International Brexit Discussion v9: The Last Extension
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Eh? The British people didn’t vote for Boris it was a leadership vote.
Also your post is very snowflake. Boo boo British posters talking about American politics. Shame you don’t apply your own logic to yourself and other US based ones spamming Brexit threads thinking they know what they’re talking about, when in fact they haven’t got a clue.
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British people didn't vote for his party and for Brexit?
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They didn’t vote for Boris so your Trump reference is wrong.
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Meh. I don't agree.
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Fair enough you don’t have to agree but you can’t change the fact.
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Johnson has no plan, therefore he keeps increasing the stakes hoping the EU will lose its nerves first.
The problem I see is that this is a radical, if not extremist, government. Boris may not want No Deal, but his aides do. And he has no plan.
The problem I see is that this is a radical, if not extremist, government. Boris may not want No Deal, but his aides do. And he has no plan.
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He is a buffoon but not on the same level as Bush. And trump is just thick as fck. I don't like Boris but he will be far more effective than May was
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Ok, what precisely do you think he will achieve?
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The plan is a deal that the government can accept or no deal! That is a plan. If we leave with no deal then so be it. It will be tough for us and specifc european countries for a while, but life goes on
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LOL, he already is making demands and setting preconditions to even talk to EU leaders, knowing that nobody would agree to something like that. It's this deal or no deal, the EU has been united and consistent on this.
Achieving no deal is a UK-internal thing.
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lol and how do you work that out then? There is a lot of support for no deal from the public. Most that voted brexit seem to support it, as opposed to paying 40 billion and still being told what we can or can’t do.
The EU doesn’t want Britain to leave so will make it difficult. There’s likely to be a general election if we can’t get a deal that we are happy with. The opposition party over here are a shambles. And May was despised by pretty much everyone when she became leader. Boris will likely fair far better in an election
What could very well happen is we can’t re negotiate. We have a general election and the Tory’s get enough seats this time. We go no deal. Of course it hurts us more than Europe as a whole. But certain countries in Europe will be in a similar position to ourselves.
Personally I abstained from the vote. I don’t think it should have gone to a referendum. The ruling party panicked and got fcked in the arse. However, it’s done now and with all of the nonsense in the last 3 years from both sides, I’ll be happy when (if)we leave
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Here are some of the grand promises that Boris and friends have made under their Cakeism doctrine.
I would love to see him proving the "Remoaners" wrong by delivering on the pledges that was centralize to the Vote Leave campaign.
They initially said it would be so easy. The Vote Leave campaign and its supporters claimed that negotiating with the EU would result in the "easiest trade deal in human history." The vote would put the UK in "a free trade area stretching from Iceland to Turkey," said prominent Brexiteer Michael Gove -- now a senior member of the government.
Leaving the 28-nation bloc -- the largest free-trade area in the world -- would have "no downsides, only considerable upsides," former Brexit Secretary David Davis said. The future arrangements would bring the "exact same benefits" as Britain had as an EU member.
These claims were repeated ad nauseam. Leaving would be "quick and easy" because "the UK holds most of the cards in any negotiation," Conservative MP John Redwood said in 2016. Meanwhile, former London Mayor Boris Johnson and other Brexiteers assured the public that "there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market," if Britain voted to leave.
But even before the June 2016 referendum vote, the rhetoric was being picked apart. Johnson claimed -- in numerous editorials, speeches and interviews -- the weekly sum of £350 million ($456 million) paid to Europe could instead be used to finance Britain's beloved, but overstretched, National Health Service.
That figure was lampooned as "potentially misleading" by the nation's statistical body, as it did not take into account the rebate applied before Britain pays its contributions to the EU -- or other benefits it receives.
Fast forward to 2019, and the many promises are under even more scrutiny.
Estimates now suggest that the weekly cost of leaving the EU is more than double the £350 million famously emblazoned on the side of the Leave campaign's battle bus.
Bank of England economist Gertjan Vlieghesaid in a February speech that Brexit had cost £40 billion ($52 billion) a year since the 2016 vote -- a weekly loss of £800 million ($1 billion).
Other aspects of the Brexit campaign now ring hollow, with trade minister Liam Fox possibly regretting his prediction that a trade deal with the EU would be "one of the easiest in human history." Even supporters admit there will be at least short-term disruption, and claims of "sunlit uplands" have been replaced by assurances that Brexit "will not be the end of the world," as May said last August on a trade mission to Africa.
Brexiteers campaigned on the idea they could "take back control" of Britain's borders and immigration controls, and "make our own laws," while retaining all the economic benefits of the single market. "Our policy is having our cake and eating it," as Johnson declared. Exactly how this was possible remained unclear.
Among the many climbdowns was Britain's ability to strike free trade deals with any country of its choosing -- something it cannot do while still in the customs union.
Davis had claimed, for example, that it would take only two years for Britain to "negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU."
Not only would these "new trade agreements ... come into force at the point of exit from the EU, but they will be fully negotiated," he said in a 2016 Conservative Home piece.
That year, Brexiteer Liam Fox was tasked to do just that with the newly created title of international trade secretary. He promised that "one second after midnight in March 2019" the UK would have 40 trade deals in the bag.
But with the clock ticking toward that very midnight, local reports said he had signed post-Brexit trade agreements with six governments, among them Switzerland, the Faroe Islands, the Palestinian Authority and Chile.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/09/uk/brexit-promises-gbr-intl/index.html
I would love to see him proving the "Remoaners" wrong by delivering on the pledges that was centralize to the Vote Leave campaign.
Infamous Brexit promises haunt politicians
By Tara John, CNN
By Tara John, CNN
They initially said it would be so easy. The Vote Leave campaign and its supporters claimed that negotiating with the EU would result in the "easiest trade deal in human history." The vote would put the UK in "a free trade area stretching from Iceland to Turkey," said prominent Brexiteer Michael Gove -- now a senior member of the government.
Leaving the 28-nation bloc -- the largest free-trade area in the world -- would have "no downsides, only considerable upsides," former Brexit Secretary David Davis said. The future arrangements would bring the "exact same benefits" as Britain had as an EU member.
These claims were repeated ad nauseam. Leaving would be "quick and easy" because "the UK holds most of the cards in any negotiation," Conservative MP John Redwood said in 2016. Meanwhile, former London Mayor Boris Johnson and other Brexiteers assured the public that "there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market," if Britain voted to leave.
But even before the June 2016 referendum vote, the rhetoric was being picked apart. Johnson claimed -- in numerous editorials, speeches and interviews -- the weekly sum of £350 million ($456 million) paid to Europe could instead be used to finance Britain's beloved, but overstretched, National Health Service.
That figure was lampooned as "potentially misleading" by the nation's statistical body, as it did not take into account the rebate applied before Britain pays its contributions to the EU -- or other benefits it receives.
Fast forward to 2019, and the many promises are under even more scrutiny.
Estimates now suggest that the weekly cost of leaving the EU is more than double the £350 million famously emblazoned on the side of the Leave campaign's battle bus.
Bank of England economist Gertjan Vlieghesaid in a February speech that Brexit had cost £40 billion ($52 billion) a year since the 2016 vote -- a weekly loss of £800 million ($1 billion).
Other aspects of the Brexit campaign now ring hollow, with trade minister Liam Fox possibly regretting his prediction that a trade deal with the EU would be "one of the easiest in human history." Even supporters admit there will be at least short-term disruption, and claims of "sunlit uplands" have been replaced by assurances that Brexit "will not be the end of the world," as May said last August on a trade mission to Africa.
Brexiteers campaigned on the idea they could "take back control" of Britain's borders and immigration controls, and "make our own laws," while retaining all the economic benefits of the single market. "Our policy is having our cake and eating it," as Johnson declared. Exactly how this was possible remained unclear.
Among the many climbdowns was Britain's ability to strike free trade deals with any country of its choosing -- something it cannot do while still in the customs union.
Davis had claimed, for example, that it would take only two years for Britain to "negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU."
Not only would these "new trade agreements ... come into force at the point of exit from the EU, but they will be fully negotiated," he said in a 2016 Conservative Home piece.
That year, Brexiteer Liam Fox was tasked to do just that with the newly created title of international trade secretary. He promised that "one second after midnight in March 2019" the UK would have 40 trade deals in the bag.
But with the clock ticking toward that very midnight, local reports said he had signed post-Brexit trade agreements with six governments, among them Switzerland, the Faroe Islands, the Palestinian Authority and Chile.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/09/uk/brexit-promises-gbr-intl/index.html
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No he wont hes just promising shit he knows he cant deliver all while trting to force the worst parts of the brexit mistake possible on the masses who no longer want it
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If the will of the people was a no-deal Brexit a second referendum would still vote Brexit.
The fact is that roughly 25% voted for Brexit and out of that 25% most believed there would be no hard Brexit.
You guys know that a second referendum wont pass because Brexit is not in fact, "the will of the people".
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Yeah, but can you deliver the kimd of Brexit that you promised them, Boris?
Boris Johnson fundamentally ruled out a general election or second referendum as he promised once more to "deliver" upon Brexit.
The new Prime Minister, in his second full day in office, said he would "absolutely not" consider another major electoral event.
During a visit to Birmingham, he said: "The British people voted in 2015, in 2016, in 2017.
"What they want us to do is deliver on their mandate, come out of the EU on October 31."
Commenting on potential votes, he said: "They don't want another electoral event, they don't want a referendum, they don't want a general election.
"They want us to deliver."
His comments come after the Tory leader clashed with European figureheads, as he insisted the Irish backstop had to be abolished for a Brexit deal to pass Parliament.
In phone calls to high profile leaders French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, he set out that the only way to make progress on a deal is to "abolish the backstop".
France's Europe minister insisted there would be no changes to the withdrawal agreement.
This followed Mr Johnson making the call to axe the backstop in the Commons, during his first speech to the House as PM on Thursday.
On Wednesday, EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier branded his comments "combative" and labelled his stance "unacceptable".
European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker told Mr Johnson the current withdrawal agreement was the "only agreement possible".
Irish Tanaiste Simon Coveney accused the PM of having put the UK on a "collision course" with the EU.
This opposition from the EU to reopening the draft deal coupled with parliamentary resistance to a no-deal Brexit had fuelled speculation that Mr Johnson could go to the country in a bid to secure an outright majority in the Commons, speculation his latest comments appear to have quashed.
Mr Johnson refused to back down though, despite those setbacks, and doubled-down on his insistence the backstop be scrapped.
The backstop is an insurance policy contained within the draft EU withdrawal treaty which would have kept Northern Ireland in line with EU regulations to avoid extra checks at the Irish border.
It has been frequently criticised as a potential threat to the integrity of the UK, while it was a longstanding point of contention during Theresa May's premiership.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...ndum-as-he-says-the-people-want-a4199401.html
Boris Johnson 'absolutely' rules out an election or a second referendum as he says 'the people want Brexit'
By JACOB JARVIS |July 26, 2019
By JACOB JARVIS |July 26, 2019
Boris Johnson fundamentally ruled out a general election or second referendum as he promised once more to "deliver" upon Brexit.
The new Prime Minister, in his second full day in office, said he would "absolutely not" consider another major electoral event.
During a visit to Birmingham, he said: "The British people voted in 2015, in 2016, in 2017.
"What they want us to do is deliver on their mandate, come out of the EU on October 31."
Commenting on potential votes, he said: "They don't want another electoral event, they don't want a referendum, they don't want a general election.
"They want us to deliver."
His comments come after the Tory leader clashed with European figureheads, as he insisted the Irish backstop had to be abolished for a Brexit deal to pass Parliament.
In phone calls to high profile leaders French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, he set out that the only way to make progress on a deal is to "abolish the backstop".
France's Europe minister insisted there would be no changes to the withdrawal agreement.
This followed Mr Johnson making the call to axe the backstop in the Commons, during his first speech to the House as PM on Thursday.
On Wednesday, EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier branded his comments "combative" and labelled his stance "unacceptable".
European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker told Mr Johnson the current withdrawal agreement was the "only agreement possible".
Irish Tanaiste Simon Coveney accused the PM of having put the UK on a "collision course" with the EU.
This opposition from the EU to reopening the draft deal coupled with parliamentary resistance to a no-deal Brexit had fuelled speculation that Mr Johnson could go to the country in a bid to secure an outright majority in the Commons, speculation his latest comments appear to have quashed.
Mr Johnson refused to back down though, despite those setbacks, and doubled-down on his insistence the backstop be scrapped.
The backstop is an insurance policy contained within the draft EU withdrawal treaty which would have kept Northern Ireland in line with EU regulations to avoid extra checks at the Irish border.
It has been frequently criticised as a potential threat to the integrity of the UK, while it was a longstanding point of contention during Theresa May's premiership.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...ndum-as-he-says-the-people-want-a4199401.html
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Maybe that's what him and his missus were fighting about a few weeks ago .
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The one good thing about Boris is that he's bold and crazy enough to take a decision. May was reluctant to commit to anything without certainty and dragged it on till she couldn't.
Now we'll at least be going somewhere instead of the standstill of the last 3+ years. We can finally put this disastrous chapter behind and look forward to the next thing instead of being stuck in the perpetual Brexit circus.
Now we'll at least be going somewhere instead of the standstill of the last 3+ years. We can finally put this disastrous chapter behind and look forward to the next thing instead of being stuck in the perpetual Brexit circus.
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