Brock Lesnar on Ronda Rousey: A super athlete in a Weak Division
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I would say she does that cus her only shot of winning an MMA fight was to go in taking shots to get in the clinch. Nick Diaz takes shots all day. His plan is to take shots while giving them and hoping to get a tko. Its not realy smart fighting but it works with how they like to win. Her boxing is not good though. Her competition has better boxing but even Mayweather would slow dance with her. Cant slow dance in MMA.
I would like to see Rousey vs Davis 2. I know she dont deserve it but thats the most interesting.
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Whether 3rd or 4th, she did dam well. Also, I couldn't find anything saying she didn't place in the Olympics or that she got a bronze medal for placing 4th.
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Don't listen to all the wannabee Judo experts who don't know shit about judo -- like Bowerman for instance, LOL.
There's no such thing as 4th place in judo (or wrestling).
3rd place is awarded to 2 people and both are totally equal.
Ronda actually had a better win/loss record than the other bronze medalist.
Ronda's 2008 Olympic record: 5 wins and 1 loss.
Edith Bosch's 2008 Olympic record: 4 wins and 1 loss.
People get confused though, cuz Ronda lost to Edith Bosch before the medals round (and had to win her way back to the medal round).
Judo is not a 'single' elimination tournament (same as wrestling or hockey).
If you lose to a semi finalist before the medals round, you're not eliminated and are given a chance to put yourself back into the medals round.
Same for wrestling.
It's similar for hockey too.
The Canadian Gold Medal team for Hockey lost early in the tournament but they were still allowed to compete and wound up getting the gold medal. It doesn't mean their Gold medal is fake. Those are the rules.
In Judo, if you lose you can't compete for a gold medal but only a bronze medal.
And for those morons who think that Edith Bosch was simply superior to Ronda -- they both have wins over each other. In 2007 Ronda threw Edith Bosch for Ippon at the world championships and knocked her out of that tournament.
I just wanted to clarify for all the noobs who don't know how it works.
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In fairness to Ronda, Brock was also a super athlete in a weak division.
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Don't listen to all the wannabee Judo experts who don't know shit about judo -- like Bowerman for instance, LOL.
There's no such thing as 4th place in judo (or wrestling).
3rd place is awarded to 2 people and both are totally equal.
Ronda actually had a better win/loss record than the other bronze medalist.
Ronda's 2008 Olympic record: 5 wins and 1 loss.
Edith Bosch's 2008 Olympic record: 4 wins and 1 loss.
People get confused though, cuz Ronda lost to Edith Bosch before the medals round (and had to win her way back to the medal round).
Judo is not a 'single' elimination tournament (same as wrestling or hockey).
If you lose to a semi finalist before the medals round, you're not eliminated and are given a chance to put yourself back into the medals round.
Same for wrestling.
It's similar for hockey too.
The Canadian Gold Medal team for Hockey lost early in the tournament but they were still allowed to compete and wound up getting the gold medal. It doesn't mean their Gold medal is fake. Those are the rules.
In Judo, if you lose you can't compete for a gold medal but only a bronze medal.
And for those morons who think that Edith Bosch was simply superior to Ronda -- they both have wins over each other. In 2007 Ronda threw Edith Bosch for Ippon at the world championships and knocked her out of that tournament.
I just wanted to clarify for all the noobs who don't know how it works.
You make too much sense, spoonfeeding basic knowlegde to notorious haters and ignorants is like trying to teach a monkey to read the Bible though...
Rousey was definitely very good on the ground. The only woman in her weight division better than her in ne-waza was Ueno - and Ueno was the dominant kind of champion (two times Olympic gold, two world champion gold) that's simply better than everyone in her division in every aspect.
However, the real difference between Rousey and the others is that women's judo has been an Olympic sport for 20 years, and it has a lot of depth and world class athletes. Women's wrestling has been an Olympic sport half as long, and has much less depth. And other women's combat sports are even less developed.
Whereas there are a lot of combat sports for men with world class athletes and as deep (or deeper in the case of wrestling) competition. A male Olympic judo medalist isn't going to have a skill, athleticism, or determination advantage over elite males from other disciplines.
Woman's MMA is where men's was in the 90's. It'll catch up, to the point where every top woman will be competitive and will have cross trained extensively since childhood. But its not there yet.
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Brock is correct.
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Wonder what the gold medal is doing now vs what Ronda is...
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Right because there was so much competition in Anderson, GSP, Fedor, and the aging Jon Jones LHW division that all those guys went undefeated for YEARS, just like Ronda is now. There has always been a super athlete in each division that is a level above their competition and it's no different with Ronda. There have been countless threads on how all the above people fought cans or were dominant in weak divisions.
Sure in 5-10 years all MMA athletes will be better but if history teaches us anything there will always be one that is a level above their counterparts. It's called being the best.
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Could you imagine if Serena Williams beat someone who started Tennis at age 28 and then everyone called her the goat?
Bethe started MMA at at age 28 and she was an accountant before that....what a joke. Ronda's competition is trash so far.
Bethe started MMA at at age 28 and she was an accountant before that....what a joke. Ronda's competition is trash so far.
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Yea and Rich Franklin was a school teacher and Anderson shitted on him twice and took his belt. Know your history son.
And singling out Bethe is like singling out Choi for Fedor. Everyone is going to have some cans mixed in.
Zingano, Meisha, McMann, Davis and Kaufman have combined records of 68-18. If you take Ronda out of the division it's ultra competitive with Nunes and Holms thrown in as well.
There were tons of threads that thought Zingano was going to beat Rousey, same with McMann who was a Silver medalist. Everyone was touting how strong they were. Now that Ronda ran through them they are "cans". It's Normal
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Gold medal is retired - (double gold medal and double world champion as well actually) in Japan, and apparently doing very well financially because of r her judo success. Judo pays better in Japan than in America, especially being a dominant champ.
Interestingly enough, like Rousey, she comes from a very judo oriented family - her sisters have major judo victories as well, including a world championship.
Look, Rousey was very, very good at judo (bronze in Olympics, silver in world championships make that obvious). But Ueno was a dominant champ, better than everyone in the division both on the ground and standing. However she's ten years older than Rousey, and she's not coming back to any form of serious combat sport.
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Can you imagine if Fedor beat a 27 year old former Folk Wrestler who has a 2-4 MMA record and people called him the GOAT?
Oh wait...
Can you imagine if Anderson Silva demolished a 30 year old former school teacher to win the belt and people called him the GOAT?
Oh wait...
See, I can do that too.
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Zingano, Meisha, McMann, Davis and Kaufman have combined records of 68-18. If you take Ronda out of the division it's ultra competitive with Nunes and Holms thrown in as well.
And overall she has fought the best competition available to her at the time, just like everyone else. And her competition is far better than Cyborgs:
Total win/loss(win percentage) for Cyborg's opponents: 124-44(.738)
Total win/loss(win percentage) for Jon Jones' first 12 opponents: 77-22(.778)
Total win/loss(win percentage) for Rousey's 12 opponents: 102-17(.857)
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In b4 LouisBolanos and Bowerman start a brand new 'crap on Ronda' campaign. :icon_chee
Dudes, she's legit.
Judo Newaza is two thirds of MMA you fucktards.
MMA is striking, wrestling and BJJ.
Another way to say it: MMA is stand up, TD's/clinching, ground submissions.
Traditional Judo & Newaza represents two thirds of those skillsets so Ronda was NEVER one dimensional. She was always 2 dimensional, even on her first day in MMA.
Traditional Judo & Newaza covers TD's, clinches and ground game, plus slick transitions which aren't seen in BJJ cuz in Judo they must submit fast or get stood up.
BJJ players are like slow moving sloths compared to Newaza players.
Newaza > BJJ
BJJ'ers are slow sloths.
Dudes, she's legit.
Judo Newaza is two thirds of MMA you fucktards.
MMA is striking, wrestling and BJJ.
Another way to say it: MMA is stand up, TD's/clinching, ground submissions.
Traditional Judo & Newaza represents two thirds of those skillsets so Ronda was NEVER one dimensional. She was always 2 dimensional, even on her first day in MMA.
Traditional Judo & Newaza covers TD's, clinches and ground game, plus slick transitions which aren't seen in BJJ cuz in Judo they must submit fast or get stood up.
BJJ players are like slow moving sloths compared to Newaza players.
Newaza > BJJ
BJJ'ers are slow sloths.
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