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BREXIT Discussion, v4.0: The Back-Pedaling

This thread has gone full pro-EU propaganda now. Not even any attempt at the pretence of being unbiased.

And because you dress it up as a "archive of relevant news reports" you get to just keep bumping it up the page day after day.
 
This thread has gone full pro-EU propaganda now. Not even any attempt at the pretence of being unbiased.

And because you dress it up as a "archive of relevant news reports" you get to just keep bumping it up the page day after day.

Ehhh, you can just bump a thread daily, you don't need an excuse. I disagree with some of the ops stance on this, but he actually puts in effort to supply detailed responses that whether you agree or not, are deeper than a puddle.

People disagree, it is the method you need to criticize to support your claim. The op doesn't play build strawman, move goal posts, and launch endless ad hominems. He is shilling what he agrees with.
 
I personally have growing doubts anybody really wants out of the EU.

All relevant politicians duck away.

Nobody can force the UK out.

The UK has no constitution and no rules how to deal with the referendum, a future government can just say 'We want to negotiate informally before we invoke Article 50', the EU says 'how about no', the government says 'well then we are staying'.

And any future government is also free to call another referendum if they are in the mood.
 
Expecting neutral coverage on Brexit from BBC is like getting neutral coverage on Trump from CNN.



Well you know considering the Pound is now insanely cheap, what better time for foreign investors to invest into British companies?
 
This thread has gone full pro-EU propaganda now. Not even any attempt at the pretence of being unbiased.

And because you dress it up as a "archive of relevant news reports" you get to just keep bumping it up the page day after day.

Then you should respond with similar articles with a pro-Brexit stance. Assuming you can find any that aren't just tabloids, blogs and social media trash...
 
Don't say that. Reputable outlets like the Sun or the Daily Mirror certainly have in-depth analyses that support their stances.

Absolutely, and it's not as if they feel any need to confine their analysis to facts.
Freedom (from reality)!!!
 
Then you should respond with similar articles with a pro-Brexit stance. Assuming you can find any that aren't just tabloids, blogs and social media trash...

Go back and look and you'll find I have. And I've provided reasoned and evidenced figures on a few points. But I'm not going to invest much time trying effectively drown out a thread dedicated to promoting remain politics.

It's a clever tactic to be able to constantly change the thread name with the day's chosen biased story and keep it on the first page and then swallow up other threads created in the same forum. You guys are clearly convinced on your angle and won't ever change your mind. I can't see the point to be honest. It's just a circle jerk at this point.
 
Ehhh, you can just bump a thread daily, you don't need an excuse. I disagree with some of the ops stance on this, but he actually puts in effort to supply detailed responses that whether you agree or not, are deeper than a puddle.

People disagree, it is the method you need to criticize to support your claim. The op doesn't play build strawman, move goal posts, and launch endless ad hominems. He is shilling what he agrees with.

Actually I provided a series of points and counter news stories which he didn't reply to at all but merely carried on posting his selected stories. Not that I really give a shit as I'm out of here but just so you know.
 
Go back and look and you'll find I have. And I've provided reasoned and evidenced figures on a few points. But I'm not going to invest much time trying effectively drown out a thread dedicated to promoting remain politics.

It's a clever tactic to be able to constantly change the thread name with the day's chosen biased story and keep it on the first page and then swallow up other threads created in the same forum. You guys are clearly convinced on your angle and won't ever change your mind. I can't see the point to be honest. It's just a circle jerk at this point.

Well... posting articles and comments promoting your views is pretty much how this subforum works. You can't really complain simply because Arkain2K is putting more effort in than you. If you're not interested in the debate or posting relevant articles, why are you here whinging about it?
Oh wait... you're a Brit right?
 


As I said before, obviously if you are a foreigner and you want to invest in Britain, now is the time because the pound is cheap.

Dollar vs Pound: http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=GBP&to=USD&amount=1
Euro vs Pound: http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=GBP&to=EUR&amount=1
Russian Ruble vs Pound: http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=GBP&to=RUB&amount=1
Chinese Yuan vs Pound: http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=GBP&to=CNY&amount=1

So whoever you are, British shares just got 15% cheaper for you.
 
Actually I provided a series of points and counter news stories which he didn't reply to at all but merely carried on posting his selected stories. Not that I really give a shit as I'm out of here but just so you know.

Sure, I see that point, but I think it is important to note that he didn't attempt to undermine your stories. He was just pushing his point of view.

If your accusation is that TS has a world view that he is supporting in a slanted way, I agree, but we all do that.
 
Theresa May vs. Andrea Leadsom
Britain will have first female prime minister since Margaret Thatcher
By Griff Witte
July 7, 2016



LONDON — The race to be Britain’s next prime minister was whittled to two on Thursday, with Conservative Party lawmakers ensuring that the country will have a female head of government — the nation’s first since Margaret Thatcher stepped down more than a quarter-century ago.

The contest will pit the home affairs secretary, Theresa May, against Energy Minister Andrea Leadsom in a race that features contenders who were on opposite sides of last month’s European Union referendum.

In a vote among 330 Tory members of Parliament, May was on top, with 199 votes, compared with 84 for Leadsom. A third candidate, Justice Secretary Michael Gove, was knocked out after securing 46 votes.

Gove had upended British politics last week by jumping into the race for prime minister at the last possible moment. The move forced the favorite, former London mayor Boris Johnson, from the contest even before he had entered. But Gove’s unexpected betrayal also angered many Conservative lawmakers and prompted them to search for an alternative candidate to stand against the new front-runner, May.

That turned out to be Leadsom, a relative unknown in British politics who serves as a junior minister but has never been a member of the cabinet — normally a prerequisite for holding the nation’s top job.

Leadsom begins the contest as a decided underdog against the better-known May, who dominated Thursday’s vote and an earlier round of balloting held Tuesday.

But May will need to persuade the party’s rank and file, who will take the summer to choose a winner.

She wasted no time Thursday making her case, which has focused on the notion that she is the only one who can bring together the party’s warring “remain” and “leave” factions. Leadsom draws her support principally from the leave camp.

“We need proven leadership to negotiate the best deal for leaving the European Union, to unite our party and our country,” May said just moments after the vote.

The winner will be announced Sept. 9 and will replace David Cameron. He announced his plans to step down late last month, just a day after he was unable to persuade the country to back the remain campaign in a referendum on Britain’s E.U. membership.

Either Leadsom or May will be Britain’s first female prime minister since Thatcher, who led the country from 1979 to 1990, and the second in British history.

With Hillary Clinton topping presidential polls in the United States and Chancellor Angela Merkel continuing to govern Germany, three of the West’s leading countries could all be governed by women by January — a historic first.

And in Scotland, a woman — First Minister Nicola Sturgeon — could become a chief antagonist for the new British prime minister. Scotland favored remaining in the European Union, and Sturgeon could lead Scottish efforts to seek another independence bid from the United Kingdom to stay in the E.U. fold.

It is just one front in the tricky post-referendum aftermath facing May or Leadsom.

Both candidates have vowed to follow through with a British exit from the European Union — popularly known as Brexit — by triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, the never-before-used mechanism by which countries can leave the 28-member bloc.

But they disagree about when to move. May has suggested that it will not happen this year. Leadsom has said she will act as quickly as possible, as European leaders have demanded. “We need to get on with it,” she recently told the BBC.

Leadsom and May were on opposite sides of the E.U. debate. Leadsom, a former bank executive, emerged from relative obscurity by taking a leading role in the leave campaign.

May officially backed remain, but in practice she largely sat on the sidelines.

She has long held strongly Euroskeptic views and has said there will be no rerun of the referendum if she becomes prime minister. “Brexit means Brexit,” she said last week when she announced her candidacy.

Seeking to assuage any doubts among leave backers, she has at times even taken a harder line than her pro-Brexit rivals. This week, for instance, she refused to guarantee that E.U. citizens living in Britain will be allowed to stay once the country has left the bloc, saying the matter is up for negotiation. Other contenders, including Leadsom, took a more conciliatory line, saying that no one would be kicked out of the country because of Brexit.

Despite May’s maneuvering, Leadsom has sought to raise questions about the home secretary’s dedication to the Brexit cause. Leadsom has argued that the country can trust only a true leave champion to drive the hard bargain with Brussels on cutting ties.

May, who has been responsible for the country’s internal security as home secretary since 2010, has suggested that Leadsom lacks the experience necessary for the country’s top job. May has pointed to her own record of negotiating tough security deals with her E.U. counterparts as evidence that she is uniquely prepared for the task ahead.

Both Leadsom and May are to the political right of Cameron. May has taken a hard line on immigration, saying in a speech last year that mass arrivals threatened the country’s “cohesion.” Leadsom, meanwhile, opposed the country’s legalization of same-sex marriage — a move that Cameron championed.

Of the two, Leadsom is considered more ideological, while May is seen as relatively pragmatic.

Now that Conservative members of Parliament have picked the two finalists, it will be up to the party’s 150,000 rank-and-file members to select the leader to govern this nation of 65 million.

Because the Conservatives won an absolute majority in Parliament in last year’s general election, they do not need to go back to the public to seek a mandate for a new prime minister. Instead, party members will vote by mail through the summer.

Polls show that May is well ahead of Leadsom among Conservative members, just as she was among the party’s parliamentary delegation.

The vote will come as the Brexit aftershocks continue to reverberate, with markets reeling and the pound down to its lowest level in three decades.

Mohamed El-Erian, chief economic adviser to the investment giant Allianz, told Reuters on Thursday that the currency still has a long way to fall — and could reach parity with the dollar if British politicians do not move quickly to restore stability.

Leadsom said Thursday that the pound’s plummet is not necessarily a cause for concern, noting that it will help British exporters. In a speech in central London, Leadsom said she wants to “banish the pessimists” and “spread prosperity to every corner of our country.”

The speech was billed as a major economic policy address, but she gave few details of her plans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...99b76e-4390-11e6-a76d-3550dba926ac_story.html
 
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Well... posting articles and comments promoting your views is pretty much how this subforum works. You can't really complain simply because Arkain2K is putting more effort in than you. If you're not interested in the debate or posting relevant articles, why are you here whinging about it?
Oh wait... you're a Brit right?

I'vedebated points, made reasoned posts with evidence and posted articles. Nobody with a job or any sense of the value of ones own time could possibly spend as much time trawling the internet for all the stories he covers. I'm certainly not going to bother. What would be the point? None that I can see. Unless he's getting paid by Sherdog then it's bizarre. People can post what they like and generally it has a bias, what I find irritating is the pretence that it's some kind neutral, news archiving service rather than a propaganda job. My point is aimed at people entering this thread thinking this is a fair summation of the situation - it isn't. It's the Guardian readers version.
 
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EU started off as a small industrial union, then a larger economic union, and then a political union, and now they're talking about a single EU military with no national ones and penalties for those who don't accept asylum quotas.

It's a takeover by the most wealthy and powerful obviously and where does it end?

For thousands of years people have wanted to resist foreign takeover and nowadays with some economic incentives and globalist ideology being taught, many would happily make the trade.

It's easy to understand the sentiment that would not want to be aboard that train. The only question is are the people actually going to remain somewhat independent or is that just an illusion.
This all day long.

Proud to have voted Brexit
 
I hope Leadsom gets the leadership.

Theresa May is experienced in politics, but a bit weak on the issues that matter. Leadsom doesn't really care about "offending people" and will push through the policies that matter.
 
The pound has lost 15% since the Brexit vote and keeps falling.

Actually this isn't a bad thing - in fact I'd say it's one of the positives of the aftermath of the intention to leave the EU.

Means businesses like mine and everyone elses are much more competitive globally. I think you will see a very big boost to British exports and business because of the drop in the pound. It will boost trade/exports to other countries.

The only negative is that for imports it means goods imported from elsewhere will probably be 15% more expensive unless businesses absorb the cost themselves or force their suppliers to. At the end of the day it will encourage more consumers to purchase British goods as they will be valued better in comparison. It will also bring issues to the property market here in the UK - big issues - at the moment the political uncertainty is doing it's job to lessen the demand for British property from foreign investors but as soon as that uncertainty evaporates - I'd expect more foreign investment which can be a good thing for British businesses/finance but really bad for those looking to get on the property market - as foreign property investment will probably increase because of the drop in the pound - making it more accessible globally.

It's gotten so bad here in the London property market that most Londoners that have lived here all their lives cannot afford homes - partly the problem is foreign property investment which has driven prices up so much in the last decade, that people that live here can't afford housing.

I'm hoping that now we are going to be politically severed from the EU - that at least a cap can be put in place for how much property foreign investors are allowed to buy - at the moment there is no limit. So it's not at the expense of people that live, work and will spend the rest of their lives here.




Do Muslim women shave their bush (If you catch my meaning ;))?

Yes - it's meant to be done as well as underarms for both men & women. Of course you might run into a Muslim woman that doesn't bother in which case you might see a bush lol.
 
m hoping that now we are going to be politically severed from the EU - that at least a cap can be put in place for how much property foreign investors are allowed to buy - at the moment there is no limit

Such a limit would need to come fast because as you said, buying British products is more affordable for the rest of the World now, but that includes real estate.
 
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