Can we just be honest about UFC matchmaking

[CatchtheseHands]

Yes any loss especially ko losses stay with fighters for the rest of their lives.

This just isn't true...Fighters aren't that weak minded of people to let a loss affect their entire mindset like that. Are some losses harder than others? sure but they pick themselves back up and go onto the next one. You can't be a weak minded person with loser mental and be a professional fighter. Are there some exceptions like Ronda? yes but they generally don't stay around too long anyway and end up quitting early as soon as their first string of brutal losses happens.

 

[KhosVaziri]

This just isn't true...Fighters aren't that weak minded of people to let a loss affect their entire mindset like that. Are some losses harder than others? sure but they pick themselves back up and go onto the next one. You can't be a weak minded person with loser mental and be a professional fighter. Are there some exceptions like Ronda? yes but they generally don't stay around too long anyway and end up quitting early as soon as their first string of brutal losses happens.

just like ronda, izzy retired from a sport after a bad loss. he did continue in combat sports but he never kickboxed again after alex kod him.

doesn't make him weak minded, professional fighters avoid certain fights in boxing all the time.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Izzy was one of the best in the world, Alex still is and the total amount of fights don't matter. Glory doesn't disclose paydays like the UFC does.

Izzy didn't just move on. He got kod and retired after that. Yes it's clear he didn't want a trilogy fight.

Yeah and Michael Jordan retired from baseball and went back to basketball. Guess it was him being scared and not deciding to go back to what made him millions.

We will have to agree to disagree. There seems to be some reason you choose to focus on reasons to hate Izzy. There are reasons to think he is cringey but to say he is scared doesn't track for me. He could have ducked Yoel. He rematched Rob and Vetorri beating them easily. He destroyed Costa who basically called him F@ggot and humped him to boot. Guy isn't a chicken shit.

 

[chiefwiggum]

UFC giving pereira a titleshot would look absolutely retarded, doesn’t matter what the storyline is. the guy is a literal nobody as far as his MMA accomplishments go.

izzy has fought way better MMA fighters than pereira, but yeah he’s scared and ducking someone who’s not even close to being ranked in like.. the top 20 lmao.

izzy haters are just weird.

thisnhas happened many times. Liddell got his get back on jeremynhorn at 205 and horn was a lhw.

ufc has slowly turned the last 5!years or so. The top guys don’t even fight each other they all beat once good or great fighters.

you have no idea what you’re talking about. So izzynlosing twice to a guy is more than an apt fight

 

[KhosVaziri]

Yeah and Michael Jordan retired from baseball and went back to basketball. Guess it was him being scared and not deciding to go back to what made him millions.

We will have to agree to disagree. There seems to be some reason you choose to focus on reasons to hate Izzy. There are reasons to think he is cringey but to say he is scared doesn't track for me. He could have ducked Yoel. He rematched Rob and Vetorri beating them easily. He destroyed Costa who basically called him F@ggot and humped him to boot. Guy isn't a chicken shit.

well, MJ was nowhere near the same caliber of player in baseball. Either way, he also wasnt in a sport where you can get brutally kod. There's a big difference between just choosing not to play a sport anymore and choosing to after you got brutally knocked out.

 

[KhosVaziri]

Yeah and Michael Jordan retired from baseball and went back to basketball. Guess it was him being scared and not deciding to go back to what made him millions.

We will have to agree to disagree. There seems to be some reason you choose to focus on reasons to hate Izzy. There are reasons to think he is cringey but to say he is scared doesn't track for me. He could have ducked Yoel. He rematched Rob and Vetorri beating them easily. He destroyed Costa who basically called him F@ggot and humped him to boot. Guy isn't a chicken shit.

btw, never said he was chicken in general but its well known in boxing that fighters duck each other. all those guys you're talking about never put out izzy cold. I dont think izzy has ever even been in trouble in the ufc except when he fought jan.

 

[Just Creed]

Andersons strength was never jiujitsu and he also ended up in a different weight class from chonan and chonan never called him out when he made it to the UFC as far as I can recall. 2 different situations.

Izzy got kod on his feet and he's a stand up fighter. He doesn't want this fight. We've never seen Izzy wrestle offensively and he might try it and get kod.

I believe the fight will happen soon enough, we will see then

I feel like using Anderson Chonan was a mistake seeing as you seem to be focusing on something completely different to what I'm saying.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Remember when the UFC spun Pat Cummings fighting DC. Talking about how he made DC cry during wrestling practice or something.



Anything is possible

Yeah I was thinking about that the other day, that was a weird one, absolute mismatch too

 

[Herwald]

I don't think Izzy's desire to get that win back overwhelms him wanting to see Alex put some work in. Why should he get rewarded with an immediate title shot and massive exposure when Izzy had to go through the ranks? And what does Izzy prove by beating the dude in MMA at this point when he hasn't proven himself yet - that win would just get brushed off.

I don't think Izzy's scared, I don't think he cares much either way. But if this happens - Alex needs some wins to justify it, make himself known and worthy Izzy's time. And I don't think there's anything unfair about it.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

just like ronda, izzy retired from a sport after a bad loss. he did continue in combat sports but he never kickboxed again after alex kod him.

doesn't make him weak minded, professional fighters avoid certain fights in boxing all the time.

No he didn't retire from kick boxing cause he lost. He transitioned to MMA cause there was more money to be made there. Kickboxing for most is a dead end when it comes to money making potential. Only the top guys like Rico, Badr and others like them are the only ones making real money with kick boxing.

 

[Alexander_GOATanovski]

I came into this thread assuming that this would be a discussion about how terrible UFC matchmaking is as a whole which is why we see guys on 8/9/10 fight win streaks with no title shot. Instead I got an Izzy hate thread about some guy he's 0-2 against in a different sport smh

 

[KhosVaziri]

No he didn't retire from kick boxing cause he lost. He transitioned to MMA cause there was more money to be made there. Kickboxing for most is a dead end when it comes to money making potential. Only the top guys like Rico, Badr and others like them are the only ones making real money with kick boxing.

yeah that brutal ko had nothing to do with it. btw izzy was one of the top guys in the sport

 

[Sticko]

Look, let me start saying this: I do NOT mean to offend you.... but how fucking stupid are you????

I am not TELLING anyone to do anything!
I merely stated that IF Izzy wanted that fight, it would have happened.
I supported my theory by providing examples of other fighters who got undeserving title shots, and even fighters who never fought in the UFC before getting title shots... which is not eve the case for Alex since he is already in the UFC.

Again, I AGREE with your point of view!
Look at my post history, I am ALWAYS vocal against fighters getting undeserving title shots, no matter if I like them or not!!!

But this thread is about this specific fight, and I am merely answering to the topic, agreeing with the OP that (unfortunately) if Izzy was asking for the fight, UFC would be glad to make it happen!!!

Fuck, I even gave good reasoning why Izzy would not want to give Alex a title shot (and no, it is not because he fears Alex).

Fucking read my post and think before blindly answering!!! It is frustrating to keep saying this is not about my opinion on the matter.

If this is how you speak to people who "agree" with you, I would hate to disagree.

So, it comes down to this proposition: "IF Izzy wanted the fight, it would have happened."

Who gives a single flying fuck? It's clearly too early for that.

 

[Shaddows]

If this is how you speak to people who "agree" with you, I would hate to disagree.

So, it comes down to this proposition: "IF Izzy wanted the fight, it would have happened."

Who gives a single flying fuck? It's clearly too early for that.

If you don't give a shit, why are you here?
and more importantly, if you could fucking read and comprehend you would have saved a lot of time for both of us!

 

[CatchtheseHands]

yeah that brutal ko had nothing to do with it. btw izzy was one of the top guys in the sport

Top guys in the sport skill wise but not money wise. If you think Izzy was making what guys like Rico, Badr, K-1, Reem, K-1 Hunt or Lebanner were making you are sorely mistaken. Also, Alex lost his LHW Glory belt before signing with the UFC. Why is it that Izzy is considered a "quitter" for transitioning to MMA after his KO loss, but Alex isn't despite him losing his LHW belt before transitioning to MMA? comon dude.. you sound like a hater.

 

[KhosVaziri]

Top guys in the sport skill wise but not money wise. If you think Izzy was making what guys like Rico, Badr, K-1, Reem, K-1 Hunt or Lebanner were making you are sorely mistaken. Also, Alex lost his LHW Glory belt before signing with the UFC. Why is it that Izzy is considered a "quitter" for transitioning to MMA after his KO loss, but Alex isn't despite him losing his LHW belt before transitioning to MMA? comon dude.. you sound like a hater.

nobody really knows how much any of those guys get paid. even izzy never actually talked numbers, he just said some bs like he always does.

alex took an mma fight in between his last few kickboxing fights. he also didnt get brutally put to sleep. he's 1-1 with arguably one of the best kickboxers in the world right now.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

nobody really knows how much any of those guys get paid. even izzy never actually talked numbers, he just said some bs like he always does.

alex took an mma fight in between his last few kickboxing fights. he also didnt get brutally put to sleep. he's 1-1 with arguably one of the best kickboxers in the world right now.

Youre right, nobody really knows but the guys i mentioned, Badr, Reem, Hunt and Lebanner were all top tier fighters and big draws during K-1's prime years where HUGE stadiums in Japan were sold out and there was money to be made. So I think it's safe to say that they were indeed making much more money than Izzy was who didn't even turn pro til well after K-1 was done.

 

[DidYouJustGetHere]

Pereira will lose before he even gets the chance to fight Israel unless his next opponents go full retard and strike with him. UFC might also pair him up against favorable matchups so they can make bank on him fighting Israel

 

[BakaSurvivor]

Watching Silva hold his own in there with Alex while reading OP lmaoooooooooo

 

[filthynumber1]

UFC giving pereira a titleshot would look absolutely retarded,.

I think your confusing the ufc with actually giving a fuck.
I can assure, they do whatever the fuck they want. They don't give a fuck