Boxing match shatters UFC's highest gate record

Willy Knuckles said:
For a fight where the A-side is British? Wasn't at least one of the fights in London as well? Bro you're literally retarded. In boxing, they count PPV sales from numerous countries as they don't have free broadcast deals like the UFC does. You MUST be a retard
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the fights were all in the US you absolute casual <BC1>
 
Corrado Soprano said:
Last Saturday's boxing match between Tank Davis & Ryan Garcia did 1.2 million PPV buys and had a gate of $22.8 million



The 2 highest UFC's gates were McGregor vs Alvarez in NYC and McGregor vs Khabib in Vegas.



Both sports are amazing but it's clear that worldwide Boxing is still more popular than MMA. A big Boxing fight will always be bigger than anything MMA can produce. Boxing is filled with more genuine characters while UFC guys play roles like in the WWE.

Source: https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/5-biggest-gates-ufc-history

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ot...psed-12-million-pay-per-view-buys/ar-AA1aohLI
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Yeah people like to say that boxing is dying and UFC is the big thing, but it's not like boxers are crossing over to MMA to fight very often, a lot go the other way.
 
Tickets to live events are so much more expensive than they were pre-covid. Suckers appear to be happily paying these inflated prices (thanks a lot).

Maybe that's why the gate was so impressive.
 
All I know is, I know a ton of MMA fans in my area, but only like 2 boxing fans.

Not a big sample size, but just my face value perspective.
 
Anyone who doesn't accept this reality is just a sad little gimp.
 
Does it make it worse for UFC that i have to say who vs who?
 
Corrado Soprano said:
Last Saturday's boxing match between Tank Davis & Ryan Garcia did 1.2 million PPV buys and had a gate of $22.8 million



The 2 highest UFC's gates were McGregor vs Alvarez in NYC and McGregor vs Khabib in Vegas.



Both sports are amazing but it's clear that worldwide Boxing is still more popular than MMA. A big Boxing fight will always be bigger than anything MMA can produce. Boxing is filled with more genuine characters while UFC guys play roles like in the WWE.

Source: https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/5-biggest-gates-ufc-history

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ot...psed-12-million-pay-per-view-buys/ar-AA1aohLI
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When you adjust for inflation, Tank vs. Garcia only did about $300k more in live gate, so I wouldn't describe that as "shattering".
 
chiefwiggum said:
post ticket stubs? I’m not a teenager going to a Motley Crue concert.
I gurantee you the closer you are the worse the view is and even mid price level are very bad.

tons of camera men. The posts you’re viewing small guys through a a black fence. There is nothing good visually about it b
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you’ve either a. Never been to an event period or B. Had terrible seats

i go to several events a year and can prove it with receipts

the views are great from good seats
 
Willy Knuckles said:
For a fight where the A-side is British? Wasn't at least one of the fights in London as well? Bro you're literally retarded. In boxing, they count PPV sales from numerous countries as they don't have free broadcast deals like the UFC does. You MUST be a retard
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They count primarily US PPVs. Most contracts have a literal clause that only counts foreign PPVs if they are over a certain price when it comes to backend. Also boxing tends to have similar deals to the UFC in a lot of countries, where it's distributed as part of a larger TV package.
JustBleed69 said:
All I know is, I know a ton of MMA fans in my area, but only like 2 boxing fans.

Not a big sample size, but just my face value perspective.
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I don't imagine you hang around a lot of teens and 20 year olds?
Oyal said:
Tickets to live events are so much more expensive than they were pre-covid. Suckers appear to be happily paying these inflated prices (thanks a lot).

Maybe that's why the gate was so impressive.
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That and it was also just a near sellout.
 
avenue94 said:
They count primarily US PPVs. Most contracts have a literal clause that only counts foreign PPVs if they are over a certain price when it comes to backend. Also boxing tends to have similar deals to the UFC in a lot of countries, where it's distributed as part of a larger TV package.

I don't imagine you hang around a lot of teens and 20 year olds?

That and it was also just a near sellout.
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You can look it up my man, for Fury vs Wilder all of them, they counted UK PPV's as well. Also, saying "boxing" has deals similar to the UFC is misleading. I'm sure lower tiered fights and some smaller/less popular events get some deals, but the top events are like 90% PPV in places the UFC would be free. Calling any of the fury wilder fights a bust because of "low" US PPV sales is crazy imo considering how much the sold overall evidently
 
Willy Knuckles said:
You can look it up my man, for Fury vs Wilder all of them, they counted UK PPV's as well. Also, saying "boxing" has deals similar to the UFC is misleading. I'm sure lower tiered fights and some smaller/less popular events get some deals, but the top events are like 90% PPV in places the UFC would be free. Calling any of the fury wilder fights a bust because of "low" US PPV sales is crazy imo considering how much the sold overall evidently
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They aren't just lumped in for buys. The first fight did 325K in the US, and a bit more in the UK. The second fight did about 800K linear, 300K more on digital. Whenever you see an American promoter of the UFC talking about PPV buys, they are almost always talking US buys. UK buys are tallied separately and reported differently since 1, they are a lower price, and 2, they often are going to different promoter or fighter.

Also since you seem unaware, the first Fury Wilder match actually lost money. It was made up for in the rematches.

And no it isn't for boxing. For example, most UK fights are either reduced or included in subscriptions, unless it's a big fight. Same model as the UFC.
 
avenue94 said:
They aren't just lumped in for buys. The first fight did 325K in the US, and a bit more in the UK. The second fight did about 800K linear, 300K more on digital. Whenever you see an American promoter of the UFC talking about PPV buys, they are almost always talking US buys. UK buys are tallied separately and reported differently since 1, they are a lower price, and 2, they often are going to different promoter or fighter.

Also since you seem unaware, the first Fury Wilder match actually lost money. It was made up for in the rematches.

And no it isn't for boxing. For example, most UK fights are either reduced or included in subscriptions, unless it's a big fight. Same model as the UFC.
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The only place that fight was free to watch was panama bro. Are you trying to say this is a unique thing to the Fury/Wilder fight?

PPV buys tell you the amount of PPV buys and that's really it, it's not equal to revenue, that is a different figure so idk why you're talking about it losing money or not.

I was never lumping the PPV buys all into one, I'm actually doing the opposite and stating that it sold very well overseas. Only stating the US buy rate for an event that was sold on PPV in 99% of the countries it was available in, claiming it was a bust is complete nonsense and reeks of ignorance. Not trying to be a dick but the model that is common for boxing overseas is not the same as the UFC at all my dude
 
How does a gate equate to world wide popularity? Isn't that laregly dependent on regional popularity and not as much global?
 
Boxing is still King in Combat Sports when it comes to the mega fights and it's not even close tbh.

Hope we get Spence vs Crawford, Canelo vs Benavidez/Bivol and the HW's fighting Saudi Arabia for insane money later this year.

Haney vs Loma is a great fight also!
 
avenue94 said:
You say that like the UFC hasn't ridiculously hiked event prices since WME took over.

Inflation adjusted it's among the top 25 or so biggest combat sports events in gross revenue. It's no joke. Also fyi since most people don't know this, most mega UFC or boxing events today pale in magnitude to old boxing events.

1.2 million off two draws in effectively their first big fight is impressive anyway to cut it. There's only a handful of boxers and mma fighters ever who have had bigger PPV debuts.

It doesn't matter if it's boxing or mma, fans have this bizarre idea that breaking a million PPV buys is somehow routine and not almost 9 figure revenue.
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People have no idea that boxing will remain (and/or get back on its feet) because the history of boxing even in its Queensbury rules infancy was still so much greater than MMA in its infancy. 10s of thousands of people turning up to watch a boxing bout 80+ years ago when the only advert was a newspaper, word of mouth or radio.
Even if boxing takes a massive downturn in a lot of respects, that foundation is here to stay.
MMA and specifically, UFC needs to build upwards for another 20+ years and forget about comparing itself to anything.
MMA fans are fickle. I damned well love the sport but it's inferior in its current state, from specific skill level, depth of rosters, paydays and viewership.
UFC is a hype machine and I see dangers that it could hype itself out of business one day.
The current watering down of prize money and roster in what is supposed to be the pinnacle of MMA is a big risk long term for the sport.
 
The throwaway free Apex card was better though tbh. It was good to see 2 big stars in their primes go at it since its such an anomaly in boxing but the fight was pretty anticlimactic.

Big boxing fights have always produced higher gates but the UFC draws more consistent interest. Its rare to go 2 months without at least a semi big night of fights in MMA.
 
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