Breakdown of Ngannou open boxing session

[mozfonky]

I'm starting to hate these cross over fights. Fury is a gypsy and bare knuckle means a lot. Why not take this BKFC ? Would of been a win win, a true spectacle. Also with that rule set, Francis becomes more competitive....by a lot.

me too but people are dumb enough to pay for it and as we see here, dumb enough to think he has a shot inspite of how the mcgregors, etc.., have failed in the past.

I personally hold it against them, quit getting juice off our sport. Go fix your own sport, ya, it's not settup fairly but quit relying on boxing to point to when you need to make money or say something is corrupt or damaging.

 

[Po]

One thing Francis has that Mcgregor didn't is huge power.

That said yeah his chances are pretty slim to land power shots clean

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

One thing Francis has that Mcgregor didn't is huge power.

That said yeah his chances are pretty slim to land power shots clean

McGregor was still hyped by the MMA community as having vaunted power with the whole "Celtic cross" thing as his straight left hand was named. It didn't bother Floyd. He laughed it off because he'd been hit a hell of a lot harder in his career. We'll have to see what Ngannou's power looks like on the night. He's going to have a hard time hitting Fury. Especially if he telegraphs his power punches by loading up on them like he has a bad habit of doing.

 

[LZD]

In a real fight, Ngannou decimates him in under 60 seconds.

In the game of boxing, Fury will decimate Ngannou in whatever round he chooses. I'm guessing he carries it until round 6.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

In a real fight, Ngannou decimates him in under 60 seconds.

In the game of boxing, Fury will decimate Ngannou in whatever round he chooses. I'm guessing he carries it until round 6.

In the game of boxing? It's no game and it's a much more dangerous sport than MMA is. That's why the expression "You don't play boxing" exists. BTW a "real fight" would be a street fight which isn't MMA or boxing. Is it closer to MMA? Sure, but it's absolutely a different animal altogether. There are no rules in the street.

 

[Po]

McGregor was still hyped by the MMA community as having vaunted power with the whole "Celtic cross" thing as his straight left hand was named. It didn't bother Floyd. He laughed it off because he'd been hit a hell of a lot harder in his career. We'll have to see what Ngannou's power looks like on the night. He's going to have a hard time hitting Fury. Especially if he telegraphs his power punches by loading up on them like he has a bad habit of doing.

Mcgregor was always more about precision and timing over power. It's easier to time mma guys with pull counters than vs mayweather.
Francis legitimately has big power. Joe Joyce sparred both Francis and Tyson Fury. He said Francis hits harder than Fury.

 

[listrahtes]

One thing Francis has that Mcgregor didn't is huge power.

That said yeah his chances are pretty slim to land power shots clean

The ignorance you guys have in MMA and boxing is astonishing . No Francis doesn't have "huge power" He couldn't even hurt Blackbeast or Gane in the stand up department. Everyone has huge power windmilling. Ngannou isn't some special stand up prodigy even in MMA. He got outclassed ves non zombie Stipe , looked pathetic vs Blackbeast and had a stinker vs Gane were he needed wrestling not survive stand up. Only huge power is the book of excuses from his fans.

He is a roided up bum in boxing with subpar skills and mediocre power. His 2 is a joke so is his jab..

 

[LZD]

In the game of boxing? It's no game and it's a much more dangerous sport than MMA is. That's why the expression "You don't play boxing" exists. BTW a "real fight" would be a street fight which isn't MMA or boxing. Is it closer to MMA? Sure, but it's absolutely a different animal altogether. There are no rules in the street.

Getting hit only above the belt by large padded gloves is not more dangerous than having a shin wrapped around your head, a heel, elbow or knee smashed into your face and slice it open, or your elbow dislocated in a submission.

In a "real" no rules at all fight Fury gets tooled even more easily than he does in MMA. MMA skills allow you to take advantage of no rules even better : ie wrestling and grappling and ground control allow you to smash people into concrete, gouge their eyes, control them and bite them better. Take limbs.

And I say this as someone who trained boxing and compete amateur for 15 years.

 

[FlowchartRog]

Mcgregor was always more about precision and timing over power. It's easier to time mma guys with pull counters than vs mayweather.
Francis legitimately has big power. Joe Joyce sparred both Francis and Tyson Fury. He said Francis hits harder than Fury.

As you suggested, I know Ngannou is one of the very few guys in MMA with proper KO power, there's no doubt about that. And yeah Pillowfists McGregory's "power" looked like an absolute joke in a boxing ring. He only looked powerful picking off enraged manlets, with no chin or defense.

Also, I know Joyce said that, but I'm not entirely convinced Ngannou does hit harder than Fury. He can definitely punch by MMA standards, but when the fight happens, I won't be surprised at all if Fury is the bigger puncher.

Ngannou seems like someone who would throw bombs non stop in sparring, as that's basically all he knows. Fury mgiht have just been fucking around.

 

[SharpasaRazor]

Getting hit only above the belt by large padded gloves is not more dangerous than having a shin wrapped around your head, a heel, elbow or knee smashed into your face and slice it open, or your elbow dislocated in a submission.

In a "real" no rules at all fight Fury gets tooled even more easily than he does in MMA. MMA skills allow you to take advantage of no rules even better : ie wrestling and grappling and ground control allow you to smash people into concrete, gouge their eyes, control them and bite them better. Take limbs.

And I say this as someone who trained boxing and compete amateur for 15 years.

You been training/competing in boxing for 15 years and yet you’re engaging in this pathetic ‘real fight’ nonsense?

Both sports are dangerous but boxing has a higher chance of you actually getting killed. The level of head trauma received is much greater in boxing (although I think MMA is worse for wear and tear on the body).

Discussions about ‘who winz da real fight’ are for chumps. I genuinely can’t believe you’d train for that long and have such little understanding of different disciplines. Anyway you came in thread looking to bait and seems you’ve succeeded

 

[LZD]

You been training/competing in boxing for 15 years and yet you’re engaging in this pathetic ‘real fight’ nonsense?

Both sports are dangerous but boxing has a higher chance of you actually getting killed. The level of head trauma received is much greater in boxing (although I think MMA is worse for wear and tear on the body).

Discussions about ‘who winz da real fight’ are for chumps. I genuinely can’t believe you’d train for that long and have such little understanding of different disciplines. Anyway you came in thread looking to bait and seems you’ve succeeded

Reading comprehension fail on your part. Check my initial post. All I said was Fury will tool Ngannou however he wants in boxing, and Ngannou would win in 60 seconds vs Fury in MMA. That's not controversial.

The dude who quoted me bright up the silly idea of danger and street fights, which weren't mentioned previously.

I love and respect and train in boxing and kickboxing.

 

[LZD]

You been training/competing in boxing for 15 years and yet you’re engaging in this pathetic ‘real fight’ nonsense?

Both sports are dangerous but boxing has a higher chance of you actually getting killed. The level of head trauma received is much greater in boxing (although I think MMA is worse for wear and tear on the body).

Discussions about ‘who winz da real fight’ are for chumps. I genuinely can’t believe you’d train for that long and have such little understanding of different disciplines. Anyway you came in thread looking to bait and seems you’ve succeeded

Also worth noting that's its FURY HIMSELF that keeps raising the idea of winning a real fight. "I walk into a room with Jones alone I guarantee you I'm the one walking out"

Guess Fury is a chump according to you and doesn't respect the sport of boxing? :0

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Getting hit only above the belt by large padded gloves is not more dangerous than having a shin wrapped around your head, a heel, elbow or knee smashed into your face and slice it open, or your elbow dislocated in a submission.

In a "real" no rules at all fight Fury gets tooled even more easily than he does in MMA. MMA skills allow you to take advantage of no rules even better : ie wrestling and grappling and ground control allow you to smash people into concrete, gouge their eyes, control them and bite them better. Take limbs.

And I say this as someone who trained boxing and compete amateur for 15 years.

Boxing is more dangerous due to repeated head trauma. It's changed a lot of people's lives for the better but at the same time unfortunately it's claimed a lot of lives (around 2,000 is the estimate). MMA is the safer sport. We've even had former UFC fighters come over to boxing and die from injuries sustained in the ring like Tim Hague. You're really ignorant.

 

[LZD]

Boxing is more dangerous due to repeated head trauma. It's changed a lot of people's lives for the better but at the same time unfortunately it's claimed a lot of lives (around 2,000 is the estimate). MMA is the safer sport. We've even had former UFC fighters come over to boxing and die from injuries sustained in the ring like Tim Hague. You're really ignorant.

Yup I'm aware of all that. But how dangerous a career in the sport is for your health has zero relation to who would win in a real fight.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Yup I'm aware of all that. But how dangerous a career in the sport is for your health has zero relation to who would win in a real fight.

Right. There you go with this "real fight" stuff again. MMA isn't a real fight, bud.

 

[LZD]

Right. There you go with this "real fight" stuff again. MMA isn't a real fight, bud.

Never said it was. Just responded to the silly assertion put to me.

In a real fight, Ngannou is far more dangerous.

Who do you think would win in a no rules fight btw?

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Never said it was. Just responded to the silly assertion put to me.

In a real fight, Ngannou is far more dangerous.

Who do you think would win in a no rules fight btw?

Who knows? Street fights are unpredictable. You'd already know this if you'd ever been in one.

 

[LZD]

Who knows? Street fights are unpredictable. You'd already know this if you'd ever been in one.

In boxing Fury wins 99/100.
In MMA Ngannou wins 99/100.
In a street fight, Ngannou wins 98/100.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

In boxing Fury wins 99/100.
In MMA Ngannou wins 99/100.
In a street fight, Ngannou wins 98/100.

Fury is faster, taller, and has the longer reach. He also knows how to use his range (height & reach). That counts for a lot in any fight. It's also worth pointing out to you that not every street fight involves grappling. You'll find that quite a few of them are just piss poor standup boxing matches until one guy falls. Either one of them could have a weapon on them and their friends could jump in. If you really think that Ngannou would win 98% of the time in the street then you're clueless. Street fights are as unpredictable as it gets.

 

[LZD]

Fury is faster, taller, and has the longer reach. He also knows how to use his range (height & reach). That counts for a lot in any fight. It's also worth pointing out to you that not every street fight involves grappling. You'll find that quite a few of them are just piss poor standup boxing matches until one guy falls. Either one of them could have a weapon on them and their friends could jump in. If you really think that Ngannou would win 98% of the time in the street then you're clueless. Street fights are as unpredictable as it gets.

Theyre not piss poor boxing matches if either of them decides to street fight. They have skills. They'll use their skills.

Street fights aren't unpredictable for MMA guys. They're used to near anything goes. Getting kicked or taken down won't surprise them. But it'll surprise the boxer.

But yes, if someone brings weapons or multiple people jump in its very unpredictable. But in that case, it's not one person beating the other in combat, is it? It's two or more people committing an assault on another.