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1) i will try to keep this short
2) they mean the christian bible compirsing both the old and new testament
3) Agenda - Penn's agenda is that the bible is wrong and is used for hatred and bigotry
4) one phd who calls himself doctor will be referred to as CON (contrary to penn's position) and one phd who does not call himself doctor will be referred to as PRO
-note, see the nice vilification of the phd who is against Penn's agenda?
1) penn tries to take genesis literally. NO ONE who is respected on bible studies takes Genesis literally. It is the tale of the creation of the universe in theological terms. It is not a science book. Science did not exist until about the 16th century.
The PRO guy supports Genesis to not be taken literally, but Penn still cannot get this
2) penn takes Exodos literally. PRO guy says there is no proof that israelites were in egypt was there or that the Red Sea could part.
- egypt did not record losses
- is hyklos the israelites?
- The Merneptah Stele—also known as the Israel Stele or Victory Stele of Merneptah—is an inscription by the Ancient Egyptian king Merneptah (reign: 1213 to 1203 BC) which says "Israel is laid waste"
- the red sea SCIENTIFICALLY COULD HAVE PARTED
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39287373/...ld-have-parted-sea-moses-escape/#.U2UvTVcvBvY
- was exodos embellished?
3) Penn says in genesis there are two account of the creation of man so it must all be wrong
-again multiple authors from thousands of years ago writing theological creation story
3A) penn uses this to go on about multiple recipes on Elvis's fried chicken
- a better comparison would have been on the measurements on the ark of the convenant-- there are no conflicting measurements. there is one given.
4) Penn says that people say bible is highest selling book of all time. he says why is it not on the amazon's top 100? then says the second highest is that mao tse tsung guy's book and be careful about best sellers
-well, what is is? it is the bestseller of all time or not, PENN?
-does penn understand that the "bestselling book of ALL TIME" means over the course of history and not just the hottest selling book on amazon this month?????
5) PRO says absence of proof does not equal truth
- i would also say we discover new species every day. this existed before we found them
- buried cultures existed even though we may now just be digging up their sites
6) PRO talks about Appollonius who did many things that jesus did
- appolonius is written about in one book
- he was used as propaganda by rome against christ
- he lived in AD 15-100, where jesus lived about 7-2 BC until 30-30 AD
--um, who the fuck came first?
7) PRO says all of jesus miracles were magic trick that penn and teller could do
but then P and T do not do them to prove a point
- P and T do not do them in front of huge crowds in 1st century israel
- P and T do not do them with 12 disciples following them around AND THEN being MARTYRED due to their belief in them
8) Penn goes into the brutal stoning as punishment for being gay or getting uppidity with your parent
- penn is living in the current world!!!
- life in OT times was brutal. slavery was a fucking GIVEN
- the rules in leviticus were brutal because god was setting aside rules for his people and giving them land. even with brutal death GOD still spent centuries banging monotheism into their heads.
-it was brutal following of rules or they would have not lasted...period
-like a child, you treat a child differently when he is a baby vs a teenager
9) PRO admits that Jesus probably existed and was crucified and has 2 historical accounts of him existing, but also says no proof of resurrection AND that science could NEVER prove or disprove that. also said messiahs were a dime a dozen
- jesus performed miracles to show who he was
- he was resurrected. proof??? why is jesus remembered and the other "messiahs" were not? When all these cult leader die, then their cult dies
THe only answer is that jesus was resurrected and seen by his followers
IF NOT
Then why did ALL the original disciples chose to be MARTYRED instead of renouncing jesus???? why did the first followers chose to be killed or suffer following someone who just died??
there is more but this is already FRAT
Penns closing statement and BIGGEST LIE AND DANGEROUS PROPAGANDA
Says that the bible is a book which promotes hatred and bigotry and violence
my answer is that the word of jesus OVERRIDES anything else in the bible. this is most important to christians period
1) stoning gays or adulterers or people who are uppity against parent
john 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
mark
10:5-9 - "Moses gave you that commandment," returned Jesus, "because you know so little of the meaning of love.
mathew 7
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
2) bigotry
luke
14:12-14 - Then, addressing his host, Jesus said, "When you give a luncheon or a dinner party, don't invite your friends or your brothers or relations or wealthy neighbours, for the chances are they will invite you back, and you will be fully repaid. No, when you give a party, invite the poor, the lame, the crippled and the blind. That way lies real happiness for you. they have no means of repaying you, but you will be repaid when good men are rewarded - at the resurrection."
7:1-2 - "Don't criticise people, and you will not be criticised. For you will be judged by the way you criticise others, and the measure you give will be the measure you receive."
7:12 - "Treat other people exactly as you would like to be treated by them - this is the essence of all true religion."
3) violence and hatred
5:2-12 - Then he began his teaching by saying to them, "How happy are the humble-minded, for the kingdom of Heaven is theirs! "How happy are those who know what sorrow means for they will be given courage and comfort! "Happy are those who claim nothing, for the whole earth will belong to them! "Happy are those who are hungry and thirsty for goodness, for they will be fully satisfied! "Happy are the merciful, for they will have mercy shown to them! "Happy are the utterly sincere, for they will see God! "Happy are those who make peace, for they will be sons of God! "Happy are those who have suffered persecution for the cause of goodness, for the kingdom of Heaven is theirs! "And what happiness will be yours when people blame you and ill-treat you and say all kinds of slanderous things against you for my sake! Be glad then, yes, be tremendously glad - for your reward in Heaven is magnificent. They persecuted the prophets before your time in exactly the same way.
5:38-39 - "You have heard that it used to be said 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth', but I tell you, don't resist the man who wants to harm you. If a man hits your right cheek, turn the other one to him as well.
5:40-42 - "If a man wants to sue you for your coat, let him have it and your overcoat as well. If anybody forces you to go a mile with him, do more - go two miles with him. Give to the man who asks anything from you, and don't turn away from the man who wants to borrow."
5:43-45 - "You have heard that it used to be said, 'You shall love your neighbour', and 'hate your enemy', but I tell you, Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Heavenly Father. For he makes the sun rise upon evil men as well as good, and he sends his rain upon honest and dishonest men alike.
6:14-15 - "For if you forgive other people their failures, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you will not forgive other people, neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you your failures."
Penn's is a piece of shit who would lie to you just to fit his aganeda. he is telling no truth, only lies
these lies are dangerous as the bible is to do 3 things:
1) promote a moral code so we can live in harmony
2) promote a moral code to keep OURSELVES in order and live a happy life
3) promote a moral code to get us right with god so we may live in heaven for all eternity
and my bible quote to Penn would be:
18:5-7 - "Anyone who welcomes one child like this for my sake is welcoming me. But if anyone leads astray one of these little children who believe in me he would be better off thrown into the depths of the sea with a mill-stone hung round his neck! Alas for the world with its pitfalls! In the nature of things there must be pitfalls. yet alas for the man who is responsible for them!
2) they mean the christian bible compirsing both the old and new testament
3) Agenda - Penn's agenda is that the bible is wrong and is used for hatred and bigotry
4) one phd who calls himself doctor will be referred to as CON (contrary to penn's position) and one phd who does not call himself doctor will be referred to as PRO
-note, see the nice vilification of the phd who is against Penn's agenda?
1) penn tries to take genesis literally. NO ONE who is respected on bible studies takes Genesis literally. It is the tale of the creation of the universe in theological terms. It is not a science book. Science did not exist until about the 16th century.
The PRO guy supports Genesis to not be taken literally, but Penn still cannot get this
2) penn takes Exodos literally. PRO guy says there is no proof that israelites were in egypt was there or that the Red Sea could part.
- egypt did not record losses
- is hyklos the israelites?
- The Merneptah Stele—also known as the Israel Stele or Victory Stele of Merneptah—is an inscription by the Ancient Egyptian king Merneptah (reign: 1213 to 1203 BC) which says "Israel is laid waste"
- the red sea SCIENTIFICALLY COULD HAVE PARTED
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39287373/...ld-have-parted-sea-moses-escape/#.U2UvTVcvBvY
- was exodos embellished?
3) Penn says in genesis there are two account of the creation of man so it must all be wrong
-again multiple authors from thousands of years ago writing theological creation story
3A) penn uses this to go on about multiple recipes on Elvis's fried chicken
- a better comparison would have been on the measurements on the ark of the convenant-- there are no conflicting measurements. there is one given.
4) Penn says that people say bible is highest selling book of all time. he says why is it not on the amazon's top 100? then says the second highest is that mao tse tsung guy's book and be careful about best sellers
-well, what is is? it is the bestseller of all time or not, PENN?
-does penn understand that the "bestselling book of ALL TIME" means over the course of history and not just the hottest selling book on amazon this month?????
5) PRO says absence of proof does not equal truth
- i would also say we discover new species every day. this existed before we found them
- buried cultures existed even though we may now just be digging up their sites
6) PRO talks about Appollonius who did many things that jesus did
- appolonius is written about in one book
- he was used as propaganda by rome against christ
- he lived in AD 15-100, where jesus lived about 7-2 BC until 30-30 AD
--um, who the fuck came first?
7) PRO says all of jesus miracles were magic trick that penn and teller could do
but then P and T do not do them to prove a point
- P and T do not do them in front of huge crowds in 1st century israel
- P and T do not do them with 12 disciples following them around AND THEN being MARTYRED due to their belief in them
8) Penn goes into the brutal stoning as punishment for being gay or getting uppidity with your parent
- penn is living in the current world!!!
- life in OT times was brutal. slavery was a fucking GIVEN
- the rules in leviticus were brutal because god was setting aside rules for his people and giving them land. even with brutal death GOD still spent centuries banging monotheism into their heads.
-it was brutal following of rules or they would have not lasted...period
-like a child, you treat a child differently when he is a baby vs a teenager
9) PRO admits that Jesus probably existed and was crucified and has 2 historical accounts of him existing, but also says no proof of resurrection AND that science could NEVER prove or disprove that. also said messiahs were a dime a dozen
- jesus performed miracles to show who he was
- he was resurrected. proof??? why is jesus remembered and the other "messiahs" were not? When all these cult leader die, then their cult dies
THe only answer is that jesus was resurrected and seen by his followers
IF NOT
Then why did ALL the original disciples chose to be MARTYRED instead of renouncing jesus???? why did the first followers chose to be killed or suffer following someone who just died??
there is more but this is already FRAT
Penns closing statement and BIGGEST LIE AND DANGEROUS PROPAGANDA
Says that the bible is a book which promotes hatred and bigotry and violence
my answer is that the word of jesus OVERRIDES anything else in the bible. this is most important to christians period
1) stoning gays or adulterers or people who are uppity against parent
john 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
mark
10:5-9 - "Moses gave you that commandment," returned Jesus, "because you know so little of the meaning of love.
mathew 7
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
2) bigotry
luke
14:12-14 - Then, addressing his host, Jesus said, "When you give a luncheon or a dinner party, don't invite your friends or your brothers or relations or wealthy neighbours, for the chances are they will invite you back, and you will be fully repaid. No, when you give a party, invite the poor, the lame, the crippled and the blind. That way lies real happiness for you. they have no means of repaying you, but you will be repaid when good men are rewarded - at the resurrection."
7:1-2 - "Don't criticise people, and you will not be criticised. For you will be judged by the way you criticise others, and the measure you give will be the measure you receive."
7:12 - "Treat other people exactly as you would like to be treated by them - this is the essence of all true religion."
3) violence and hatred
5:2-12 - Then he began his teaching by saying to them, "How happy are the humble-minded, for the kingdom of Heaven is theirs! "How happy are those who know what sorrow means for they will be given courage and comfort! "Happy are those who claim nothing, for the whole earth will belong to them! "Happy are those who are hungry and thirsty for goodness, for they will be fully satisfied! "Happy are the merciful, for they will have mercy shown to them! "Happy are the utterly sincere, for they will see God! "Happy are those who make peace, for they will be sons of God! "Happy are those who have suffered persecution for the cause of goodness, for the kingdom of Heaven is theirs! "And what happiness will be yours when people blame you and ill-treat you and say all kinds of slanderous things against you for my sake! Be glad then, yes, be tremendously glad - for your reward in Heaven is magnificent. They persecuted the prophets before your time in exactly the same way.
5:38-39 - "You have heard that it used to be said 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth', but I tell you, don't resist the man who wants to harm you. If a man hits your right cheek, turn the other one to him as well.
5:40-42 - "If a man wants to sue you for your coat, let him have it and your overcoat as well. If anybody forces you to go a mile with him, do more - go two miles with him. Give to the man who asks anything from you, and don't turn away from the man who wants to borrow."
5:43-45 - "You have heard that it used to be said, 'You shall love your neighbour', and 'hate your enemy', but I tell you, Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Heavenly Father. For he makes the sun rise upon evil men as well as good, and he sends his rain upon honest and dishonest men alike.
6:14-15 - "For if you forgive other people their failures, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you will not forgive other people, neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you your failures."
Penn's is a piece of shit who would lie to you just to fit his aganeda. he is telling no truth, only lies
these lies are dangerous as the bible is to do 3 things:
1) promote a moral code so we can live in harmony
2) promote a moral code to keep OURSELVES in order and live a happy life
3) promote a moral code to get us right with god so we may live in heaven for all eternity
and my bible quote to Penn would be:
18:5-7 - "Anyone who welcomes one child like this for my sake is welcoming me. But if anyone leads astray one of these little children who believe in me he would be better off thrown into the depths of the sea with a mill-stone hung round his neck! Alas for the world with its pitfalls! In the nature of things there must be pitfalls. yet alas for the man who is responsible for them!
