Brock Lesnar's record

He was a game fighter who fought many of the best of his day and beat some of them even though he was lacking years of training. If you think just being strong is all you need Pudzinsky should've been champ too.
He was also a great business man which is rare and misunderstood.
Only haters underestimate the guys he beat. They were absolutely legit wins.
I respect him a lot for what he did and he definitely elevated the sport's visibility.
 
Luthien said:
Remember now that he was a WWE wrestler and not a real MMA fighter pulling this off --
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People seem to forget that while being a specimen and great collegiate wrestler he was basically a sports entertainer for a long time and them came in and won the HW belt in a short span of time. He was not doing any real wrestling training or any striking training while in the WWE. He did far better than many decorated full time wrestlers or combat sports fighters did in the UFC with far less training.
 
Intermission said:
If you look at his performance against Cain, it was very lacking. Even his wrestling adapted for mma was shit. He took Cain down and couldn't keep him there beyond a few seconds
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He was also also sick i think his last few fights . Diviculitis (however you spell it) is seriously debilitating.
 
"Randy Couture(who was never big enough to be a heavyweight)"

Yeah, just the fucking Champion after beating the biggest guy for the title.

Lots of great HW champions were smaller guys, Fedor, Ali and Tyson in boxing were best when they were lighter.
 
treelo said:
So i remember Lesnar and thinking he looked mighty impressive when he was in the UFC, and was surprised to see he only had 5 wins against 3 losses, so i took a look at his record as i only remember his wins against Mir, Herring and Carwin

The guys resume in MMA is absolutely shite, yet some people still hold him as some mythical destroyer of men, 3 of his 5 wins were against Min-Soo Kim(who), Heath Herring and Randy Couture(who was never big enough to be a heavyweight)

And even the other 2 wins, Carwin and Mir...holy crap he didnt really beat anyone of any serious note looking back, i think rose tinted spectacles come out slightly when people talk about him
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What a low-info Sherdiot post.

The guy was fighting a former and interim champ Frank Mir in his second fight. There's no HW in modern history who's fought someone like Mir, Herring (Pride gatekeeper with wins over similarly big wrestlers Mark Kerr and Tom Erickson) and former LHW and HW champ Couture in their first 4 fights. Then throw in Carwin, Cain, super-roided Overeem and Mark Hunt, who ended Derrick Lewis' 9-win streak a year later.

Not a knock on Aspinall, but look how he started his career, which is much more common. Blindly saying someone is "only 5-3" without looking at their resume is low room temperature IQ garbage.

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LostMyBlackBelt said:
"Randy Couture(who was never big enough to be a heavyweight)"

Yeah, just the fucking Champion after beating the biggest guy for the title.

Lots of great HW champions were smaller guys, Fedor, Ali and Tyson in boxing were best when they were lighter.
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Couture had recently beaten 6'8" Tim Sylvia and Gonzaga, two 250+ pound full-sized HW before fighting Brock. The same Gonzaga who almost kicked Cro-Cop's head off....and this when people expected Mirko to run though the UFC HWs like melted butter.
 
mkt said:
What a low-info Sherdiot post.

The guy was fighting a former and interim champ Frank Mir in his second fight. There's no HW in modern history who's fought someone like Mir, Herring (Pride gatekeeper with wins over similarly big wrestlers Mark Kerr and Tom Erickson) and former LHW and HW champ Couture in their first 4 fights. Then throw in Carwin, Cain, super-roided Overeem and Mark Hunt, who ended Derrick Lewis' 9-win streak a year later.

Not a knock on Aspinall, but look how he started his career, which is much more common. Blindly saying someone is "only 5-3" without looking at their resume is low room temperature IQ garbage.
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There is no HW in recent history that would be allowed to fight like that, his name got him those fights not his ability to fight
 
treelo said:
There is no HW in recent history that would be allowed to fight like that, his name got him those fights not his ability to fight
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Which is irrelevant to your mind-blowingly stupid thread. Brock would likely go 10-0 against Aspinall's first 10 opponents, not 8-2 like Tom did.
 
mkt said:
Which is irrelevant to your mind-blowingly stupid thread. Brock would likely go 10-0 against Aspinall's first 10 opponents, not 8-2 like Tom did.
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i have no idea why you are bringing Aspinall into this discussion, its odd
 
Solid ignoring all context.

Dude literally decided in his early 30s to stop making millions rasslin, and give MMA a try. Then he came in, and was able to not only compete, but win a title.

I've never seen anyone suggest he was HW GOAT, only that he has remarkable athleticism and determination, esp for a person his size.
 
Clark Rogers said:
Solid ignoring all context.

Dude literally decided in his early 30s to stop making millions rasslin, and give MMA a try. Then he came in, and was able to not only compete, but win a title.

I've never seen anyone suggest he was HW GOAT, only that he has remarkable athleticism and determination, esp for a person his size.
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Yes, and the hanging question for Brock's career has always been, what could he have achieved had he started MMA a decade earlier? because he achieved so much still starting the sport so late.

For context, imagine someone starting their first swim meet at 30 and then ending up winning the gold medal?
 
Söze Aldo said:
Yes, and the hanging question for Brock's career has always been, what could he have achieved had he started MMA a decade earlier? because he achieved so much still starting the sport so late.

For context, imagine someone starting their first swim meet at 30 and then ending up winning the gold medal?
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Same with his shot at the NFL. He almost made a team a decade plus after not playing football since high school.

Dude was/is a freak athlete, and it's all those contextual pieces that really inform the bigger picture.
 
Clark Rogers said:
Solid ignoring all context.

Dude literally decided in his early 30s to stop making millions rasslin, and give MMA a try. Then he came in, and was able to not only compete, but win a title.

I've never seen anyone suggest he was HW GOAT, only that he has remarkable athleticism and determination, esp for a person his size.
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Well it wasnt quite like that, but still remarkable nontheless.

He went to WWE instead of the olympics to start makin money. Was pushed to champion status right away. Record time.

Was never a wrestling fan growing up and the road schedule wore on him. Decided to walk away out of his contract, but WWE stopped him from being able to wrestle anywhere else. Tried out for the NFL but it didnt work out.


It was only then that he went to MMA, but its still incredible that he chose that, went in there and pulled it off.

Then he went back to WWE an even bigger star then he was when he left and also only has to wrestle when he feels like it !

What a life!
 
LostMyBlackBelt said:
Not really, lots of UFC fans think Aspinall is a great modern heavyweight. That he is the measuring stick.
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no, he brought Aspinall into the argument to try and solidify his point, the fact Aspinall wasnt a major major WWF star is why he wouldnt fight the likes of the guys Cain did, its a very very odd comparison, Aspinall is some guy from the UK who couldnt get fights...anyway, its being sidetracked this

i was merely trying to point out, having 8 MMA fights and winning 5 of them, and people hold in him in some god like status...is odd, but the people defending it are probably the same who think he was a worldie
 
HHJ said:
Well it wasnt quite like that, but still remarkable nontheless.

He went to WWE instead of the olympics to start makin money. Was pushed to champion status right away. Record time.

Was never a wrestling fan growing up and the road schedule wore on him. Decided to walk away out of his contract, but WWE stopped him from being able to wrestle anywhere else. Tried out for the NFL but it didnt work out.


It was only then that he went to MMA, but its still incredible that he chose that, went in there and pulled it off.

Then he went back to WWE an even bigger star then he was when he left and also only has to wrestle when he feels like it !

What a life!
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So you're saying he could've kept making millions rasslin but chose not to, and ultimately chose to go to MMA...

That sounds exactly "like that" my man, even if I did initially leave out the NFL attempt.

All that aside I've always felt like that NFL attempt, even though it ultimately failed, was just as impressive as his move to MMA. NOBODY doesn't play for 10+ years, after only playing at the high school level, and manages to get near a roster, much less make it into a couple preseason games. On top of being a genetic freak he's crazy versatile.
 
Doctor Grudge said:
Randy Courture was way past his prime and hadn't fought in years. He was not #2 at all nor was he the best HW at that time in the UFC.

You're literally only saying that because Randy happened to have the (disputed) title.
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There was no dispute on who the Champion was: Timmeh was the top UFC HW and Couture handled him.

"hadn't fought in years". He fought MBP in August 2007 and lost the title to Brock in November 2008.

Here he is on Sherdog's top 10 ranked at number 2.

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He was a good fighter in a very poor heavyweight division.
 
He record is pretty fecking good for guy that just decided to do MMA one day when he was bored and jump into UFC against killers with little training. People down playing what brock did have no fecking clue at all.
 
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