can you spot the pattern here?

[Alpha_T83]

Most experienced and recognized ref being called on by several commissions to ref the biggest fights isn't much of a conspiracy.

I'm sure the data here is fine, but it's all pretty meaningless.

That's my take on it as well. There's always going to be 1-2 refs that are recognized as the "best in the sport" by the commissions. And one of those refs is going to ref the majority of the biggest fights.

Also if Herb is supposed to be fixing fights, he's doing a pretty poor job if you ask me.

 

[VinceArch]

@Dionysian just laid down the facts for ALL to see.

 

[VinceArch]

4. "UFC fights can't be fixed" just look at Ken shamrock diving before rich even hit him in the main event of the TUF finale

Shamrock went for a heel hook.

 

[Lawrence]

OP is going to disappear.

The only evidence the police will report........

"There was snow in the victim's driveway."

 

[Dionysian]

Which is where you are selecting your sample to fit your story insead of just reading the data. You've decided on an outcome and your fitting your "study" to your conclusion.

At this point we both know that, but you're just going to go with your A plan of trying to convince me to argue within the confines of your flawed premise.

And I'm not going to.

So you pretend I "don't get it", and I'm going to bow out.

Of course you will "bow out" without addressing literally ANY of the basic stat info I just spelled out for you over 3 posts and without conceding that you are literally unable to name a single fucking time in the history of more than >1000 Herb Dean fights where he EVER made a controversial "mistake" that ever benefited someone who was fighting a marketing favorite.

Best not to concede that. Best to pretend that the guy in this thread who does stats professionally... best to pretend it is HIS methodological fault that caused you to be unable to name a SINGLE instance in the history of Herb's life.

Better luck next time you talk down to someone to try to discredit their position / here's hoping that next time they don't actually have education on the topic you're posing about.

OP is going to disappear.

The only evidence the police will report........

"There was snow in the victim's driveway."

Nah I'm not going anywhere. People in this thread literally attacking me with bullshit one-liners about statistics when I did graduate work on the topic and have more IQ points in my pinky toe on the topic than they have in their body. Not letting that lazy-ass internet shit-posting slide.

 

[Lawrence]

Bro !

Of course you will "bow out" without addressing literally ANY of the basic stat info I just spelled out for you over 3 posts and without conceding that you are literally unable to name a single fucking time in the history of more than >1000 Herb Dean fights where he EVER made a controversial "mistake" that ever benefited someone who was fighting a marketing favorite.

Best not to concede that. Best to pretend that the guy in this thread who does stats professionally... best to pretend it is HIS methodological fault that caused you to be unable to name a SINGLE instance in the history of Herb's life.

Better luck next time you talk down to someone to try to discredit their position / here's hoping that next time they don't actually have education on the topic you're posing about.

Nah I'm not going anywhere. People in this thread literally attacking me with bullshit one-liners about statistics when I did graduate work on the topic and have more IQ points in my pinky toe on the topic than they have in their body. Not letting that lazy-ass internet shit-posting slide.

Bro !

I loved your OP and work.

Dana is gonna get ya... Not Sherdoggers

Also... Watch out for Black Helicopters.

 

[Shaddows]

Pretty clear message there
"If you work for me in any capacity" and "you approach a referee or judge or any official" then "I will fire you on the spot."

Translation: Know your place dogs / get in line. Note that Hardy did nothing but critique Dean for being incompetent / never even got in his personal space. Dana intentionally chose an abstract word "approach" to make the threat stretch to any fighter publicly contradicting any "official" in any capacity. Message was heard loud and clear after that too considering Hardy has been persona non grata ever since.

Bellator 187.


Prove it, Dana!!!
DO IT!!!

 

[Dionysian]

Bro !

Bro !

I loved your OP and work.

Dana is gonna get ya... Not Sherdoggers

Also... Watch out for Black Helicopters.

Thanks brother

Bellator 187.


Prove it, Dana!!!
DO IT!!!

Great signature by the way

 

[Shaddows]

Thank you
It w

Thanks brother



Great signature by the way

as at the height of Silva & GSP war, and both sides were soooooo passionate!!! It fitted perfectly!

 

[Dionysian]

Found this on youtube and leaving it here. Commentary here from UFC employees:

“The fix was in” – Aljo
“I dare you to text me and defend Herb Dean’s verbals” - Anik
“He did WAY too much” – Whittaker
“That shouldn’t be your job to come in and save the guy” – Kamaru
“Not really Herb Dean’s job to make it look like he wanted the fight back on the feet” – Volk
“He definitely got involved in the action on more than one occasion” – Bisping

If THOSE are the comments from people whose life depends on TKO paychecks, what is the excuse of Sherdog posters in this thread endlessly defending this corrupt bullshit?

 

[Dionysian]

Well you definitely put in the time to do the research.

Now I'm curious to see who refs the Jones/Stipe fight.

Google "referees assigned for ufc 309"

Not only is it Herb Dean as I predicted, but MMA media didn't post it's usual announcements (scroll down and you will see how they do it for other events). Almost as if PR accounts read Sherdog / this thread or something...

 

[Dionysian]

JON VERDICT: Jon got Herb to ref 69% of his fights (9 out of 13) while he was in the UFC's good graces. He had Herb ref 0% of his fights (0 out of 6) while he was in the UFC doghouse. PS... I bet my life savings that Herb refs the Jon vs Stipe fight.

BUMP: Just doubled my life savings. Herb will ref Jon/Stipe. Shocker of the century.

 

[chinarice]

Herb Dean and BJM became some of the worst refs in the game

 

[pbateman]

It really sucks when the organization that sparked your interest in the sport, only ruined it 10 years later.

Inb4 "ThEn DoN't watch"

Well I did stop watching, in 2017, i usually miss events altoether because I have zero interest in devoting 8 hours of every second Saturday to blatantly corrupt sports entertainment.

If there are fights on a card that I am actually interested in I will watch 1 or 2, 3 at most.

In all the years of watching and paying for ppvs, base pay has risen from 6k to 12k

The ufc has become such a joke, everyone gets an instant rematch, people like Colby can Squat in the ranks and get multiple title shots despite the fact that Colby has a grand total of zero wins against contenders under the age of 35.

 

[LiQuiD42]

I wish they would let me ref these events. I would ensure every fighter got their fair opportunity and that the fans were extremely pleased with how little I involve myself in the fight. I can guarantee that no fighter will ever complain about being robbed because I stopped the fight early. This is a solemn promise I make to you.

 

[Ibm]

Wow dude, nice analysis.

 

[Dionysian]

Wow dude, nice analysis.

thanks man

 

[Dionysian]

Yeah I mean from the UFC perspective they absolutely do not want Stipe to win that fight as it wrecks Dana's "Jon is GOAT" mantra. So whichever ref does that fight I can see potentially an early stoppage in Jon's favor etc.
Well let's see what happens. I still think there's a good chance one gets injured again before the November date.

I officially endorse this thread.

Fuck that, you present a legit argument imo. I always thought Herb was Dana's goon. The Conor/Khabib fight was highly suspicious (that's when my light bulb turned on). I 100% believe that Herb was trying to steer that fight in Conors favor. Fuck both corrupt Herb and Dana while we're at it too. They play us fans for fools, just like this Jones bullshit.

Dude if Herb is the ref for JBJ ve Stipe I'm dusting off my tin foil hat I wore last week and coming back here!

Thread updated to show that Herb is yet again reffing for Jon. Stipe likely can only win with a clean KO. Bookies should have moved the line towards Jon once it was confirmed Herb was reffing.

 

[jooohnmatrix]

The best refs are chosen for the biggest fights. Nothing more to see here.

 

[Dionysian]

The best refs are chosen for the biggest fights. Nothing more to see here.

You said "refs" plural. But it is one (shitty) ref that has complete domination of assignments where the UFC clearly wants one fighter to beat the other: Dean.

You said "biggest fights." But read the 2nd post which shows main events in general have Herb much less (36%) than when the UFC explicitly has an interest in who wins (where it then magically jumps to 80% Herb). For instance, undercard pre-champ O'Malley had way more Herb than main event big fights.

Herb isn't there to simply ref the "biggest fights" because he is one of the "best refs"... he is there specifically to put in the biggest fixes and the stats back that up.