Brock Lesnar NFL Highlights; "A-Level Athlete"?

[War Pig]

I do. Have you ever heard of the NFL combine?

Yes I have heard of the combine and that's why I said Brock isn't a freak athlete. Some examples of freak athletes would be Bo Jackson, Dontari Poe (6'3" 346lbs 4.98 forty), Von Miller and Vernon Davis. Brock would have been a top shelf athlete in the NFL but not considered a freak athlete.

 

[kflo]

Yes I have heard of the combine and that's why I said Brock isn't a freak athlete. Some examples of freak athletes would be Bo Jackson, Dontari Poe (6'3" 346lbs 4.98 forty), Von Miller and Vernon Davis. Brock would have been a top shelf athlete in the NFL but not considered a freak athlete.

His reported combine numbers are elite.

How valid they are is another story but as reported is close to freak level.

 

[TheRassler]

To be fair, you can win in MMA with just wrestling and Brock has some of the best wrestling credentials of anyone.

MMA = the real Pro Wrestling

 

[FedorRoks]

What I didn't realize was that Brock got hurt between the time he did the combine and the time the Vikings signed him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar#Football_career

Lesnar had a great showing at the NFL Combine. On April 17, 2004, a minivan collided with his motorbike; he suffered a broken jaw and left hand, a bruised pelvis, and a pulled groin. Several NFL teams expressed interest in watching Lesnar work out. The Minnesota Vikings worked out Lesnar on June 11, 2004 but he was hampered by the groin injury suffered in the April motorcycle accident. On July 24 it was reported that he was nearly recovered from his groin injury. He signed with the Vikings on July 27 and played in several preseason games for the team

This likely hampered his performance.

The difference between someone like Neal and Brock is that Brock didn't need the NFL. Neal probably did, in terms of making major money in his life.

Brock just had come off wrestling at WrestleMania before he went to the NFL combine. He did the NFL thing for like 6 months. And then he was back wrestling in Japan in 2005 (my guess is he was either still getting WWE money in 2004 or else he had a non-compete clause in his WWE deal that prevented him from working in another wrestling company for some time after he left WWE).

(EDIT: Yes, confirmed he had a non-compete cause in his WWE contract. This means he could have been wrestling again [and making big money] even faster after the NFL stuff had this not been in his contract)

If Brock "needed" the NFL, I would imagine that he would have tried a lot harder to stick around. But he got hurt, it didn't work, and he probably figured he'd just go make a lot of money again somewhere else. Which is what he did and continues to do today. Neal is long since retired from the NFL.

Brock doesn't seem like a guy who is going to kick around for awhile on various practice squads or whatever as Neal apparently did.

 

[themainman]

A 7'7 who sucked and who is the other guy? The great rugby player that got relegated to special teams?

 

[DrHouse]

lol, there's not a single soccer player that could make a handegg team

You could take the best 11 players in the NFL and put them up against a Professional Academy 15 year old team and they wouldn't touch the ball.

 

[Anthony7]

Just because he sucks at football doesn't mean he isn't an amazing athlete.

Jesus.

 

[FedorRoks]

Two other things I wanted to say about this subject.

* Brock did the combine coming right off of WrestleMania and the WWE grind of touring. Many college football players these days will specifically do training so they can peak at the combine. Not only did Brock not do that, he was just coming off of the biggest WWE event of the year and he was probably worn out from the WWE (WWE touring is brutal, and one reason Brock wanted out of the company, I think). And he was older than the normal combine guy by several years, which may have helped him in terms of strength but may not have done him more favors in other ways (especially after being in the WWE and working that schedule for a few years).

* Also, lol at anyone who thinks Brock's combine numbers weren't elite. I read (not sure if true) that Brock ran like a 4.70 forty-yard dash at 285 pounds. That is fucking nuts, and a supremely elite figure given his size and projected position (defensive tackle).

If you want to understand how good Brock's speed was (and we're not even talking yet about his strength or jumping), go look at the defensive ends and defensive tackles listed here:

http://www.footballperspective.com/the-best-40-yard-dash-times-since-1999/

And check out the "actual 40" times listed there.

In particular, look at the "actual 40" time of freak athlete Mario Williams and then think about Brock Lesnar.

If you don't think Brock's combine numbers are elite, you just don't understand American football athletes and their physical abilities.

 

[mike sherry]

You could take the best 11 players in the NFL and put them up against a Professional Academy 15 year old team and they wouldn't touch the ball.

So it goes both ways. Why are you trying to compare the sports again? Because handegg is 1000x more extreme?

 

[DrHouse]

So it goes both ways. Why are you trying to compare the sports again? Because handegg is 1000x more extreme?

I'm just making a point about the sport.

 

[Gun'n'Run]

You can't play in the nfl or the nba just with great genetics and from a little training, that's mma

On the contrary... that's exactly what Lesnar did getting in the NFL whereas he had decades of martial arts experience to bring to the UFC

 

[mike sherry]

I'm just making a point about the sport.

And it comes off as weirdly insecure

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Yes I have heard of the combine and that's why I said Brock isn't a freak athlete. Some examples of freak athletes would be Bo Jackson, Dontari Poe (6'3" 346lbs 4.98 forty), Von Miller and Vernon Davis. Brock would have been a top shelf athlete in the NFL but not considered a freak athlete.

Er, OK, so you agree that he's elite then. The rest is splitting hairs.

 

[DrHouse]

And it comes off as weirdly insecure

And you're clearly projecting.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

This is why actual football (soccer to you 'Muricans) is superior as a sport to Handegg. There is not and has never been a man on this planet who could take 10 years away from Football and actually make a top flight teams practice squad. Let alone a guy like Stephen Neal, who didn't play for at least 4 years, then went on to win the highest prize in the sport.

There's no doubt that the talent pool is greater in soccer, but it doesn't make it a superior sport. The great strengths of soccer are its simplicity and almost complete lack of needed equipment. It makes it perfect for poor communities world wide. Add on to this the world's best sporting tournament, and you've really got something. American football has it's own strengths. It allows for much greater athletic specialization and can make use of a much wider variety of body types. It's a much more intricate sport and allows for a much more complex chess match between opposing coaches and players. It is more violent and dynamic.

Also, like the first time ever that one hears "handegg" they crack a smile. After that it comes off as a bit provincial.

 

[mike sherry]

And you're clearly projecting.

Lol, i'm not the one oblivious to the fact that handegg requires an extremely specific athletic skill set emphasizing size and strength in a way that limits the population way more than soccer

 

[themainman]

On the contrary... that's exactly what Lesnar did getting in the NFL whereas he had decades of martial arts experience to bring to the UFC

One discipline from 6+ years ago vs being a practice squad player that doesn't even receive the league minimum

 

[DrHouse]

Lol, i'm not the one oblivious to the fact that handegg requires an extremely specific athletic skill set emphasizing size and strength in a way that limits the population way more than soccer

LOL still projecting though.

 

[mike sherry]

LOL still projecting though.

Yeah, thats why I came into a handegg thread to enlighten the posters that soccer is the superior sport lmfao

 

[DrHouse]

There's no doubt that the talent pool is greater in soccer, but it doesn't make it a superior sport. The great strengths of soccer are its simplicity and almost complete lack of needed equipment. It makes it perfect for poor communities world wide. Add on to this the world's best sporting tournament, and you've really got something. American football has it's own strengths. It allows for much greater athletic specialization and can make use of a much wider variety of body types. It's a much more intricate sport and allows for a much more complex chess match between opposing coaches and players. It is more violent and dynamic.

Also, like the first time ever that one hears "handegg" they crack a smile. After that it comes off as a bit provincial.

I'm not arguing that football is a superior sport because of a greater talent pool, or that Handegg isn't a legitimate sport. I like them both, I would probably follow the NFL if it were more accessible for me. However guys like Brock and more importantly Stephen Neal, do make the sport slightly less legit as a purely sporting event over a purely athletic one. Again, not saying that Handegg is purely athletic, but sport is not just about raw athleticism.

Also, I call it Handegg because that's what it is, deal with it.

Yeah, thats why I came into a handegg thread to enlighten the posters that soccer is the superior sport lmfao

And still...