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Economy *BREAKING* Trump Freezes All Federal Loans & Pell Grants

Just to let you know, Trumps end game is to declare a National Emergency when everyone gets pissed off about losing their social services, medicade, etc. and start protesting.
Trump polling numbers are already fucking slipping after 5 days on the job and his weekend of golf. I wonder if he can get a lower rating than he had his last term.
I was going to start a thread tracking Trumps rounds of Golf, but have started too many threads lately. 4 years if he arteries do not seize up by then, I put his golf total over/under at 300. Will book all under bets.
 
CantCucktheTuck said:

"White House clarifies scope of Trump's federal aid pause, excludes key social programs"​

"The White House and OMB clarified the pause Tuesday afternoon giving more specifics about what was impacted. "Funds for small businesses, farmers, Pell grants, Head Start, rental assistance, and other similar programs will not be paused," according to OMB, and SNAP benefits also wouldn’t be paused."


What you are linking has nothing to do with someone getting their monthly check. Stop falling for fake news.
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Does it stop them from getting their check? No.

Is it affecting their health care? Yes.
 
So going forward, can we agree that you guys either fell for another fake news story or are knowingly lying.

"White House clarifies scope of Trump's federal aid pause, excludes key social programs"​

"The White House and OMB clarified the pause Tuesday afternoon giving more specifics about what was impacted. "Funds for small businesses, farmers, Pell grants, Head Start, rental assistance, and other similar programs will not be paused," according to OMB, and SNAP benefits also wouldn’t be paused."
 
panamaican said:
So, because direct assistance isn't affected, some people are suggesting that no one is getting harmed. That's a superficial grasp of things.

Sure, it seems effective in the corporate world because corporations don't have to worry about anything beyond their bottom line and most corporate restructures are telegraphed far enough in advance that employees can start preparing for the fall out.

I do think that calling discussing actual implications of policy decisions "hypothericals and hysteria" is a little silly when the Executive Order is pretty clear on its face. Freeze all disbursements. That's not a hypothetical situation or a hysterical one. I gather than most of the people downplaying it don't actually understand how it works.

We already saw this when he froze communication within the science space. Grant approval meetings scheduled months in advance had to be cancelled with no clear idea about when they'll be rescheduled. It might not seem like a big deal but since those meetings involved coordinating individuals from all over the country, rescheduling them becomes problematic. And that meant certain research doesn't go forward in a timely fashion. I'm sure that 99% of the people never considered that freezing communications would end up hurting research timelines though.

Ideally, nothing crazy happens. But pretending that no one is affected by this is equally silly.
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The government has had a few shutdowns in last couple decades, including one in trumps first term. And no mass deaths due to government services as all these essential services remained in place.

I have seen Russ Vought talk many times and he has prepared for exactly this for the last 4 years after serving in the previous Trump admin. He has not been confirmed yet, but some officials that don’t need confirmation, already put in place at OMB and beginning work.

I have biased since I have heard him and others at his think tank talk about it, but I feel it’s a calculated move and will be interesting to play out.

The language in the official OMB state lment is quite interesting, “unwind objectionable policies” so they already have stuff cited they have given to these agencies and programs.

GiaMHObbwAAKRKX
 
Big Nasty Edison said:
It matters because its a program that would still have funds to operate without the feds, just in a greatly diminished capacity. And she didn't offer that information as examples on her own without prompting; she just said "yeah" to a reporter asking about it. It's easy to just go "yeah those are cool" during a press conference for programs that will still receive funding outside of the feds. Its an entirely different thing for the OMB to go "here is a list of programs that will receive funding and are immune from this" and just clear the air and get rid of the chaos outright.

Would it really be so hard for OMB and the president to decide ahead of time and give a list of things that wouldn't be affected? This was very clearly a "shoot first and ask questions later". Or at worst, they left it vague on purpose as a barometer to see how far they could push Americans. It's easier to walk back on things to push for more once you've gotten it.
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Apparently they did give a list, and provided it to agencies, along with policies OMB are questioning. As per the imagine I just posted from the official OMB release
 
cottagecheesefan said:
The government has had a few shutdowns in last couple decades, including one in trumps first term. And no mass deaths due to government services as all these essential services remained in place.

I have seen Russ Vought talk many times and he has prepared for exactly this for the last 4 years after serving in the previous Trump admin. He has not been confirmed yet, but some officials that don’t need confirmation, already put in place at OMB and beginning work.

I have biased since I have heard him and others at his think tank talk about it, but I feel it’s a calculated move and will be interesting to play out.

The language in the official OMB state lment is quite interesting, “unwind objectionable policies” so they already have stuff cited they have given to these agencies and programs.

GiaMHObbwAAKRKX
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What is the point of this post when my post was about the indirect programs? Did you not read my post? I'll post the information again:

Those generally not considered direct assistance are:

  • Disaster relief
  • Nonprofit grants or loans (e.g., nonprofit funding for community programs, research or infrastructure projects)
  • Public health grants and assistance (e.g., CDC grants for research, community health initiatives, and state-run public health programs)
  • Government research grants (e.g., National Institutes of Health (NIH) or National Science Foundation (NSF) research funding)
  • Transportation infrastructure funding (e.g., grants for road and bridge construction)
  • Energy grants (e.g., grants for renewable energy or efficiency projects)
  • Environmental protection grants (e.g., grants from the EPA for environmental research, mitigation, or restoration projects)
  • Agriculture and farming assistance (e.g., subsidies or grants for farmers)
  • Corporate bailouts or assistance (e.g., loans or grants to large companies or industries)
  • Foreign aid (e.g., funding for international programs and development)
  • Educational institution grants (e.g., federal grants to colleges and universities for research or development)
  • K-12 Federal funds
 
Natural Order said:
One would hope fiscal reforms in gov spending are done for such an idea. First Buddy is feeding him ideas via his new DOGE posting I’m sure.
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It seems to have much more to do gutting so called DEI initiatives given that is Congress who holds the purse strings and not the POTUS.
 
revoltub said:
Just admit you are overreacting like the rest of the liberal media.

Also, have you bothered to check the portal in your state? I did in mine and it is working just fine.
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Yeah, it was such an overreaction that, once again, a Federal Judge had to block yet another EO from your dictator in chief.
 
Islam Imamate said:
You think Trump is doing this out of some sense of fiscal responsibility?
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the whole point is to crash the economy so the rich can buy up the ruins. musk admitted to it on twitter. he wants to dissolve the FDIC and other safeguards put in place since the great depression. meanwhile, you have literal accelerationists trying to accelerate the us into a race war. they're itching for civil unrest so trump can do a military purge and declare martial law, and they can have the white supremacist military dictatorship they've always dreamed of.
 
Sinister said:
Republican men wont even feel bad about the white women. They're supposed to be making them sammiches.
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I have to double check the data but I think the list goes: white women, LGBTQ communities, Hispanics (because many are visually white but check Hispanic on government forms so they reap both benefits), veterans, then Asians then black Americans.

I've always found the vitriolic focus on DEI and similar programs directed at black America to be ironic considering that black America probably has one of the stronger complaints about how even things originally intended to help them have been coopted to basically help white people in other subgroups succeed. But that's a conversation for a whole other thread (and probably an entirely different webspace).
 
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