Can the UFC Ban Conor Specifically From Boxing Matches?

[MikeMcMann]

Boxing and MMA are completely different sports. Frankie Edgar wrestled at Madison Square Garden in 2013 while he was under contract with the UFC. http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/haymak...hillipe-nover-at-grapple-at-the-garden-120213

What you are replying to him has nothing to do with what he said.

Wrestling in an exhibition wrestling match is nothing like taking a pro fight in a boxing PPV.

The UFC and their lawyers would not try to prevent exhibition grappling or other events. But if you think a top MMA fighter can jump and do a top Boxing PPV and the UFC lawyers did not think of that and prevent it you are pretty naïve.

 

[Mr Wings]

Conor should probably thank Zuffa for ensuring he's able to save face.

Literally save face.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Yeah, Mayweather destroying their FW champ in 10 seconds in a boxing match would make the UFC look great.

And his 100 million price sure would benefit them.

If the UFC got to co promote and share in the even bigger over all money I think they might do it. Conor losing in boxing to arguably one of the best boxers of all time would do little to damage his cred as an MMA fighter unless there are actually people out there who think he could win and we are worried about them getting a wake up call.

I can tell you whether Conor and Mayweather fight in a boxing match or not that Conor would get destroyed. I can say that for all top MMA fighters including Werdum if they go to boxing. That does not hurt my view of MMA as I know they would destroy the same guys in MMA.

This fight would, without a doubt be the biggest publicity the UFC would ever get along with the biggest payday. I could see them doing it if Mayweather is willing to share.

 

[WarKO]

If the UFC got to co promote and share in the even bigger over all money I think they might do it. Conor losing in boxing to arguably one of the best boxers of all time would do little to damage his cred as an MMA fighter unless there are actually people out there who think he could win and we are worried about them getting a wake up call.

I can tell you whether Conor and Mayweather fight in a boxing match or not that Conor would get destroyed. I can say that for all top MMA fighters including Werdum if they go to boxing. That does not hurt my view of MMA as I know they would destroy the same guys in MMA.

This fight would, without a doubt be the biggest publicity the UFC would ever get along with the biggest payday. I could see them doing it if Mayweather is willing to share.

They can't afford to pay Mayweather 100 million and Co-Promote splitting profits in half. They'd lose more than win. They'd just be the company that put up a guy for Floyd to destroy the casual fan wouldn't care about that. They'd see a guy sucking@ boxing and no showcasing of MMA skills. He's way too expensive for them and not enough payout.

 

[The Witcher]

i think it is probably a good thing that anderson did not get to box RJJ. RJJ takes clowing to a whole nother level and would have embarassed anderson so bad and made MMA striking look extremely primitive in a hands only boxing match.

Wasnt RJJ completely shot at that point? Anderson would have been competetive if not done well

 

[papasmurf999]

Yeah. Its called a contract the he signed that said he wouldn't fight anywhere else. That's why fighters like bellator. They can fight in mma as well as pro wrestling,kickboxing and regular boxing. They just have to get cleared first.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Boxing and MMA are completely different sports. Frankie Edgar wrestled at Madison Square Garden in 2013 while he was under contract with the UFC. http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/haymak...hillipe-nover-at-grapple-at-the-garden-120213

Oh and stop this nonsense.

Zuffa contracts also prevent fighters from competing in other combat sports while under contract with the following language –

Zuffa no boxing clause

Laslty, the contract continues should McGregor suggest he is ‘retired’ from MMA with the following freezing provision

Zuffa retirment clause

cite

 

[moreorless87]

Wasnt RJJ completely shot at that point? Anderson would have been competetive if not done well

The result would have been more questionable but I think you highlight the danger, RJJ was viewed as shot and Anderson was hyped as the P4P #1, if he'd have lost a boxing match that would have been a massive black eye for the UFC.

McGregor would be fighting someone hyped as the best boxer of his generation still in excellent form and has already just lost to Diaz.

 

[MikeMcMann]

They can't afford to pay Mayweather 100 million and Co-Promote splitting profits in half. They'd lose more than win. They'd just be the company that put up a guy for Floyd to destroy the casual fan wouldn't care about that. They'd see a guy sucking@ boxing and no showcasing of MMA skills. He's way too expensive for them and not enough payout.

In the end it is up to Mayweather to make sure the UFC gets enough for it to make sense.

Mayweather, Pacquiao was said to be a total of a $300MM purse with Mayweather getting $180MM and Pacquiao $120MM. I could see the UFC doing it if the cut was good enough.

 

[Guy Smith]

One of the huge sticking points in the Fedor/UFC negotiations was that Fedor wanted to be allowed to compete in combat sambo while under contract with he UFC, if I recall correctly. That shows us some precedent for this situation.

Also, the mighty Nick Diaz wanted Roy Jones Jr to buy out his UFC contract so they could box.

 

[Guy Smith]

Ever get see or get into a street fight? Its only punches. Boxing is more realistic than MMA

You must have only seen boxers in street fights. I've seen many fights growing up and nearly every fight ended up on the ground at some point. I've been in a handful unfortunately and they all ended up with me being taken down. Some of those fights were pre-MMA so there was no possible inspiration from cage grapplers.

 

[rbastid]

Boxing and MMA are completely different sports. Frankie Edgar wrestled at Madison Square Garden in 2013 while he was under contract with the UFC. http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/haymak...hillipe-nover-at-grapple-at-the-garden-120213

Wrestling isn't regulated by the state commission, boxing and MMA both are. So the UFC can use that as the excuse as to why they allow one and not the other, the same can be said for BJJ tournaments, they are unregulated by the state, and everything depends on the private governing body that is holding the event.

For all intents and purposes, all wrestling is considered exhibition if not High School, College or Olympic trial.

 

[rbastid]

You certainly make a good point about the same governing body. Usually non-compete clauses are difficult to enforce in most states and I doubt they would even be enforceable in Ireland. But as I said, nothing will stop UFC from banning Conor from competing and boxing orgs might do the same.

Actually, from my experience, Non-Competes are very easy to enforce because there is tons of legal precedent.

But as you said, there is a loophole. Conor is an Irish citizen so if they had a fight outside the US it may be tough to do anything about it. The UFC could use the threat of sustained legal action, but it'd most likely have to be done in an Irish court, as our courts in the U.S. have little bearing over seas (I doubt the U.S. Govt would come in and issue sanctions against Ireland for undermining U.S. contract laws) and maybe after the fact they can sue Conor for any money he was to make in U.S. markets (which again is going to tough as I'd guess in such a huge event each fighter is technically a loan out to their own LLC)

Someone said it best on the first page, if this is true, which I doubt, the UFC would just try to become a Co-Sponsor, because there's little downside in that case.

 

[lsa]

Actually, from my experience, Non-Competes are very easy to enforce because there is tons of legal precedent.

But as you said, there is a loophole. Conor is an Irish citizen so if they had a fight outside the US it may be tough to do anything about it. The UFC could use the threat of sustained legal action, but it'd most likely have to be done in an Irish court, as our courts in the U.S. have little bearing over seas (I doubt the U.S. Govt would come in and issue sanctions against Ireland for undermining U.S. contract laws) and maybe after the fact they can sue Conor for any money he was to make in U.S. markets (which again is going to tough as I'd guess in such a huge event each fighter is technically a loan out to their own LLC)

Someone said it best on the first page, if this is true, which I doubt, the UFC would just try to become a Co-Sponsor, because there's little downside in that case.

Wouldn't they somehow sue Floyd and the promotion too?
If a promotion sign and promote a fighter that is already under contract with another org, I am sure you could sue.

 

[Guy Smith]

Wouldn't they somehow sue Floyd and the promotion too?
If a promotion sign and promote a fighter that is already under contract with another org, I am sure you could sue.

Mayweather knows he'd get sued. He wouldn't spend millions to promote when the fight would be held up by the courts. He'd lose time and money.

 

[zerofux]

What you are replying to him has nothing to do with what he said.

Wrestling in an exhibition wrestling match is nothing like taking a pro fight in a boxing PPV.

The UFC and their lawyers would not try to prevent exhibition grappling or other events. But if you think a top MMA fighter can jump and do a top Boxing PPV and the UFC lawyers did not think of that and prevent it you are pretty naïve.

You sound like your just butthurt over the fact that people don't own other people in the modern world. Conor's contract is an MMA contract. If the UFC wants to sue him for taking a boxing match, he has dozens of other cases where UFC employed fighters have competed in non-mms events to site as precedent. The contract excerpt that you yourself produced, which could be from anywhere, specifically names professional wrestling, but Ronda Rousey was at Wrestlemania.

 

[FrankieNYC]

I get that the UFC can barr Conor from fighting in other sports. However, could the Muhammad Ali Act kick in specifically for boxing matches?

As stated in the other 20 threads before they were merged - YES THEY CAN

 

[FrankieNYC]

Wouldn't they somehow sue Floyd and the promotion too?
If a promotion sign and promote a fighter that is already under contract with another org, I am sure you could sue.

No PPV outlet would touch the fight.
All Zuffa has to do is fax them the contract

 

[Davemeddlehed]

Ever get see or get into a street fight? Its only punches. Boxing is more realistic than MMA

There's nothing that even remotely resembles boxing in most street fights aside from the fact that they're throwing what some might call punches. It looks more like pit-punching at a concert.

 

[Davemeddlehed]

In the end it is up to Mayweather to make sure the UFC gets enough for it to make sense.

Mayweather, Pacquiao was said to be a total of a $300MM purse with Mayweather getting $180MM and Pacquiao $120MM. I could see the UFC doing it if the cut was good enough.

Well seeing as the guy supposedly made them $400M in the last 8 months, I doubt Mayweather could make it worth the UFC's while, and still make a profit for himself.