept she was making wrong statements? Hmm...let's scroll towards the very end of the article:

On the Facebook page of Never Again Canada, an organization that says it is dedicated to fighting antisemitism in Canada, the woman is identified as Sandra Solomon.

Never Again Canada expressed support for Solomon on Facebook on Sunday.

"Sandra Solomon has been portrayed in the news as a hate monger. Sandra was of victim of rape and other horrible things while living under Shariah law. Sandra Solomon is a survivor and she lives to tell her story. Never Again Canada gives a voice to the voiceless," the post reads.

Sounds like a women who was forced to live under a patriarchal system and suffered greatly as a result. Normally that would make her a victim, but she decided to speak out against Islam, so now she's a racist. I wonder which verses exactly were on the ripped out pages of the Koran she was handing out? Maybe the ones outlining in detail the particularly progressive ideas on how men and women should co-exist as per a 1,400 year old fantasy novel.

 

[Treeloy]

Everyone in canada is turning crazy. I went to bestbuy a few months ago and saw my first tranny. He/She tried to help me find a laptop but I was scared and left. Now Im working with an elf person.

This is going to get worse

 

[Grenz]

I googled her and she has a website where she's posted a few articles. One of them might shed some light on exactly what she was saying:

At a Toronto mosque, an imam recently prayed that Allah would kill unbelievers “and spare not one of them,” and “purify Al-Aqsa Mosque from the filth of the Jews.”

An ex-Muslim named Sandra Solomon showed up at that mosque Saturday with some requests of her own:

I am standing here in your mosque today, asking for you to show me the tolerance you ask of all Canadians. To accept me for whom I am and the free choices I made to be something other than Muslim.

I have concern about my life and I would love to get an answer from you Muslims to tell me: Am I going to be killed, or my child is going to be killed or harmed by anyway for me openly criticizing Islam?

It was a fair question, and a poignant one coming at a time when the Canadian Parliament is considering a motion condemning an undefined “Islamophobia.” While Canada mulls officially designating Muslims as a victim class, Sandra Solomon is worried about being victimized by those supposed victims.

CIJ News reported:

“[A] member of the mosque congregation said to Sandra that she is free to choose her faith emphasizing that her problem is not with Islam but with the Saudi regime.”

Seems like a fair question. How do I fit into your world view where unbelievers should be killed? Seems like something a person could reasonably inquire into, if not least simply for planning purposes. The last sentence confirms the extreme cognitive dissonance we're seeing today: Islam isn't the problem, it's Saudi Arabia. So what Saudi Arabia practices and exports all over the globe isn't Islam?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Poor Muslims.

 

[SRN]

Oh she's an ex muslim? Muslims are going to fucking destroy her life and make her look like a monster and the media will buy it! I'm actually worried for her.

 

[EndlessCritic]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...res-hate-motivated-mischief-mosques-1.4592993

TLDR: A woman was reported to have left behind torn out pages of the Koran on windshields at two mosques and making 'Islamaphobic' statements.

In the article, there are numerous references to the Islamaphobic nature of her statements. But the actual statements she was making? Not described even in the broadest of terms. I guess we're just supposed to accept she was making wrong statements? Hmm...let's scroll towards the very end of the article:





Sounds like a women who was forced to live under a patriarchal system and suffered greatly as a result. Normally that would make her a victim, but she decided to speak out against Islam, so now she's a racist. I wonder which verses exactly were on the ripped out pages of the Koran she was handing out? Maybe the ones outlining in detail the particularly progressive ideas on how men and women should co-exist as per a 1,400 year old fantasy novel.

http://voiceofsandrasolomon.com/about-sandra/

She seems like a nutjob.

That same night I was inexplicably compelled in my spirit to actually read the Bible and this persisted over the next several nights. I hesitated numerous times before final surrendering to the call within my heart and purchasing myself a Bible. Once alone I opened this strange book and commenced to read it voraciously over the following three weeks. Once I had finished reading this wondrous book it became absolutely apparent to me that the Holy Bible is in fact the true word of God almighty and that everything Islam had preached in contradiction of Christianity was outright falsehoods. The Holy Bible is not corrupted and deceitful as we had been indoctrinated by our Islamic teachers to believe. I discovered that it most certainly wasn’t the Christians who were the liars but rather Islam that twisted the truth intentionally to discredit the one true God of the Bible. I feel deeply in love with the one true God who had crafted our magnificent universe and every creature in it. A miracle had occurred in my life and I feel to my knees in fervent supplication thanking my dear God for hearing and answering my hearts pleas and answering my prayers. At long last I had found the way, the truth and the life via my precious Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Bald1]

M103 opened the doors for a special protected class. Simple as that.

 

[method115]

http://voiceofsandrasolomon.com/about-sandra/

She seems like a nutjob.

If this is your definition of a nut job than anyone who believes in an religion would fit into that category

 

[Andy Capp]

Everyone in canada is turning crazy. I went to bestbuy a few months ago and saw my first tranny. He/She tried to help me find a laptop but I was scared and left. Now Im working with an elf person.

This is going to get worse

LOL could you be any more of an ignorant pussy?

 

[Andy Capp]

I googled her and she has a website where she's posted a few articles. One of them might shed some light on exactly what she was saying:



Seems like a fair question. How do I fit into your world view where unbelievers should be killed? Seems like something a person could reasonably inquire into, if not least simply for planning purposes. The last sentence confirms the extreme cognitive dissonance we're seeing today: Islam isn't the problem, it's Saudi Arabia. So what Saudi Arabia practices and exports all over the globe isn't Islam?

This seems like a perfectly reasonable response to me, "[A] member of the mosque congregation said to Sandra that she is free to choose her faith emphasizing that her problem is not with Islam but with the Saudi regime.”" I don't see the point of this thread.

 

[snakedafunky]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...res-hate-motivated-mischief-mosques-1.4592993

TLDR: A woman was reported to have left behind torn out pages of the Koran on windshields at two mosques and making 'Islamaphobic' statements.

In the article, there are numerous references to the Islamaphobic nature of her statements. But the actual statements she was making? Not described even in the broadest of terms. I guess we're just supposed to accept she was making wrong statements? Hmm...let's scroll towards the very end of the article:





Sounds like a women who was forced to live under a patriarchal system and suffered greatly as a result. Normally that would make her a victim, but she decided to speak out against Islam, so now she's a racist. I wonder which verses exactly were on the ripped out pages of the Koran she was handing out? Maybe the ones outlining in detail the particularly progressive ideas on how men and women should co-exist as per a 1,400 year old fantasy novel.

I am no expert on Candian law. But you don't think such an incident might warrant the police to look into it?
Not saying what she did was wrong or anything. But if that kind of person ends up actually harming someone.
You would probably ask why the police didn't look into her given the signs.

 

[Grenz]

I am no expert on Candian law. But you don't think such an incident might warrant the police to look into it?
Not saying what she did was wrong or anything. But if that kind of person ends up actually harming someone.
You would probably ask why the police didn't look into her given the signs.

That depends (although this wasn't the point I was trying to make). For example, when I lived in Halifax I would walk past the abortion clinic every day and more often than not there would be protesters with signs ("Jesus loves every life","Choose god, not abortion", etc.). Clearly, the police didn't deem this a hate crime, let alone something to look into, as they just let the protesters give their message on an almost daily basis. So protesting abortion apparently is within our rights, but criticizing Islam is something that warrants a closer look (as far as I'm aware, she was not violent, which would obviously change the whole situation).

Of course, if she stood there saying something along the lines of "All Muslims must leave Canada, otherwise we should shoot them" that would indeed be something of interest to the cops, as that would clearly constitute hate speech (we have laws against hate speech). And indeed, that's why the cops are looking into this, because they think it might have been hate speech. However, we know nothing of what she said, we don't know the particular verses of the Koran she was handing out. Yet, she is already called an Islamaphobe in the media, while providing no evidence for said Islamaphobia. That's where my issue is.

 

[snakedafunky]

That depends (although this wasn't the point I was trying to make). For example, when I lived in Halifax I would walk past the abortion clinic every day and more often than not there would be protesters with signs ("Jesus loves every life","Choose god, not abortion", etc.). Clearly, the police didn't deem this a hate crime, let alone something to look into, as they just let the protesters give their message on an almost daily basis. So protesting abortion apparently is within our rights, but criticizing Islam is something that warrants a closer look (as far as I'm aware, she was not violent, which would obviously change the whole situation).

Of course, if she stood there saying something along the lines of "All Muslims must leave Canada, otherwise we should shoot them" that would indeed be something of interest to the cops, as that would clearly constitute hate speech (we have laws against hate speech). And indeed, that's why the cops are looking into this, because they think it might have been hate speech. However, we know nothing of what she said, we don't know the particular verses of the Koran she was handing out. Yet, she is already called an Islamaphobe in the media, while providing no evidence for said Islamaphobia. That's where my issue is.

Yeah, I agree with the criticism of the media.

 

[Grenz]

This seems like a perfectly reasonable response to me, "[A] member of the mosque congregation said to Sandra that she is free to choose her faith emphasizing that her problem is not with Islam but with the Saudi regime.”" I don't see the point of this thread.

The point of this thread is that someone was criticizing Islam - on grounds we don't know because it isn't mentioned anywhere in the media even though those facts must obviously available - and is now wanted for possible hate speech, and we haven't seen any evidence of this hate speech. Maybe you don't know, but in Canada, there is on-going controversy over bill M-103 which condemns all forms of Islamaphobia. Critics have pointed out that the term Islamaphobia lacks definition and further, that bill M-103 might be an infringement on free speech, rather than an amendment to existing hate speech laws.

 

[irish_thug]

Everyone in canada is turning crazy. I went to bestbuy a few months ago and saw my first tranny. He/She tried to help me find a laptop but I was scared and left. Now Im working with an elf person.

This is going to get worse

Elf person?

 

[Bald1]

The point of this thread is that someone was criticizing Islam - on grounds we don't know because it isn't mentioned anywhere in the media even though those facts must obviously available - and is now wanted for possible hate speech, and we haven't seen any evidence of this hate speech. Maybe you don't know, but in Canada, there is on-going controversy over bill M-103 which condemns all forms of Islamaphobia. Critics have pointed out that the term Islamaphobia lacks definition and further, that bill M-103 might be an infringement on free speech, rather than an amendment to existing hate speech laws.

Just a few things -

M103 is a motion to investigate "Islamaphobia", not a law against criticism aimed at Islam. Yet. Also, I think Rebound is Canadian.

Now that that's out of the way, my biggest problem is that M103 is aimed at Islam specifically. The last time I looked there were 3 recent news worthy stories of "Islamaphobia" with one of them proven as bs. That does not warrant special attention imo. And if we're going to start giving special attention to hurt feelings due to your religion being crapped on, then let's do that all across the board.

 

[SRN]

That depends (although this wasn't the point I was trying to make). For example, when I lived in Halifax I would walk past the abortion clinic every day and more often than not there would be protesters with signs ("Jesus loves every life","Choose god, not abortion", etc.). Clearly, the police didn't deem this a hate crime, let alone something to look into, as they just let the protesters give their message on an almost daily basis. So protesting abortion apparently is within our rights, but criticizing Islam is something that warrants a closer look (as far as I'm aware, she was not violent, which would obviously change the whole situation).

Of course, if she stood there saying something along the lines of "All Muslims must leave Canada, otherwise we should shoot them" that would indeed be something of interest to the cops, as that would clearly constitute hate speech (we have laws against hate speech). And indeed, that's why the cops are looking into this, because they think it might have been hate speech. However, we know nothing of what she said, we don't know the particular verses of the Koran she was handing out. Yet, she is already called an Islamaphobe in the media, while providing no evidence for said Islamaphobia. That's where my issue is.

Not quite, there's a new law that makes it illegal to protest abortion clinics within 50mts of it.

There's an abortion clinic in downtown Ottawa where one or two people would walk in front of it carrying pro life signs. Nothing loud or aggressive. I walk by them a lot and I've never heard their voices. Both are seniors citizens, I think. Few weeks ago I noticed the police was circling them, probably telling them to move. I learnt later that week that they arrested the man. I doubt very much that they were threatening anyone just by standing there with their signs.

this is from the day he was arrested

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-police-lay-first-charges-under-bubble-zone-law-1.3793951


EDIT Sorry I don't want to highjack this thread, it's just a ( ) to talk about our lack of freedom of speech.

 

[Grenz]

Just a few things -

M103 is a motion to investigate "Islamaphobia", not a law against criticism aimed at Islam. Yet. Also, I think Rebound is Canadian.

Now that that's out of the way, my biggest problem is that M103 is aimed at Islam specifically. The last time I looked there were 3 recent news worthy stories of "Islamaphobia" with one of them proven as bs. That does not warrant special attention imo. And if we're going to start giving special attention to hurt feelings due to your religion being crapped on, then let's do that all across the board.

True, it's a non-binding motion - so not a law by any means - however, it seeks to investigate various forms of hate crime with a starting point that condemns all forms of Islamaphobia. But nobody bothered to define Islamaphobia, so we don't know what it actually means. There's hate speech and then there's valid criticisms of anachronistic concepts. It's not clear where Islamaphobia lies.

 

[Bald1]

True, it's a non-binding motion - so not a law by any means - however, it seeks to investigate various forms of hate crime with a starting point that condemns all forms of Islamaphobia. But nobody bothered to define Islamaphobia, so we don't know what it actually means. There's hate speech and then there's valid criticisms of anachronistic concepts. It's not clear where Islamaphobia lies.

Personally I'd define it as an irrational fear or hatred of Islam, as the "phobia" part would indicate. The catch is there's nothing irrational about hating a supremacist and intolerant ideology. So that leaves me to believe it's an anti-criticism motion. So yeah, I agree, the motion is deliberately ambiguous making it damned dangerous.

 

[bobgeese]

Canuckistan has fallen.