Cain Velasquez body frame...what if

I have no doubts he could make 205, but why would he want to do that? Maybe if he was in JDS' position it would make sense for him.
 
Cain has very powerful hands. People who think otherwise haven't seen him fight.
 
bjjwar said:
He could easily make MW.He's not a big guy.Most LHW's are bigger than him and weight around 250-260 when they don't have a fight scheduled.Cain is 240 and chubby.Lose the fat and he could make 185.

I'm 6ft3 and around 230 lbs.When i don't train and eat crap i get a little chubby and my weight goes up to 250-260.

And i could easily drop back very quickly under 200 if i wanted to.

I don't think people in here understand how easy you can drop weight when you carry body fat.

We're not talking about Geroge Roop cutting to 125.We're talking about a guy smaller than Roop and fat having to cut 40-50 lbs of body fat and the rest by dehydrating.

Look at Cormier,he was around 240 and still looks chubby at LHW and could EASILY make MW without even looking ripped and dieting too hard.
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Cormier could NOT make 185 and be healthy. He does not eat any fast food to cut down to 205, it's not easy for him he's stated that himself. Some people just can't cut weight well. I know a fat dude, he diets VERY strictly, does cardio and barely sheds any weight, now I don't do AS much cardio as him, I don't diet as hard as him, I'm taller/wider/more naturally muscular and I shed far more weight than him. I could cut down to say 165 and maybe shed another 5 with some discomfort, the other dude would STRUGGLE to get down to 180.
 
Erwin said:
JDS looks huge yet is only in the 230s. Dunno what's up with that.


Cain has one of the grossest bodies in MMA. I just looks gross, dunno what's up with that.
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part of the confusion with JDS looking huge, yet always weighing in around 235lbs, is because even if a lot of other HWs can carry a similar amount of muscle, they also have a high body fat %.

With JDS, not so much. He is in pretty good shape most of the time. Also, his billed height is wrong. He is 6'3 at max. Look at him next to Cain. Werdum was taller than him when they fought (for that fight, JDS was billed at 6'3, then afterwards always at 6'4).
 
he could make 205 with a struggle, but not MW. Has a stocky build, heavy for his height. Hard to be ripped with that frame, more like a leaner version.

Cain has good speed, would be fairly fast at 205 as well, and the style he uses with his cardio is tough to handle for anyone, you'd need prime Machida/Gus type TDD and especially circling to outpoint him. Gus would match up better with Cain if he was shorter, while Lyoto's height and movement is more suited (Weidman's length helped him cut off the cage).

Cain would beat Weidman by being a stronger version of him with better cardio. They both are only effective moving forward, that's their main style, and the stronger one gets those takedowns, wins the clinch battle and thus is able to control the center and win the striking.
 
bjjwar said:
He could easily make MW.He's not a big guy.Most LHW's are bigger than him and weight around 250-260 when they don't have a fight scheduled.Cain is 240 and chubby.Lose the fat and he could make 185.

I'm 6ft3 and around 230 lbs.When i don't train and eat crap i get a little chubby and my weight goes up to 250-260.

And i could easily drop back very quickly under 200 if i wanted to.

I don't think people in here understand how easy you can drop weight when you carry body fat.

We're not talking about Geroge Roop cutting to 125.We're talking about a guy smaller than Roop and fat having to cut 40-50 lbs of body fat and the rest by dehydrating.

Look at Cormier,he was around 240 and still looks chubby at LHW and could EASILY make MW without even looking ripped and dieting too hard.
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except he is a big guy.

The problem is that guys like you think the only functional muscle is ripped muscle.

You do not understand that guys can have massive bulky muscles under layers of fat.

So you assume guys like this Paul Anderson

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Are just chubby and can rip down to MW and you are wrong.

Cain has massive block chest and legs and neck and core muscles even though they are covered with chub.
 
RalphFurley said:
except he is a big guy.

The problem is that guys like you think the only functional muscle is ripped muscle.

You do not understand that guys can have massive bulky muscles under layers of fat.

So you assume guys like this Paul Anderson

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Are just chubby and can rip down to MW and you are wrong.

Cain has massive block chest and legs and neck and core muscles even though they are covered with chub.
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What i'm saying is that guys like the one you're showing could easily lose some fat and drop a great amount of weight.
Just like Cormier did very easily and still could go under LHW very easily again.

With all that amount of fat you can lose weight easily.A guy like Junior on the other hand,not so quickly.But he could do it also by losing some muscle mass.

You can take anyone for example.Anderson was at 170 back in the days and he walks around 220 chubby.If you see footage of him training with Dos Santos,you wouldn't think one of them is a big HW and the other guy is a MW.It's not that hard for big guys to play around with their weight.

Some LW's walk around at 190 and cut to 155.This is 1000 times harder than for someone like Cain to drop 40-50 lbs and cut the rest.
 
If someone makes a statement you just take it to the extreme and get ppl wrong.
Cain is a HW and is probably, with Fedor, the best we've seen in MMA history. That's the fact and no one wants to debate it here.
Now what I'm saying is that he's not a natural HW if you just look at his frame, he is a natural HW if you consider the extra fat he carries, which may be very well be consitutional. If the man dropped weight, mots of it being just extra fat, he could easily make weight for 205, he could even (maybe) push it to 185 whilst still being competitive.
Do you really think he would look that huge next to guys like Glover, AJ, Bader, Manuwa and so on? These are some freakin big dudes
 
Why would he ever want to cut to 205 or 185 when he's successful where he's at?
 
Cain could definitely make LHW for sure as he has a lot of fat on him. Jones would own him though so he had better not do that.
 
He has a big frame and just has a typical in-shape endomorph body. Similar to what Fedor had going on. Doesnt prevent him winning and dominating men who, to American men it seems, LOOK more intimidating.

If you could give me the choice between Cain's body with his ability & record or say, Todd Duffee's body, ability and record.....I know which I would rather have.

Muscle-Fat for the WIN.
 
Cain is like Fedor. Both hit hard, keep going and dont stop. Many HW fighters cant keep that pace for long
 
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