Media Boxing promoter Eddie Hearn on the UFC "The problem is with UFC, I feel like they always want the brand to be bigger than that of the fighter"

Boxing PPVs have been going through the roof lately. The public is buying them.

UFC PPVs have been selling to just fans of the sport.

The man may have a point.
 
Lol I was a much more into boxing than MMA in my younger years. You're fucking crazy if you think boxing's model of business is better for the fans. I literally am barely following boxing right now because of how difficult and rare it was to watch the 2 best guys in there weight class fight each other. Boxing politics and shady shit with promoters turned me off.

UFC for the most part will make the best fights. It was r
Thats the very issue and they are intertwined. They can do this because they are the only big promotion and control almost all the fighters, at the same time thats why they can pay them so little.
They failed to put together the biggest fight in the sport (Ngannou- Jones) precisely because Ngannou was at risk of becoming a superstar independent of the brand and get payed, so they would rather just get rid of him and scrap the fight then allow that to happen.
 


He'll get hate because he's from the boxing world but I think he's absolutely correct.

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That's been pretty much common knowledge years now.
 
I also think Boxing has a much more mature fanbase, so when a figther lose, he is not considered a can

Lol its the other way round. Cultivating an undefeated record for any halfway decent fighter before finally cashing out against another guy with an undefeated record is the absolute norm in boxing.

There are WAY more famous boxers than famous UFC fighters.

Right now? not really. The UFC has a much larger platform than anything boxing related in terms of its Youtube, social media etc etc and a large marketing budget, so your chances of getting accidental exposure to it is relatively high.

The average person could name several boxers in nearly every country. Almost every country has a boxer that is well known among its populace.


Is there a Spanish boxer currently who is more known both domestically and internationally than Ilia? is Otto Wallin more known in Sweden and internationally than Khamzat? any current French boxer bigger than Gane or Ngannou? what about Brazil? Georgia?

This doesnt only go in one direction.

The most famous MMA fighter of all time is Conor McGregor. His fame is nothing compared to Ali, Tyson, Foreman, Pacqiao, Mayweather.

I mean 3 of those 5 names come from over 30 years ago, two are dead. Conor was a bigger draw than Pac, whos drawing power largely stemmed from him hanging on Floyds coattails for over 5 years. Once the chase was over Pac couldnt even break 500k on PPV anymore.
 
Boxing PPVs have been going through the roof lately. The public is buying them.

UFC PPVs have been selling to just fans of the sport.

The man may have a point.
Boxing fans have been eating the last few years with the cards they've been getting



Pre-pandemic the UFC certainly had the argument.
 


He'll get hate because he's from the boxing world but I think he's absolutely correct.

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Hes absolutely incorrect. In this day and age the average ufc fighter has more exposure and more of a following then their boxing counterpart. On the high end, the ufc doesnt have a Canelo, but in terms of quantity there are more stars in the UFC currently. If you go by google trends, social media following etc.

If the claim is superstars, we need to define that further. Canelo, Joshua and Ryan Garcia are superstars imo, but then its gets trickier. You can argue Charles Oliviera is as big a star as Tank Davis, especially globally, and hes not even a champion. Theres so many guys in the UFC with giant followings.
 
Eddie Hearn is a piece of shit. He'll always be a piece of shit. He's always been a piece of shit.
 
Boxing fans have been eating the last few years with the cards they've been getting



Pre-pandemic the UFC certainly had the argument.


Those cards aren't all that great. Rolly/Garcia and Canelo/Scrull aren't that notable. I always watch Inoue but it's not a great matchup either.
 
Those cards aren't all that great. Rolly/Garcia and Canelo/Scrull aren't that notable. I always watch Inoue but it's not a great matchup either.

They certainly lean A side heavy. But it'd be the equivalent of Pereira, Khamzat and Ilia all fighting over one weekend.
 
They certainly lean A side heavy. But it'd be the equivalent of Pereira, Khamzat and Ilia all fighting over one weekend.

In fight quality? I disagree. In popularity? Sure. Rolly and Scrull are fodder for Garcia and Canelo. Inoue, unfortunately, doesn't move the needle. Those cards are name heavy, fight vapid. A typical UFC card is more entertaining than a boxing card which is buoyed by one fight 99% of the time.

At the end of the day, the UFC is trying to do what the NFL is doing with the shield over athletes. Boxing has long been a sport rife with corruption, which it still is, and fight ducking until Turki showed up. Let's not forget that.

Hearn is a snake. He's always going to dump on the UFC. He's always going to irrationally back his sport and his fighters - just look at his commentary on Benn after the Eubank loss from last week. He can eat shit and live.
 
In fight quality? I disagree. In popularity? Sure. Rolly and Scrull are fodder for Garcia and Canelo. Innuendo, unfortunately, doesn't move the needle. Those cards are name heavy, fight vapid.

At the end of the day, the UFC is trying to do what the NFL is doing with the shield over athletes. Boxing has long been a sport rife with corruption and ducking until Turki showed up. Let's not forget that.

Hearn is a snake. He's always going to dump on the UFC. He's always going to irrationally back his sport and his fighters - just look at his commentary on Benn after the Eubank loss from last week. He can eat shit and live.
garcia fighting someone who's 2 in his last 4 and canelo fighting...who? dude's record is a list of nobodies.
About as interesting as booking Islam vs someone making their ufc debut.
 
garcia fighting someone who's 2 in his last 4 and canelo fighting...who? dude's record is a list of nobodies.
About as interesting as booking Islam vs someone making their ufc debut.

Rolly is hilarious but he's hit his ceiling and has proven he's nothing more than a punching bag for better fighters.
 
I mean we have that same problem. How many dream matches have we missed out on, or still waiting to happen

Tony and Khabib and that's basically it.

meanwhile in boxing, all the stars get to literally micromanage everything about the fight in order to gain an advantage. they get a judge's advantage and even a "rules for thee but not for me" type of advantage also as evidenced by Gervonta Davis's last fight.

he's right about UFC, but his sport is in WAY worse shape than UFC is from a "is this even a fucking sport anymore?" perspective.
 
he's right about UFC, but his sport is in WAY worse shape than UFC is from a "is this even a fucking sport anymore?" perspective.

If this was a few years back I'd have 100% agreed with you but boxing (mainly thanks to the shiekh) has seen a resurgence of quality fights recently.

The UFC has started to go the other way in the quality of its fights. The problem with fully putting brand first, is the Apex slop they've been serving up, with the expectation that you should enjoy it just because it's officially UFC branded.

Also, what's been happening with Jon and Aspinall is about as bad as anything that's occured in boxing.
 
i mean, yeah its by design. echoing other peoples' comments in this thread - the UFC wants you to know the brand, not the fighters.

In fight quality? I disagree. In popularity? Sure. Rolly and Scrull are fodder for Garcia and Canelo. Inoue, unfortunately, doesn't move the needle. Those cards are name heavy, fight vapid. A typical UFC card is more entertaining than a boxing card which is buoyed by one fight 99% of the time.

At the end of the day, the UFC is trying to do what the NFL is doing with the shield over athletes. Boxing has long been a sport rife with corruption, which it still is, and fight ducking until Turki showed up. Let's not forget that.

Hearn is a snake. He's always going to dump on the UFC. He's always going to irrationally back his sport and his fighters - just look at his commentary on Benn after the Eubank loss from last week. He can eat shit and live.

a typical UFC card is as boring as most typical boxing cards nowadays. lets not excuse the plethora of boring APEX cards. but just like UFC 300, boxing has had great cards recently like Queensbury vs Matchroom and the 2 Beterbiev/Bivol cards (excluding Shakur Stevenson's fight, of course).

boxing is an older sport and so has a more established fanbase by default. its got a professional history going back 100+ years. inherently, that means more opportunities for corruption too. but let's not exclude UFC from being corrupt, because it is. combat sports seem to attract those types of characters.

and the only reason i think Inoue doesnt sell much in the Western world is because he often fights in Japan, so the timing of his fights doesnt fit with Western audiences. this time, he's fighting in Vegas at a time where a lot of people in the West will be able to tune in at a reasonable hour. also helps that Rafael Espinoza is fighting in the co-main event - he's someone that Inoue wants to face if he moves up from 122 to 126 pounds. seems they're trying to set that up eventually if they both win.

oddly enough, the card with Garcia, Teo and Haney is the one i think im least interested in and probably not going to watch. the Inoue and Canelo cards both have more interesting matchups leading up to the main event.

and regarding Eddie Hearn, itll be fun to see his face when Inoue knocks out MJ. Hearn was whining so much about Inoue ducking him and saying he needed to give the belts up to MJ; just ridiculous complaining. i was similarly satisfied when he twice looked bewildered as Usyk out-boxed the fuck out of Anthony Joshua for 24 rounds.
 
Boxing PPVs have been going through the roof lately. The public is buying them.

UFC PPVs have been selling to just fans of the sport.

The man may have a point.

They are inflating the numbers by including all streaming platforms around the world.

 
Tony and Khabib and that's basically it.

meanwhile in boxing, all the stars get to literally micromanage everything about the fight in order to gain an advantage. they get a judge's advantage and even a "rules for thee but not for me" type of advantage also as evidenced by Gervonta Davis's last fight.

he's right about UFC, but his sport is in WAY worse shape than UFC is from a "is this even a fucking sport anymore?" perspective.
How about gsp vs Anderson?
Anderson vs shogun?

We missed a lot of good prime fights. Now I won’t bash them for the pride fighters, because they did try with chuck and wand on two occasions, and the other guys, minus rampage, were all out of their prime
 
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