it wasnt a robbery, just a very questionable decision when taking into consideration that two judges did not give kovalev a single round after the 6th. that is horrible as by most peoples accounts was that ward only won two clear rounds from 7-12 with kovalev winning one(round 10)
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it wasnt a robbery, just a very questionable decision when taking into consideration that two judges did not give kovalev a single round after the 6th. that is horrible as by most peoples accounts was that ward only won two clear rounds from 7-12 with kovalev winning one(round 10)
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I don't think Ward won it, and I had a substantial bet on him. He got sonn'ed on the inside at times, even though that's his area of expertise. Kova landing the heavier shots in most of the rounds, Ward landing little of substance. It was closeish, but still clear for Kovalev. 8-4, 7-5 ish at worst.
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kov was -280 after final bell on 5d (something like that)
i hedged with ward +235 at that point but obviously not enough. lost 3.5u on kovalev at solid +money, including some on kovalev DEC +570ish
i hate boxing scoring. coming into it as an mma guy, i've never understood it, it boggles my mind. i loathe betting the sport and the point fighters in boxing.
i get that it's akin to maybe grinders in mma, etc, totally. it's largely my personal opinion. but yea. i can't stand boxing judging. even if it's due to my own ineptitude and lack of understanding.
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I only caught the last couple rounds of Ward/Kov and I didn't enjoy it after watching all that great MMA all day. I really only bet the big boxing matches like this one. I was on Ward ML and had already resigned myself to losing the bet when the final bell rang. It makes me not want to bet any more than 1u on a single boxing match. It is just way too unpredictable.
i middled this fight so the win was there regardless of the decision but this is an absolutely classic fix.
burt clemens gives rounds 5-11 to ward and then when he sees that its safe to give kovalev round 12 to close out the 113-114 ward win he does just that
i used to think that this was a bad decision but now i believe that this was a robbery
I thought Kovalev won and it was a close fight but a bad decision. That being said, I'm always skeptical about "fix" theories because they are so unspecific and vague. It's always some anonymous "they" or the perpetrators and motives are not even mentioned. Who exactly is supposed to have fixed this? One or more of the promoters? HBO executives? NSAC officials? American gangsters? Russian mafia? Sportsbook owners? And who else is on on it? All three judges? Two of the three? Just one of them? And what's in it for the people who fixed it? Did they bet Ward as a slight favorite and clean up? Why not fix it the other way and make the moderate underdog win and earn more money? How did they get away with it without being obvious? And is it realistic that multiple people in on this could keep their mouths shut about it? There are so many questions with a fix accusation that no one ever can answer.
i middled this fight so the win was there regardless of the decision but this is an absolutely classic fix.
burt clemens gives rounds 5-11 to ward and then when he sees that its safe to give kovalev round 12 to close out the 113-114 ward win he does just that
i used to think that this was a bad decision but now i believe that this was a robbery
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I don't think it was a robbery, imo the fight could've gone either way. Need to rewatch it but I don't think it was a fix or robbery. I had a big bet on SOG but I really thought it was toss up going to the cards I was knew it was gonna be really tight either way.
Only thing that surprised me is that it was a ud, was expecting we'd see a split for either guy.
Despite being a bit nervous about the big bet I really enjoyed watching that fight. Both guys really left it all out there and it made for a fun time. Really looking forward to a possible rematch,these two matchup very well.
Only thing that surprised me is that it was a ud, was expecting we'd see a split for either guy.
Despite being a bit nervous about the big bet I really enjoyed watching that fight. Both guys really left it all out there and it made for a fun time. Really looking forward to a possible rematch,these two matchup very well.
I really want to watch it again when it gets replayed on HBO. I was so tired after the two UFC cards, I may have not been thinking clearly when I wiped out my pre-fight Ward bet with a bigger live bet on Kovalev at -140 in the late middle rounds and then even threw down another unit on Kovalev -3½ points at slight + money after the 12th.
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Fix talk is way off. If you were trying to fix the fight for Ward, why would you not score him close rounds in the first half of the fight so you HAVE to give him all the second half of the fight for him to win a decision? Come on, engage your brain. Kov could have got another KD and then your 'fix' is fucked.
Wouldn't bet on a rematch until I knew who the ref was. Thought Ward got away with a lot but I haven't watched it back yet. Have more issue with the ref than the judging.
Wouldn't bet on a rematch until I knew who the ref was. Thought Ward got away with a lot but I haven't watched it back yet. Have more issue with the ref than the judging.
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Quite like Thomas Stalker -110 versus Craig Evans this week. Most people thought Stalker comfortably won their second meeting (they have drawn twice) and was unlucky not to get it. Which suggests he made the better adjustments from the first fight and should be a clear favourite. Also judges tend to favour the guy who got a bad decision against him in the previous encounter. But I will be covering the draw at +1600 or better.
I'll tail to win 1u. I love the timing of these UK boxing cards in the afternoon for us East Coasters so they always end about 6 or 7 PM when the UFC and other evening cards typically start here.
Thomas Stalker (-115) vs Craig Evans $115.00 for $100.00
Thomas Stalker (-115) vs Craig Evans $115.00 for $100.00
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Lomachenko is a damn beast.
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Def think Lomachenko will win this but never followed Walters. Do you think he can last 12 rounds with Loma?
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I'm gonna tail for a unit. This card is on Boxnation so i will tune in. There's a card on Sky Sports too at the same time but this looks the better card.
clements scorecard and the possibility of kov getting another kd are the reasoning behind the fix theory. fix being that the judges themselves were insured that ward was to win.
clements did not give another round to sergey after round four until round 12 for that very reasoning...he could afford to do so(give sergey the round) since there were going to be no more kds and ward had already won the fight after round 12 on points
the canelo/trout stanley christodolou card, possibly the worst of 2013, is good example of what appeared to happen in the kovalev/ward fight
trout threw and landed twice as many shots as canelo in rounds 1, 5 and 6...only in rounds 10 and 12 did christodolou then decide to give trout rounds when theoretically only a ko would win austin the fight.
regardless, the theory that kovalev scored zero rounds of signifgance(round 12 on clements scorecard being of zero value as ward had already secured the victory on points) by all three judges from round 7 is a robbery.
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wait for the weigh-in, nicholas might be having problems making weight. if he is not drained i like walters here on a live bet hedge, loma himself saying that he might have some problems in the first four rounds. i dont have the link but vasyl said this during an interview with i believe sechbach after he gave his opinion on the ward/kovalev decision.
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Seems to me that typically in boxing the judges do favor accuracy over volume. I Think making your opponent miss is intriguing to judges but I don't actually know how a judge is supposed to score the fight in boxing. I can see an argument for both to some extent.
I had bet Ahmet Patterson against Liam Williams a few months ago at +280 and then the bet was cancelled when the fight got rescheduled for this weekend. Debating whether I want to pull the trigger at +175.
Anyone have thoughts on this one?
I had bet Ahmet Patterson against Liam Williams a few months ago at +280 and then the bet was cancelled when the fight got rescheduled for this weekend. Debating whether I want to pull the trigger at +175.
Anyone have thoughts on this one?
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