International Can someone explain to me what started this whole worldwide immigration crisis?

[Croo67]

they can just do crimes in syria, you neanderthal. why would they travel all the way to europe to do shit they could be doing there? just because some of them commit crimes when they come over doesn't erase the reality that their countries are war-torn wastelands due to western capitalist intervention.

Some? They're 3.5x more likely to commit violent and sexual crimes than UK nationals.

Being housed in luxury hotels (minimum of 4 star by law) until their new-build properties are ready is a pretty big incentive to come to Europe, as is the welfare payments and additional benefits such as grants for driving lessons and free transport passes.

As for the 'neanderthal' slur. Bit ironic coming from a guy with the literacy levels of an eight-year-old - not to mention you spend your time defending literal neanderthals!

 

[avenue94]

Americans just understand that the economic costs of mass migration are much greater than their benefits in terms of affordability for the average citizen at the very least. The cake dichotomy we have been sold is a lie and it's clearly demonstrable at this point.

Except they aren't. Every time someone credible calculates the cost of illegal and legal migration, that population always pays more into the system than it gets out. It's not even close. We're talking probably at least a 10% price subsidy for most groceries and construction costs, before you get into any of the other revenue from migrants.

America is a pretty cool country but most Americans don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to economics or calculating government spending/revenue.

 

[Croo67]

Except they aren't. Every time someone credible calculates the cost of illegal and legal migration, that population always pays more into the system than it gets out. It's not even close. We're talking probably at least a 10% price subsidy for most groceries and construction costs, before you get into any of the other revenue from migrants.

America is a pretty cool country but most Americans don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to economics or calculating government spending/revenue.

University of Amsterdam study estimates that the average asylum seeker will cost the Netherlands €475,000 throughout their lifetime.

Immigration could cost the Netherlands Є600 Billion over next 20yrs academics say - Gript

“immigrants pay fewer taxes”

gript.ie

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Some? They're 3.5x more likely to commit violent and sexual crimes than UK nationals.

no. they're 3.5x more likely to get arrested for those crimes. not the same thing.

Being housed in luxury hotels (minimum of 4 star by law) until their new-build properties are ready is a pretty big incentive to come to Europe, as is the welfare payments and additional benefits such as grants for driving lessons and free transport passes.

considering people say that's what happens in the US too and it's absolutely false, i'm pretty sure you're making shit up. if somehow you aren't, that's a UK problem. no one else.

As for the 'neanderthal' slur. Bit ironic coming from a guy with the literacy levels of an eight-year-old - not to mention you spend your time defending literal neanderthals!

i am unbelievably literate lmao i read at a collegiate level at 9 years old. nothing i've ever written or responded to on this site would even warrant you saying that, so i have no idea where that comes from. as for the second part, "brown muslim people are subhuman to the point they are equal to neanderthals" isn't a statement that helps you beat the nazi allegations.

literal neanderthals died 50,000 years ago.

 

[Croo67]

no. they're 3.5x more likely to get arrested for those crimes. not the same thing.

considering people say that's what happens in the US too and it's absolutely false, i'm pretty sure you're making shit up. if somehow you aren't, that's a UK problem. no one else.

i am unbelievably literate lmao i read at a collegiate level at 9 years old. nothing i've ever written or responded to on this site would even warrant you saying that, so i have no idea where that comes from. as for the second part, "brown muslim people are subhuman to the point they are equal to neanderthals" isn't a statement that helps you beat the nazi allegations.

literal neanderthals died 50,000 years ago.

If you commit rape and murder in Britain you get arrested - believe it or not, they are crimes.

In many London boroughs, as much as 76% of social housing goes to foreign nationals.



You are illiterate; you don't even know how to use capital letters.

 

[avenue94]

University of Amsterdam study estimates that the average asylum seeker will cost the Netherlands €475,000 throughout their lifetime.

Immigration could cost the Netherlands Є600 Billion over next 20yrs academics say - Gript

“immigrants pay fewer taxes”

gript.ie

We're talking about the US.

 

[Croo67]

We're talking about the US.

No, the thread title pretty clearly reads 'worldwide'.

 

[AbominableJoman]

The Moors

 

[avenue94]

No, the thread title pretty clearly reads 'worldwide'.

Do not know how to fucking read? Another poster and I were talking about the US. Go bug someone else about Europe if you want.

Saying it's just corporations is naive. Americans bitch about inflation and having to pay a bit more due to global challenges. But somehow they're willing to pay more for staples if we magically get rid of the migrants that work in construction and food production or health care? Americans want to have their cake and eat it too.

Americans just understand that the economic costs of mass migration are much greater than their benefits in terms of affordability for the average citizen at the very least. The cake dichotomy we have been sold is a lie and it's clearly demonstrable at this point.

Except they aren't. Every time someone credible calculates the cost of illegal and legal migration, that population always pays more into the system than it gets out. It's not even close. We're talking probably at least a 10% price subsidy for most groceries and construction costs, before you get into any of the other revenue from migrants.

America is a pretty cool country but most Americans don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to economics or calculating government spending/revenue.

 

[Lycandroid]

right. therefore any so-called-communist state that isn't made up of the nation's labor isn't actually communist. you answered your own question

democracy doesn't have a prerequisite number of political parties. democracy simply means the public makes the policy choices, typically through elected representation. china votes for their elected officials. you being upset they have one political party instead of two doesn't make it undemocratic.

Yeah, the old it wasn't really communism argument is a sickening sweeping under the rug of the real horrors that come about when we try to implement it.

It's not democracy when the state picks and chooses which policies and officials are even allowed to be voted on. Try using at least one of your brain cells please.

 

[Kassitus]

Except they aren't. Every time someone credible calculates the cost of illegal and legal migration, that population always pays more into the system than it gets out. It's not even close. We're talking probably at least a 10% price subsidy for most groceries and construction costs, before you get into any of the other revenue from migrants.

America is a pretty cool country but most Americans don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to economics or calculating government spending/revenue.

Maybe if you look at something as isolated as construction costs, but that's why I specified affordability for the average citizen. Looking at the big picture all the countries that have tried mass migration are suffering and all those that neglect it are rapidly improving. Read the report by Jenrick et al. Examining the extreme costs migration has on the UK government. Look at all the countries America included where gdp goes up by a few percent and the cost of housing goes up 40%. In case it's not obvious yet, nobody under the age of 35 can afford the standard of living of their parents in all the countries that participate in this experiment.

 

[avenue94]

Maybe if you look at something as isolated as construction costs, but that's why I specified affordability for the average citizen. Looking at the big picture all the countries that have tried mass migration are suffering and all those that neglect it are rapidly improving. Read the report by Jenrick et al. Examining the extreme costs migration has on the UK government. Look at all the countries America included where gdp goes up by a few percent and the cost of housing goes up 40%. In case it's not obvious yet, nobody under the age of 35 can afford the standard of living of their parents in all the countries that participate in this experiment.

Your math isn't mathing. How do immigrants to the US cost more than they pay in? And immigrants, especially illegal ones, are a deflationary force on housing costs in the US. The increase in housing costs is due to not building enough housing. Guess one of the things that helps build more houses? More labor...

How do you even explain housing costs increasing due to migration in the US? You have to use so awfully bad logic to get close to such a ridiculous conclusion.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

I blame the EU

My Slavic friend:

"Fuck EU for letting Romania in. Now we'll be flooded with gypsies abusing the system."

Also:

"Fuck Brexit. It will be harder for me to go and work there legally. "

 

[Cajun]

i don't follow this stuff too closely so this is very possibly a stupid question. But what was it that started this whole mess? i mean immigration issues have always been a thing, sure, but the last several years it has ramped up majorly all over the world. Entire cultures being herded around like cattle. What started this?

Obviously Covid played a role, for the Muslim migrants it was all the war and bombing in the middle east Syria, Lybia, Afghanistan, Iraq...

 

[Kassitus]

Your math isn't mathing. How do immigrants to the US cost more than they pay in? And immigrants, especially illegal ones, are a deflationary force on housing costs in the US. The increase in housing costs is due to not building enough housing. Guess one of the things that helps build more houses? More labor...

How do you even explain housing costs increasing due to migration in the US? You have to use so awfully bad logic to get close to such a ridiculous conclusion.

Because housing is a finite resource. Isn't it obvious you can't just bring infinity Indians to increase the population forever? Justin Trudeau spent a decade of his tenure singing your tune only to finally admit he was wrong and he destroyed the economy because of it. How much more evidence do you need? The rest of the Anglosphere is crippled by mass migration but in America things will somehow be different? How do you explain house prices going up 40% in a few years despite your magical immigrants coming in at an all time high rate? Where is this great deflationary force? You think this is awful logic and ridiculous? The policies you advocate for have ruined the futures of the young generations. You ignore the evidence as it heaps higher and higher like an Oedipus figure.

 

[Lord_Impaler]

The destabilization of Libya started the so called “migrant crisis” in Europe.

And everyone knew exactly what was going to happen when Gaddafi was deposed. It was a wet dream.

 

[avenue94]

Because housing is a finite resource.

Housing is not finite, you can literally build more houses to expand supply. That's what America has failed to do for decades.

How much more evidence do you need?

Show me how the cost of migrants exceeds their economic contributions in the US. You've provided zero evidence and keep talking about other countries.

The rest of the Anglosphere is crippled by mass migration but in America things will somehow be different?

The US is much better at assimilating immigrants asnd has a much longer history of doing so. On a structural level, the US also much more heavily limits benefits access for migrants than other developed countries.

How do you explain house prices going up 40% in a few years despite your magical immigrants coming in at an all time high rate?

Lack of new housing construction. This isn't hard to track. Notice the huge drop after the recession that has yet to rebound? The US already wasn't keeping up pre-recession. Also where are illegal immigrants getting the money to buy houses in California and compete with natives? Seriously, where do they find enough to cover the down payment on a million dollar home.

 

[Wilmer Digreux]

- It's impossible to have a one world goverment!

not really, imo.

All they have to do is put different people in charge of each continent (or country) but those people all answer to one person or organization.

Or another way to do it is to have a person or org hide out of public sight but still control all other world leaders through economics or coercion or whatever.

i think this WILL eventually happen. For all we know it's already happening.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

If you commit rape and murder in Britain you get arrested - believe it or not, they are crimes.

Virtually all rape victims are denied justice: Here is the roadmap to failure. - Saunders Law

This article focuses on the criminal justice outcomes for genuine victims of sex offences. They are referred to as ‘victims’, not ‘alleged victims’. Nothing here is intended to infer that...

www.saunders.co.uk

"In 2021–2022, only 3.2% of rapes reported to police in England and Wales were prosecuted."

interesting.

In many London boroughs, as much as 76% of social housing goes to foreign nationals.

i would have to read the study and/or studies this number comes from to properly respond. that said, assuming this is unequivocally true, is there a massive homeless problem in those boroughs then? tons of unhoused british citizens waiting for housing? i guess i could just google it and i probably will eventually but i want to see if you lie first.

You are illiterate; you don't even know how to use capital letters.

capital letters have nothing to do with literacy. if you think i don't capitalize because i don't know how to, you're wrong, but that would be punctuation and capitalization. writing mechanics, not literacy.

best part is, you not understanding the meaning of words DOES fall under literacy. imagine that.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Yeah, the old it wasn't really communism argument is a sickening sweeping under the rug of the real horrors that come about when we try to implement it.

well this is precisely the proverbial wall you've been walking into banging your head on. people say "it wasn't real communism" when it wasn't "real" communism. "real" communism is what's detailed in the works of marx. you can't do something completely different, call yourself a communist, and have that be correct.

there have also been some great examples of successful implementation of marxism. cuba, chile, burkina faso, yugoslavia. hell even the local communism of the black panther party did wonders for their neighborhoods. and every one of these communist/socialist regimes was either directly overthrown by, or collapsed due to western intervention (sanctions, funding opposition) and outright coups/assassinations.

It's not democracy when the state picks and chooses which policies and officials are even allowed to be voted on. Try using at least one of your brain cells please.

in that case, there's literally no democracy anywhere. walked right into that one, didn't you?