@europe1 @gono btw Hello, everyone. Long story short: I'm an academic and I'm presenting an MMA history paper at a conference soon and I'm looking for a source. I haven't been able to find it yet, and that's because my memory is fuzzy (and Google is only as good as what you search for), so I'm turning to the MMA encyclopedias on here for help. After Royce Gracie lost to Matt Hughes at UFC 60, I remember an interview - I don't remember if it was Royce himself or someone else in the Gracie family, and I don't remember if it was a print interview or on a UFC broadcast - where someone was giving a glass half full perspective and talking about how Royce's loss to Matt was ultimately a win for the Gracies and for BJJ since Matt won what was essentially a ground fight. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, can you post up a link for me in here or point me in the direction of the quote? Whoever comes up with what I'm looking for first, I promise you a shoutout in my presentation Thanks in advance.