Broken legs on the card

[volcom5]

Because the injury occurred during the time of employment at the UFC, but the disability is lifelong.

Stephan Bonnar's traumatic brain injury didn't stop happening after the TUF 1 finale. Mark Coleman's hips didn't need to be replaced immediately after UFC 10.

Really fucking surprised how much pushback I'm getting on this.

Should there be health insurance for these fighters, for sure! there is no pushback against that. The pushback is that these fighters are grown ass adults who could’ve chose another but chose fighting as a career knowing full well the consequences that come with it. I’m sure in time the UFC will figure it out, but it’s still a young sport. A lot of people don’t know this but Spencer Fisher was for the UFC, getting a pension 5g a month and was sent to a neurologist paid for by the UFC, until Endevour WME bought it out and stopped it.

 

[Draxton]

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For the person above that was questioning the research. Below is what the other three major organizations offer, with options for continuation after retirement.

The UFC treats its fighters as independent contractors, which is basically telling them to go fuck themselves for their chronic injuries after they're done actively fighting. That's how the chronic disability and bankruptcy happen.

When a company has a monopoly, there is nothing outside of anti-trust federal regulation to stop it from doing whatever the hell it wants to its employees.
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Are you really using Google ai overview as your source of information?? Click the link for the source and the article directly outlines how the UFC provides insurance to its fighters.

 

[Darragh]

Should there be health insurance for these fighters, for sure! there is no pushback against that. The pushback is that these fighters are grown ass adults who could’ve chose another but chose fighting as a career knowing full well the consequences that come with it. I’m sure in time the UFC will figure it out, but it’s still a young sport. A lot of people don’t know this but Spencer Fisher was for the UFC, getting a pension 5g a month and was sent to a neurologist paid for by the UFC, until Endevour WME bought it out and stopped it.

An oil rig worker who get their hands blown off in an explosion knows they are risking severe injury when they sign up, but the company that hires them has to offer health insurance because if they don't, other oil companies will hire the worker away.

This doesn't really exist in the UFC, as was shown by the recent $500 million dollar anti-trust lawsuit they lost. They have a monopoly. Being a full time fighter in the United States and having a livable wage with any organization other than the UFC is not an option for the vast majority of fighters, so the UFC can dictate unfair terms of employment.

And I think there should be something said for a corporation taking advantage of the poor and uneducated. Most of these guys are just kids, many of whom didn't get formal education and some of whom grew up on the streets. They think they're going to live forever. They're not thinking what are my health insurance options after retirement. They're just desperate to get in because the UFC has such a monopoly.

What the UFC is doing may be legal, but it is still unethical.

 

[Darragh]

Are you really using Google ai overview as your source of information?? Click the link for the source and the article directly outlines how the UFC provides insurance to its fighters.

Google AI accurately summarized the referenced links.

I'm guessing you commented without reading any of the discussion in this thread including where I responded to this point extensively. From the linked article:

Thus, the controversy the UFC has been dodging for years is healthcare for fighters. Unlike most professional sports, the UFC does not provide healthcare for fighters. For instance, the National Football League (NFL) offers a variety of health benefits for their athletes including high-quality medical insurance, critical illness insurance, accident insurance and dental insurance. So, it’s no surprise the UFC has been getting backlash about healthcare for their fighters when other big sports organizations have all these benefits.

The reason that UFC fighters don’t have healthcare is because they are signed to the UFC as an independent contractor rather than an employee. This allows the UFC to take away benefits like health care and retirement benefits under state and federal law.

Come on man. Follow your own advice.

How are you guys defending a massive corporation over individual fighters? Are these all of Anik's alt accounts?

 

[Darragh]

Fuck, you just gone and done it now.
It’s cursed

I mean, iphones are made by slave labor but I still have one. It's not going to stop me from watching the fights, but it always leaves a bitter taste in my mouth when I see a bad injury and realize that the fighter is pretty much screwed for life once they stop fighting.

It's a free country, sure. But that doesn't mean corporations and sports organizations are exempt from ethical employment practices. But they won't until they're forced.

You know what the UFC will say when the issue finally gets headlines that they can't squash? Dana White: "Oh great, if we provide health insurance to the fighters then the pay-per-views will cost $200 a card!"

ie. he'll just co-opt the generic discussion that comes out whenever people bring up the raising the minimum wage, or anything to do with workers' rights. The real answer is it will cut into their profits, and if they choose to recompensate that loss by reducing payouts or increasing payperview costs that's their choice. The PFL has already shown that a more ethical business model with larger fighter payouts can still be profitable and competitive. This is just the UFC being shitty.

But the UFC will run PR campaign to pit fans against fighters -- just like they do whenever a fighter develops business sense. Then the fighters that speak out will be afraid lose their fanbase and advertising deals, and not form a union. The ones without large fanbases or advertising deals (ie. minor and retired fighters) will continue on, but public support will wane without major fighters behind the movement. It would have to be someone with Conor McGregor type popularity at the height of their fame to even get the UFC to budge a little.

The reason the UFC's gameplan on this is so clear is because those are the exact cards the NFL, NHL, MLB and NBA played to delay the inevitable before they each were forced to finally take care of their athletes. The UFC won't shirk tradition.

 

[Hog-train]

UFC has health insurance. Close the thread.

The only sport that has health insurance for a lifetime is the MLB.

NFL only has health insurance for 5yrs after they retire, after that you’re fucked unless you saved your money.

Military you have health insurance but you have a certain amount of service.

You need to research here believing every sport offers insurance for their players after they retire, because most don’t.

NBA has lifetime health insurance if you play 10 years.

 

[Objectively Correct]

I mean, iphones are made by slave labor but I still have one. It's not going to stop me from watching the fights, but it always leaves a bitter taste in my mouth when I see a bad injury and realize that the fighter is pretty much screwed for life once they stop fighting.

It's a free country, sure. But that doesn't mean corporations and sports organizations are exempt from ethical employment practices. But they won't until they're forced.

You know what the UFC will say when the issue finally gets headlines that they can't squash? Dana White: "Oh great, if we provide health insurance to the fighters then the pay-per-views will cost $200 a card!"

ie. he'll just co-opt the generic discussion that comes out whenever people bring up the raising the minimum wage, or anything to do with workers' rights. The real answer is it will cut into their profits, and if they choose to recompensate that loss by reducing payouts or increasing payperview costs that's their choice. The PFL has already shown that a more ethical business model with larger fighter payouts can still be profitable and competitive. This is just the UFC being shitty.

But the UFC will run PR campaign to pit fans against fighters -- just like they do whenever a fighter develops business sense. Then the fighters that speak out will be afraid lose their fanbase and advertising deals, and not form a union. The ones without large fanbases or advertising deals (ie. minor and retired fighters) will continue on, but public support will wane without major fighters behind the movement. It would have to be someone with Conor McGregor type popularity at the height of their fame to even get the UFC to budge a little.

The reason the UFC's gameplan on this is so clear is because those are the exact cards the NFL, NHL, MLB and NBA played to delay the inevitable before they each were forced to finally take care of their athletes. The UFC won't shirk tradition.

Youre a good man, OP. But youre fighting a losing battle here. We're all dumb assholes here, your reasonable take wont get approval.

 

[Darragh]

Youre a good man, OP. But youre fighting a losing battle here. We're all dumb assholes here, your reasonable take wont get approval.

This is how Volkanovski must have felt after the fight when Cormier asked Ilia to trash talk him and amp up the rematch and Ilia was like, "Hug?"

Alright, I give up. It's not like winning over a few Sherdoggers is going to lead a 20 billion corporation to change.

The UFC is such an insanely well run organization from the Contender Series to the main events. I just wish they tweaked this one thing.

Happy Halloween my dudes