Cain Velasquez body frame...what if

bjjwar said:
What i'm saying is that guys like the one you're showing could easily lose some fat and drop a great amount of weight.
Just like Cormier did very easily and still could go under LHW very easily again.

With all that amount of fat you can lose weight easily.A guy like Junior on the other hand,not so quickly.But he could do it also by losing some muscle mass.

You can take anyone for example.Anderson was at 170 back in the days and he walks around 220 chubby.If you see footage of him training with Dos Santos,you wouldn't think one of them is a big HW and the other guy is a MW.It's not that hard for big guys to play around with their weight.

Some LW's walk around at 190 and cut to 155.This is 1000 times harder than for someone like Cain to drop 40-50 lbs and cut the rest.
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what you ignore is the bulk of the muscle mass below the fat.

I've seen guys argue that Fedor is GSP height and if he worked out as much as GSP and got ripped he could have fought at WW. :eek:

There is such profound ignorance in views like yours and theirs.

You guys see someone like GSP like this

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and think because he is ripped that means his muscles have a good amount of mass and are bulky.

They are not. You have him turn sideways and you see just how little mass they actually have. He is a ripped skinny guy.

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Cain has big bulky mass chest, legs, core, neck, despite the chub over it.
 
RalphFurley said:
what you ignore is the bulk of the muscle mass below the fat.

I've seen guys argue that Fedor is GSP height and if he worked out as much as GSP and got ripped he could have fought at WW. :eek:

There is such profound ignorance in views like yours and theirs.

You guys see someone like GSP like this

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and think because he is ripped that means his muscles have a good amount of mass and are bulky.

They are not. You have him turn sideways and you see just how little mass they actually have. He is a ripped skinny guy.

georges-st-pierre.jpg


Cain has big bulky mass chest, legs, core, neck, despite the chub over it.
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GSP is skinny? what the hell are you talking about? he's ripped and muscular way above average even though he doesn't look like Overroid.

Cain is big for sure, but he's a small HW for f...k's sake. Is it that hard to see? He could maked LHW for sure and be perfectly healthy. Not saying he should, never said it. Thread was derailed!
 
Cain could definitely diet and cut weight to 205 lbs. But it would make no sense since he would lose much of the cardio and wrestling advantages compared to the top fighters at LHW.

My build is somewhat similar to Cain's, 6" tall, big torso/arms/hips and I weigh around 235 lbs if I do not diet or do a lot of cardio. Now I am around 209-212 lbs simply watching the diet and running 12-14 miles a week.
 
Fight Professor said:
Cain could definitely diet and cut weight to 205 lbs. But it would make no sense since he would lose much of the cardio and wrestling advantages compared to the top fighters at LHW.
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It would make no sense because he's HW fucking world champ.

I don't really think he would be any less of a wrecking machine at LHW.
 
Whoever compared the best fighter currently on earth to a pussy ass little actor needs their head chopped off.

Jesus fucking Christ! the epitome of the gamma male is the screen actor. They are shit of of the human race who would have no place in society if we didnt live in a world with oversized government outside the laws of natural selction adn survival of the fittest.

And I think Mcconaughy is one of the best actors in his field. But it does not change the fact he is a bitch who plays pretend for a living.
 
Cain could never make 185. 205 is definetly possible but he has no need to do it. He can eat whatever he wants at hw, still be a beasy and alot of people already think he would wreck everyone at 205 either way.
 
Polish Punisher said:
Whoever compared the best fighter currently on earth to a pussy ass little actor needs their head chopped off.

Jesus fucking Christ! the epitome of the gamma male is the screen actor. They are shit of of the human race who would have no place in society if we didnt live in a world with oversized government outside the laws of natural selction adn survival of the fittest.

And I think Mcconaughy is one of the best actors in his field. But it does not change the fact he is a bitch who plays pretend for a living.
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What the hell is a gama male?
 
Kaiserjuan said:
GSP is skinny? what the hell are you talking about? he's ripped and muscular way above average even though he doesn't look like Overroid.

Cain is big for sure, but he's a small HW for f...k's sake. Is it that hard to see? He could maked LHW for sure and be perfectly healthy. Not saying he should, never said it. Thread was derailed!
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GSP has skinny or very lean muscle mass compared to someone like Fedor in his prime. Yes.

But some say they are basically the same size if only Fedor ripped down and lost the fat.

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And that is because they ignore the mass or bulk of the muscles below the layer of fat and assume all non ripped muscle mass is just fat.

I am sure if Cain really tried ad wanted to loss some muscle mass he could make 205lbs but it would not be easy for him and he would have to transform his body.
 
TheLuckiest said:
That is Brian Shaw, World's Strongest Man representing America.

He is 400lbs.

I understand technique matters, but he is at least twice as strong and I mean literally, not figuratively. I am fairly certain he could just power his way out of just about anything and crush a mans skull with his hands.
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What a dumb notion, Werdum rips his arm off and then beat him with it while he bleed to death, EASILY.
No matter how big, you're not getting out of an armbar of a guy the size of Werdum, Royce subbed guys twice as strong than him on a regular basis.
Or he could just punch him on the face and KO him, that guy is not swinging a punch without any fighter on the UFC seeing it from a mile away.
 
mnemosynesson said:
Cain is listed at 6'1, Anderson is listed at 6'2.

Maybe the UFC should start having height divisions instead of weight divisions. Above 6'3, 6'-6'3, 5'9-6', etc. This would also have the benefit of getting rid of weight cuts. And it would be a lot harder for us to talk shit about Jones having a height and reach advantage over everyone he fought. We'd get to listen to Goldie say "everything else is virtually identical" more often, and I wouldn't have to post in a thread about whether or not the HW champ can make MW if he sheds fat.
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I've always wanted to see George Roop vs. Cain
 
Seriously though, I do think Cain could make 205 but he'd probably perform terribly.

185 is a joke.
 
http://www.alternativenation.net/cain-velasquez-brock-lesnar-werdum-cormier-jones/

Link to Cain's interview where he actually states he's an undersized HW. For those who thought I was talking nonsense....

"Do you think the weight gap in the heavyweight division from 206 to 265 is too big of a gap, and it puts you at any sort of disadvantage?

No, with college wrestling, the weight limit is 190 something, then it goes all the way up to 285. I think I
 
Before Cain, MMA was ruled by a man 15lbs lighter, an inch shorter and with a good few inch less reach less than the main man now.

If build and reach height were so important Overeem and Struve wouldnt be a lower level fight than Hunt vs Nelson was.

Maybe is he had a body as good as Sexyreem or that Squid like unfair reach that colossus Jon Jones uses to eye poke smaller men to death.

What about this, if someone is the greatest Hw in the world he is doing things allright, his cardio is his biggest weapon and that is one thing that takes a hit cutting weight.
 
Cain does not have a small frame he's fat but he doesn't have a small frame
 
Aaron Rosa was 260 lbs and way bigger than Cain and went down to 205 with no problem at all.

Kenny went from MW to FW which is 10000 times harder than it would be for Cain to drop down to MW.He dindn't even look chubby at MW like Cain does at HW.

I assume everyone that says it's impossible in here are midgets.

When you're above 6ft you can easily be around 170-250 lbs.170 you're ripped and skinny and 250 you're probably a bit chubby like Cain is,unless you're a bodybilder.

I think anyone that has trained can see that Cain's problem comes from the food.And by avoiding all that crap he could easily be 205 or 185.

Fat guys have crazy large frames and when they lose weight their frame becomes much smaller too.It's not really hard to understand.
Some people in here think that once you have a big frame frame,you can't change it.

The hard part would be for someone like Yoel Romero wanting to go to 155 or 170.A chubby guy like Cain weighting 240 lbs losing some fat by eating right could drop to 205 easy.

Cormier did it and he said he still eats fast food almost everyday when he hasn't got a fight scheduled.If he would leave crap food and diet he could make 185 without even looking ripped.
 
FenoxSky said:
What a dumb notion, Werdum rips his arm off and then beat him with it while he bleed to death, EASILY.
No matter how big, you're not getting out of an armbar of a guy the size of Werdum, Royce subbed guys twice as strong than him on a regular basis.
Or he could just punch him on the face and KO him, that guy is not swinging a punch without any fighter on the UFC seeing it from a mile away.
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Yup. Mariusz PUdzianowski was submitted by McCorcle (spelling I know) by Kimura I think. ANd Mariusz is a bit strong I think ;)
 
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