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Can the average guy punch better than Punk with no training?

Of course.

Some guys can seriously crack with no training at all.
 
Well let this sink.

He and megan anderson have been training roughly the same amount of time and are roughly the same size . But megan throws hard and straight with proper mechanics - and she is pretty awkward and un-athletic herself.
 
Some guys with natural affinity for punching can punch decently on the bag the first few times they try it. The clear majority cannot though, and the average person sucks. This is on a bag or mitts in a gym fully fresh without a crowd watching. Put them in a ring or octagon and almost every single newbie would look shit fighting another person for 3 rounds.

There is a reason why even gifted people have several amateur fights and pro fights from youth building them up.

Even with that, Punk has an especially hard time learning proper technique, but that has to be put on his coaches.
 
The average guy? No.

The average athlete who's taken the same amount to train as CM Punk has the last couple years would run laps around him. He shows no talent at all for striking and his wrestling is also quite poor.

CM Punk needs to face up to the reality that training is not going to solve his complete lack of fighting talent.
 
The answer is most likely no, unsurprisingly.
And I’m sorry but that also goes for the all the sherbro’s that have built the idea up in their heads that they can throw down cos they watch mma, yet have never trained or been in a fight.
 
Bojka said:
There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with Punk's punching instincts. Like his biomechanics just don't understand how to throw a punch. Like how some people can't throw properly.

I've seen drunken basement boxing matches at parties and ordinary guys with zero training exhibit much more technical boxing with far better biomechanics (to get power, etc.) than Punk has with several years of training.
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His judgment of distance looked horrible.
 
GordoBarraBJJ said:
Well let this sink.

He and megan anderson have been training roughly the same amount of time and are roughly the same size . But megan throws hard and straight with proper mechanics - and she is pretty awkward and un-athletic herself.
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She is not un-athletic for a girl!

Most girls will get nowhere near is diesel as she is! Also, it is much easier for a soccer mom to be somewhat competent in WMMA than for a soccer dad to be somewhat competent in MMA.
 
He looked to me like a guy who had been training about 4-6 weeks, putting in 45 minutes per day, 5 days per week.
 
CM has about 1-1.5 years of training. His performance & techniques looked very good vs. Jackson....who was much more skilled & experienced. Fighting someone much more advanced is not the same as hitting pads with good tech. All that shit goes out the window when you're getting hit back.

My money's on CM vs. any Sherbro of the same size, age and 1-1.5 years of standup training in a Muay Thai fight.
 
wickedd said:
U're such a good boi. Maybe you can start a move on her now, after you bravely whiteknighted in her defense?
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You’re just mad because “white knigts” get more pussy:rolleyes:
 
Alphaboy said:
She is not un-athletic for a girl!

Most girls will get nowhere near is diesel as she is! Also, it is much easier for a soccer mom to be somewhat competent in WMMA than for a soccer dad to be somewhat competent in MMA.
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But even her pad work (yeah I know pad work means nothing) is way more fluid and strong looking.

I guess by that I meant she is pretty awkward in her movements at times and is pretty flat footed and slow.
 
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