Can we stop adding new goats everytime someone gets two defences

[Redman092000]

Why is fedor up their when all he did his entire career was fought bums and ducked real fighters

 

[BFoe]

Why is fedor up their when all he did his entire career was fought bums and ducked real fighters

Because he’s got more title defenses than someone like Khabib, 12 ranked wins, 7 UFC champs’ heads on his wall, and was #1 P4P fighter in the world for seven straight years. That’s why.

 

[Redman092000]

Because he’s got more title defenses than someone like Khabib, 12 ranked wins, 7 UFC champs’ heads on his wall, and was #1 P4P fighter in the world for seven straight years. That’s why.

Ducked brock , ducked overeem . Matter of fact he ducked the ufc all together

 

[BFoe]

Ducked brock , ducked overeem . Matter of fact he ducked the ufc all together

Never was in the UFC, and yet he’s beaten more former UFC champs than anyone else in the GOAT discussion. More than Jones, Anderson, GSP, MM, Aldo, Khabib, Stipe....
And this “he ducked Overeem” narrative just needs to die already. They were both in the Strikeforce tournament together.
If he’s not your choice for GOAT, that’s fine. But don’t act like he doesn’t belong in the discussion.

 

[Redman092000]

Never was in the UFC, and yet he’s beaten more former UFC champs than anyone else in the GOAT discussion. More than Jones, Anderson, GSP, MM, Aldo, Khabib, Stipe....
And this “he ducked Overeem” narrative just needs to die already. They were both in the Strikeforce tournament together.
If he’s not your choice for GOAT, that’s fine. But don’t act like he doesn’t belong in the discussion.
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Fought and beat ufc rejects who were cut from the promotion. Dana white offered him tons of money to join the ufc and he declined .

 

[BFoe]

Fought and beat ufc rejects who were cut from the promotion. Dana white offered him tons of money to join the ufc and he declined .

If you didn’t have a 2013 account, I’d assume you’re trolling right now.
-Arlovski didn’t get cut, he was on a 3 fight win streak. His UFC contract was up, and he opted to go to Affliction (did you see what they were paying him?)
-Ditto for Sylvia, who fought for the Interim HW belt in the fight just before he fought Fedor. He was a top contender, he wasn’t cut.
As for his UFC contract offer, those issues are well documented. As long as Fedor kept winning, the contract automatically renewed. He would be stuck in it. If he lost once, they could cut him with no guaranteed rematch against whomever beat him. Likewise, the freedom to compete in sambo tournaments, as well as co-promotion with M1 were things that were important to Fedor which Strikeforce was willing to do and the UFC wasn’t.
Look, I’d have loved to see him in the UFC. We all would. But we saw him tear through 5 former/future UFC champs during his streak, and 2 more champs from his era later in his career. Plus other HWs who had in the UFC back in those days, like Monson and Rizzo. We know how Fedor would’ve stacked up to the UFC at the time, because we’ve seen him beat most of the top HWs of the time. We never saw Brock-Fedor? We also never saw Brock-Stipe, or Brock-DC. It sucks but it’s not some sort of deal breaker. We have more than enough info to evaluate how good these guys were.

 

[jx820]

it took him 10 UFC fights to get a Title Shot

This is a very strange flex. It also contributes 0 additional title defenses.

 

[Redman092000]

If you didn’t have a 2013 account, I’d assume you’re trolling right now.
-Arlovski didn’t get cut, he was on a 3 fight win streak. His UFC contract was up, and he opted to go to Affliction (did you see what they were paying him?)
-Ditto for Sylvia, who fought for the Interim HW belt in the fight just before he fought Fedor. He was a top contender, he wasn’t cut.
As for his UFC contract offer, those issues are well documented. As long as Fedor kept winning, the contract automatically renewed. He would be stuck in it. If he lost once, they could cut him with no guaranteed rematch against whomever beat him. Likewise, the freedom to compete in sambo tournaments, as well as co-promotion with M1 were things that were important to Fedor which Strikeforce was willing to do and the UFC wasn’t.
Look, I’d have loved to see him in the UFC. We all would. But we saw him tear through 5 former/future UFC champs during his streak, and 2 more champs from his era later in his career. Plus other HWs who had in the UFC back in those days, like Monson and Rizzo. We know how Fedor would’ve stacked up to the UFC at the time, because we’ve seen him beat most of the top HWs of the time. We never saw Brock-Fedor? We also never saw Brock-Stipe, or Brock-DC. It sucks but it’s not some sort of deal breaker. We have more than enough info to evaluate how good these guys were.

Fought all those guys who were

If you didn’t have a 2013 account, I’d assume you’re trolling right now.
-Arlovski didn’t get cut, he was on a 3 fight win streak. His UFC contract was up, and he opted to go to Affliction (did you see what they were paying him?)
-Ditto for Sylvia, who fought for the Interim HW belt in the fight just before he fought Fedor. He was a top contender, he wasn’t cut.
As for his UFC contract offer, those issues are well documented. As long as Fedor kept winning, the contract automatically renewed. He would be stuck in it. If he lost once, they could cut him with no guaranteed rematch against whomever beat him. Likewise, the freedom to compete in sambo tournaments, as well as co-promotion with M1 were things that were important to Fedor which Strikeforce was willing to do and the UFC wasn’t.
Look, I’d have loved to see him in the UFC. We all would. But we saw him tear through 5 former/future UFC champs during his streak, and 2 more champs from his era later in his career. Plus other HWs who had in the UFC back in those days, like Monson and Rizzo. We know how Fedor would’ve stacked up to the UFC at the time, because we’ve seen him beat most of the top HWs of the time. We never saw Brock-Fedor? We also never saw Brock-Stipe, or Brock-DC. It sucks but it’s not some sort of deal breaker. We have more than enough info to evaluate how good these guys were.

Would have agreed with you had he not decline Dana’s offer to fight in the ufc . It’s a good thing that he did because I highly doubt he would beat the top heavyweights at that time who were like Shane carwin , brock , jds , Velasquez

 

[HHJ]

War Fedor. Those who say otherwise will burn in the downstairs place where all sinners dwell

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

BS for Khabib

it took him 10 UFC fights to get a Title Shot and GSP 1

He is the only fighter to beat 3 10 Top p4p fighters in a row by finish


He was not boring lnp either, he would beat you on the ground like you owed him money

The only GOAT candidate go through his career in the USADA era successfully

He has never bled or got finished like everyone else

29-0


Undisputed, Undefeated

statistically the most dominant fighter in UFC history

If Jon and GSP got injured and were hospitalized for cutting weight it would have taken them 10 fights too

 

[BFoe]

Fought all those guys who were


Would have agreed with you had he not decline Dana’s offer to fight in the ufc . It’s a good thing that he did because I highly doubt he would beat the top heavyweights at that time who were like Shane carwin , brock , jds , Velasquez

It’s hard to say, as Fedor was clearly declining from 2008 on. It’s important to remember that some of the guys you’re mentioning didn’t win titles or become top ranked until after the Affliction time period, or even start of Strikeforce time period.
For reference, here’s a ranking of all the best HWs from Jan 2009, when Fedor had his first Affliction fight.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...p/2009/1/11/716604/bloody-elbow-january-mma-m
If we never, ever got the chance to see Fedor against a top UFC fighter or former UFC champ that would be one thing, but that’s not the case. We’ve seen him beat plenty—more than any other GOAT candidate, in fact.

 

[CashMoney1991]

ya it does get annoying, but people get suckered into recency bias , Jones Anderson GSP Aldo and Mighty Mouse are at the top cus they all defended their belts numerous times and looked dominant while doing so

 

[ShinkanPo]

Yup the Goat talk has gotten cheap..

Lol Some people Think Greggor is a Goat!